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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 10:24 |
King By-Tor wrote:
So it balances out the people who give a 5 to everything they sort of like.
Besides, lets all remember that normal members don't really affect the algorithm all that much and collabs are usually more respectful than that.
I really didn't like Kayo Dot's BLD, does that mean I can't review it because I don't like minimalistic avant music? I'm not going to go and bash all their albums without hearing them, but if I have a negative opinion I should be able to express it.
If you like a band who's style isn't for everyone then just get ready for the criticism. What's also funny is how personal people take reviews for music that they like. It isn't YOUR album. Get over it.
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I love it when people slam the music I listen to and like. Remember the reviews that Spinal Tap's Shark Sandwich got. "sh*t Sandwich" said one reviewer. Or " Intravenus de Milo. " The cover is an indication of the lack of musical invention within. The musical growth rate ofthe band canot even be charted - they are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry". They were devastated and confused. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall watching Uriah Heep's reactions while reading some of their early reviews. My guess is that they really didn't give a cuss because they were raking it in. ( I know the Tap albums were fictional albums ) And, I'm still not normal either. This I checked when I rolled out of bed this morning after listening to Love Beach backwards at 78 RPM 5 times.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - April 08 2011 at 10:35
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frippism
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 09:57 |
ShW1 wrote:
"stop reviewint etc":
In my opinion, there are two conditions for posting a good, relaible review, or rating:
1 - listening to an album at least 4 times. Even album you dislike.
2 - The album should be ligally perchased. as CD, MP3, or any other format.
If one person DL an album from I-dont-know-where, listened to it bearly once, doing other things while listening and not fully concentrated, and than say 'yauchhhk, what a disgusting album', and than send a review/rating, well I dont think it's reliable.
Indeed, these two terms are biased the ratings up a bit, but I prefere this situation than annoying case as described by the OP.
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Definitely agree, especially with you signature
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Dean
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 09:05 |
Negoba wrote:
He had all that time to work on skills, why shouldn't you complain? |
...the line was busy.
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Dean
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 09:04 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course). |
Reviewing an album obtained illegally is distasteful and disrespectful in my opinion, regardless of the rating it's given.
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For the first time ever (I think) Dean...I disagree with you. |
I don't expect many people here to agree with me on this, I have a very polarised opinion. To me it's like phoning a cuckold husband to complain that his wife is too passive in bed. |
But as long as the source of the music is not known, what difference does it make? |
Amorally, none at all. I'm not amoral.
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Negoba
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 08:40 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course). |
Reviewing an album obtained illegally is distasteful and disrespectful in my opinion, regardless of the rating it's given.
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For the first time ever (I think) Dean...I disagree with you. |
I don't expect many people here to agree with me on this, I have a very polarised opinion. To me it's like phoning a cuckold husband to complain that his wife is too passive in bed. |
He had all that time to work on skills, why shouldn't you complain?
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 08:39 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course). |
Reviewing an album obtained illegally is distasteful and disrespectful in my opinion, regardless of the rating it's given.
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For the first time ever (I think) Dean...I disagree with you. |
I don't expect many people here to agree with me on this, I have a very polarised opinion. To me it's like phoning a cuckold husband to complain that his wife is too passive in bed. |
But as long as the source of the music is not known, what difference does it make?
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Dean
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 08:36 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course). |
Reviewing an album obtained illegally is distasteful and disrespectful in my opinion, regardless of the rating it's given.
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For the first time ever (I think) Dean...I disagree with you. |
I don't expect many people here to agree with me on this, I have a very polarised opinion. To me it's like phoning a cuckold husband to complain that his wife is too passive in bed.
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What?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 08:14 |
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course). |
Reviewing an album obtained illegally is distasteful and disrespectful in my opinion, regardless of the rating it's given.
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For the first time ever (I think) Dean...I disagree with you.
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Dean
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 08:07 |
someone_else wrote:
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course). |
Reviewing an album obtained illegally is distasteful and disrespectful in my opinion, regardless of the rating it's given.
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What?
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someone_else
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 07:48 |
Chris S wrote:
Maybe we should have a link to rate quality of reviews from 1-5 so people can read/filter their review reading....Maybe we have it already who knows...back to some Steely Dan |
This would require a new type of collab: the Meta Reviewer or something like that. These should be selected preferably from experienced PR's who are (re)tired of reviewing or other PA members who have gained a certain authority by successfully reporting or discussing reviews.
