Why most prog fans are the most music haters?. |
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Logan
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I found it easy enough to understand and come up with a response, but then I started teaching as an ESL teacher. I've been told here by an eloquent someone that he commonly couldn't understand a word I say. I assumed the problem was more the way I strung together the words, general sentence structure, than understanding the words themselves. I do make typos too often. I feel I have little excuse for not being coherent due to my background, so I would be resistant to judge the communication skills of someone without English as a first language.
I do take issue with the extrapolation that most Prog fans are such haters based on Abel's sample data. I thought it would be good for him to hang around the forums, including General Music Discussions, here more to better glean the wide variety of interests of the local to PA fauna. I wouldn't think that such hatred/loathing/dislike is uncommon, but I would not assume that it is the majority based on my observations. I won't dismiss the idea that it is "most" very easily either. At one time I would see a lot of complaints that so-called Avant-Prog-oriented audiences would hate on Neo-Prog, and I have seen the disdain for Neo-Prog, and I have seen many on the more melodic Prog side dismissing Avant-Prog as just noise and nonsense. I have seen lot of disparaging comments towards metal too in my time here. Especially Dream Theater used to get a lot of stick, as well as the fans of DT. |
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It may be a nonsense thread but his English isn't that bad-- I interpreted it fine, so let's cut the non-English phobia.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who was confused by the poll question.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Pretty much. On top of that it's not even worded in a coherent manner. I don't expect everyone to have perfect English but I could barely figure out what the OP was getting at.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I'm not sure I understand the question but if I think it's asking what I think it is then I say no I disagree. I don't think all non prog is garbage and not all metal either.
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DarksideofAbel
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Yes, I am correct!!!!
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Because your personal experience is reality, correct? No, it is not.
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DP and LZ were definitely proto-metal, and two of the heaviest bands around at the time... legend has it that the term 'heavy metal' was first used by a journalist around 69 or 70 describing their sound as like 'heavy metal falling from the sky'.
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I'm too young to really consider Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin as "metal". I grew up with metal bands of the 80s, or late 70s (Scorpions, Iron Maiden), and compared to those, the classic early "metal" bands will always be more "Hard Rock" to me. Be that as it may, I like them all!
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When it comes to so-called 'metal' I tend to stick with Deep Purple (Mark I and Mark II line ups) and Led Zeppelin who as I recall were embraced by the prog fans back in the day (in the sense they were quality non-commercial sounding bands), and indeed their albums were quite proggy in places. Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep probably should also be included but neither band could I ever get into.
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I like what I like.
Iron Maiden are one of the greatest bands ever The Stranglers are one of the greatest bands ever Black Sabbath are one of the greatest bands ever I don't listen to these bands that much but I respect them Nowadays the metal and alternative scenes are massive and hard for me to grasp. I stick with prog but then that often includes a lot of those things. For instance Turbulence, Wheel and Night Verses have all put out albums this year I like. I'm also listening to The Melts and Andy Jackson on the alternative side of things. Sometimes I may dismiss something because of the vocals but there is a hell of a lot of music out there and my brain is not big enough to deal with everything so I stick to a relatively narrow field.
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I like good music.
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DarksideofAbel
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I don't think so. I had met so many prog fans that hate everything! except jazz and classical.
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What a nonsense thread
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moshkito
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Hi,
I don't think there is as much "dislike" in it all, as we think. There are things out there that have a lot of different sentiments that not many folks that like rock music appreciate, and none of these with the really poor attitude from folks that are into classical music first, and still think of all rock and jazz music, as stuff from the streets, and not meant, or fit, to be considered music. While the streets comment is fair to a point, in the end it shows the illusion that a lot of classical music folks have been under for many years, and specially going back to its history, that it was an "entertainment" for the higher classes, and not meant for the street folk. I suppose this is very visible, at first, in Mozart, that ended up adding bits and pieces of his bar stuff into many of his works, specially the operas, and helping make them a bit more entertaining, which was an attitude for the bars, a lot more than the stuffed up court rooms and the halls of the higher/richer class. But hearing a maestro say (6 years ago!!!) ... who is Frank Zappa? I might as well have said ... and who the fudge gives a damn about your symphony? And do you care? .... I don't find "prog", "progressive" folks that bad at all ...
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I also love U2 and The Police.
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I love a lot of different music, but it's time-oriented (1960-70s)., including a lot of non-prog stuff, but for me, a little bit of prog goes a LONG way. I do think that proggers have better self-awareness than the average music listener and know what they like and might be able to express it better than others, hence, being able to find what you like. I'd also add that music fans who sign up for message boards probably love music a LOT more than the average listener.
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Logan
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I don't believe that "prog fans are the most music haters". Prog as a form can embrace and create fusions with any style of music. The Prog umbrella is very diverse and its relations are huge. In PA we find artists/bands that fall into pop stylings, metal, alternative... that can be described in any of those ways. David Bowie and Kate Bush are two much loved by many in PA that I would refer to as pop (or art pop), and I generally love their most popular music.
I don't interact with "Proggers" outside of this forum, and I have had some friends into some of it, so my experience is limited. My friends were into diverse music. If you look to General Music Discussions one can see the diversity of appreciation from many into Prog, and considering how diverse Prog can be, this is to be expected by me. Art Pop is a favourite designation of mine, and I love much music both considered alternative and pop that is in and out of PA. As for metal, i tend to be more into the early classic heavy metal (before metal proper one might say), as well as stoner and doom, but there is much more extreme metal that I enjoy. |
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Not sure I completely understand what's going on here, but I completely disagree that prog fans are haters of metal, pop, and alternative. There have been many conversations on this forum of non-prog and prog-adjacent genres and I think for the most part, most of us have given these genres their due respect. My favorite senate is frosted mini-wheats.
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