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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 06:29
you drive us on deep waters, but i like to swim on deep waters. in key transpositions, in my layman's opinion (I used to play violin and guitar, however), beatles or yes were masters (not only in major and minor ones). Yes in addition used in a magnificient way a contrapunct, but that would be for the new topic enough. I absolutely agree that individual keys have they own mood and character. But of course, for the layman's ears it is hard to differentiate between e.g. D and A or C when just listening. Sometimes when you try to play it, you find that the song is not that complicated as you had thought before. But it is a genius, to make great buildings with the simple stones. By the way, very nice are the fluent transpositions from major to minor or vice versa. just listen 'my room' of VDGG on 'still life'. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 05:39
Try to get the song "Ashes" by Pain of Salvation, in the "Perfect Element I" and the "12:5" albums, and compare both versions. This alone might answer your question...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 22:51
modulating between keys within a song and transposing a song to a different key are two different things.....maybe im misunderstanding you though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 22:43
hard to say.. i've come up with a few different songs, ones that to me and some of my friends whom i have shown these to sound quite emotional. in the process of writing them, i jumped around to different keys to facilitate the chord changes on the fingerboard of my guitar, and i didnt think the songs lost any of their feeling in that..

mind you, this is just one example of this, so there may be other factors such as the harmony or counterpoint of a song, mixed with the key that stimulates our brains to feel a certain way upon hearing these pieces of music, so i dont really know for sure
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 22:27

Originally posted by hopelevre hopelevre wrote:

iwas thinking about requiems and this question came to mind.....the different keys are widely thought to have their own certain character or flavor(C major-triumphant, A flat major- key of the grave/ solemn , etc.).....i was wondering if you can think of any instances in prog or elsewhere(i would assume it would be in prog if it were anywhere), where the key of a really famous work of one of the greats( something most people would recognize if hearing, like the waltz from carmen or the sweet pathos in beethoven's 5th)is transposed to such a distant(different) key that the mood or tone of the song itself actually changes....i guess what im getting at as well would be this....every song can be transposed into every key, how much if at all does a key transposition really affect the way we hear a song? is the intervallic symmetry enough that the song remains the same song, or is some internal characteristic lost by this frequency change?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 18:34
Very, very interesting question... By changing the key of the song, is it affected intrinsically, or is it the same song? Well, it will, no doubt, be the same song. But there could be a slight mood change. I mean, I play the piano, and I've played things in different keys, with minimal change to the song. I don't see the song changing all that much. But perhaps, like every other topic in prog, this might just be opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 18:20
iwas thinking about requiems and this question came to mind.....the different keys are widely thought to have their own certain character or flavor(C major-triumphant, A flat major- key of the grave/ solemn , etc.).....i was wondering if you can think of any instances in prog or elsewhere(i would assume it would be in prog if it were anywhere), where the key of a really famous work of one of the greats( something most people would recognize if hearing, like the waltz from carmen or the sweet pathos in beethoven's 5th)is transposed to such a distant(different) key that the mood or tone of the song itself actually changes....i guess what im getting at as well would be this....every song can be transposed into every key, how much if at all does a key transposition really affect the way we hear a song? is the intervallic symmetry enough that the song remains the same song, or is some internal characteristic lost by this frequency change?
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