Back to topic: I don't know in what degree the ratings are troubled by liking or disliking of a sub-genre. As far as I have seen, the statistics of prolific reviewers son't show any clear signs of this. And speaking for myself, I wouldn't even dare to review an album from a subgenre for which I have a particular dislike, even if I have time enough to spend on it: I might give a Tech/Extreme Prog Metal classic only one or two stars because my judgment of the genre is troubled.
ShW1 wrote:
"stop reviewint etc":
In my opinion, there are two conditions for posting a good, relaible review, or rating:
1 - listening to an album at least 4 times. Even album you dislike.
2 - The album should be ligally perchased. as CD, MP3, or any other format.
If one person DL an album from I-dont-know-where, listened to it bearly once, doing other things while listening and not fully concentrated, and than say 'yauchhhk, what a disgusting album', and than send a review/rating, well I dont think it's reliable.
Indeed, these two terms are biased the ratings up a bit, but I prefere this situation than annoying case as described by the OP.
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1. Quick ears has the one who is able to write a reliable review after just 4 listens. I would need at least 8.
2. The criterium should be if the album's format is listenable and if the reviewer listens carefully, not the way is it obtained (although a legal way would be fine, of course).
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 06:02 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Why don't we ditch all these genres, many of which are misleading in the first place, and rating system and review the music on it's merits.
I have a few friends who have visited the site who just think it's too damn confusing with all these genres regardless of the explanations.. I have an airline pilot friend who knows freak all about music who says that all these genres just baffle the hell out him so I have to help him with all his goddam dowloading for sh*t to listen to on long flights.
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Ian, if you weren't such a soldier (i'm a bloody pacifist), I'd kiss on the lips (regardless if you're a grumpy 55 year-old male or a 25 year-old female blonde bombshell) for saying this  
I'm not about to redo the debate once more (besides, I saw that Dean was watching   )...
you guys know what I think about this issue 
(hint:  for those who wouldn't know)
Edited by Sean Trane - April 08 2011 at 06:06
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Chris S
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 05:39 |
Maybe we should have a link to rate quality of reviews from 1-5 so people can read/filter their review reading....Maybe we have it already who knows...back to some Steely Dan
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 05:24 |
I made my contribution 2 days ago now it's just keeping alive something that 90% of the posters were pissed off with in the first place anyway
Edited by topographicbroadways - April 08 2011 at 05:24
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 05:23 |
What is this? That' the second time in 2 days I've come across someone bitching about a thread they're personally bored with. Nice contribution, thank you!
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 04:53 |
Oh wow so this thread isn't dead yet. Fantastic
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 04:52 |
I don't usually have a problem with someone giving a negative review to albums I like. I do tend to get slightly annoyed when I feel that such a review is not based on a real evaluation but on either a matter of principle or to prove how different or superior in taste and/or intelligence someone is (the silly buggers).
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ShW1
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 03:16 |
"stop reviewint etc":
In my opinion, there are two conditions for posting a good, relaible review, or rating:
1 - listening to an album at least 4 times. Even album you dislike.
2 - The album should be ligally perchased. as CD, MP3, or any other format.
If one person DL an album from I-dont-know-where, listened to it bearly once, doing other things while listening and not fully concentrated, and than say 'yauchhhk, what a disgusting album', and than send a review/rating, well I dont think it's reliable.
Indeed, these two terms are biased the ratings up a bit, but I prefere this situation than annoying case as described by the OP.
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moshkito
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Posted: April 08 2011 at 00:27 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Well whenever I review an album it's an album that I've neen listening to for a while and am familiar with. Not like those gits from Rolling stone who probably listen to the amazon sampler and then go for the jugular. I saw quite a few Rolling Stone reviews back in the seventies and eighties where I was 100% sure they hadn't listened to the thing at all!. ... |
That magazine could never be said to be about journalism. It was about stars and how to seduce them to milk more fame for the magazine. Their greatest achievement is that they ended up getting a couple of photographers that became very good and helped the magazine get inspired. However, I would never compare Annie's photography to most of the crap and words that the magazine continues to use after all these years ... it has never been about the music or the art ... it's always something else!
Well, some liked Gonzo, but really ... he was no different than a West Coast Mr. Nekkid Lunch, with the exception that we should call this one Mr. Stoned Lunch! Wasn't quite literature for me ... or that interesting for that matter ... but some people thought it was far out ... until they saw a film ... and realized ... hmmmm ... maybe it wasn't that big a deal after all!
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frippism
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Posted: April 07 2011 at 23:06 |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 07 2011 at 17:28 |
frippism wrote:
Dude, this is prog, it's not fun, it's intellectual |
Oh my f**king god  You have to be kidding me.
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