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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 17:20 |
Trick of the Tail. Like most of you have said, more good songs and an overall better constructed album. WAW is still good, just not as good.
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Rick4001
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:46 |
You guys really like to push people into tight corners! "Close to the Edge" or "Relayer", now it's TOTT or WAW. Both are absolutely brilliant. ..but to cut it really short (I could go on for days) my vote goes to WAW. It was the Genesis album that took longest for me to get used to, but then I've never looked back. The array of vibes and moods is just fantastic, one can really feel that Hackett left his mark on this album, possibly more than any other with Genesis. Even "Your Own Special Way" has its moments although I agree it is the "weakest" point in the whole album.
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Cluster One
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:22 |
Whereas I think Trick is a 'better' sounding album, and a much more
significant 'accomplishment' post-Gabriel, my preferred album is
Wind.
Rainy day...cup of coffee...fire's on...Wind & Wuthering...
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Johnik(Genesis)
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Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Ukraine
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:15 |
I vote for A trick of the tail
At me is bootleg A Trick Of The Outtakes &nbs p; 2004 (75)
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Moribund
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Joined: March 21 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:38 |
Easy one for me - Trick of the Tail. Perfect throughout. Wind has a rather 'thin' sound to the production which predicted the more digital glossy shine of the 80's (much to the detriment of recorded music in my opinion). Hints at a more commercial future which only becomes apparent with the release of subsequent albums. England/Lamb/Trick is Genesis's artistic plateau for me. Of course, One For the Vine, Blood on the Rooftops and Afterglow go a long way to make up the balance...
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Man Erg
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Joined: August 26 2004
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:24 |
ATOTT
I'd prefer a mixture of both. A Trick of the Wind maybe.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:10 |
Hardd question for some, but easy for me, lets see the reasons:
- A Trick of the Tail: A very transitional album, very friendly, less atmospheric and mysterious than early Genesis, but closer to Selling England by the Pound which is not one of my favorites. The lyrics are very poetic but somehow remind me of fairy tales, too soft for my taste and Phil tries sohard to sound like Gabriel that annoys me. Good but not excellent.
- Wind & Wuthering: A return to the roots, closer to Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme than to SEBTP or The Lamb (Nothing is close to The Lamb because it's unique in Genesis career), very atmospheric, dark and a bit mysterious, even the lyrics are oriented towards History (Eleventh Earl of Mar), Revolutions (One for the Vine) and Sarcastics like All in a Mouse Night. Steve collaborated with this albums as no other before. Despite Your Own Special Way W&W is almost a Gabriel era album without Gabriel.
So my vote goes for Wind & Wuthering.
Iván
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:08 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
Even if One for the vine and Afterglow are great track, my vot goes for Trick of the tail. I think there's not a weak track, and Mad man moon, Ripples and etangled are fantastic song. WAW is great, but there's too many track I don't care like Wot Gorilla, Your own special way and the instrumental song are just ok...nothing more. |
Yes I think there was a bit of an argument about what songs to include......The ones that didnt make it ended up on the "Spot the Pigeon" EP. I feel that Inside and out should have been on there tho.
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bumheed7
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:07 |
trick of the tail by a country mile. i never really got into wind and
wuthering. seconds out definitely raises the appeal of ATOTT.
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maani
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Joined: January 30 2004
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:07 |
Blacksword:
I agree re the amazing "sound" of W&W, which they were able to re-produce on most of ATTWT. Indeed, I have noted elsewhere, in reviews and threads, that the overall "sound" that Genesis developed on W&W and ATTWT is among the most influential "sounds" used in neo-prog and later. And it shows up not only in English and American prog (where it is rampant), but across the board - in Italian, Scandinavian, European, even South American prog.
Peace.
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:05 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes-Fan wrote:
I still can decide which I like more. |
Well neither can I then Two completely different albums which I like equally depending on my mood
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RIGHT!!! Made my mind up!!!! (who cares I hear you cry) Its A Trick Of The Tail for me.....*sings* oh they got no horns and they got no tails, they dont even know of our existence........Think I saw them do that on Top Of THe Pops (did I?) Anyway I think its a far more consistent and atmospheric album.
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OldFatherThames
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Joined: April 02 2005
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:02 |
Even if One for the vine and Afterglow are great track, my vot goes for Trick of the tail. I think there's not a weak track, and Mad man moon, Ripples and etangled are fantastic song. WAW is great, but there's too many track I don't care like Wot Gorilla, Your own special way and the instrumental song are just ok...nothing more.
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:51 |
maani wrote:
That is definitely one of the most difficult choices I have ever been given. Ultimately, my choice has to be "sentimental" rather than musical, so W&W it is. There is just something about that album - something about the overall "sound" and "feeling" - that sets it apart from every other Genesis album.
Peace.
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It is unique in 'sound' and 'feel' as you say. I remember the first time I heard that album I had to double check the date of the release on the sleeve notes. It did not sound like an album produced in 1977!! Way ahead of its time. It's also Tony Banks' finest hour IMO. One for the Vine took him a year to write, and it took me a year to get into. Now when I hear it, it always moves me.
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maani
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:31 |
That is definitely one of the most difficult choices I have ever been given. Ultimately, my choice has to be "sentimental" rather than musical, so W&W it is. There is just something about that album - something about the overall "sound" and "feeling" - that sets it apart from every other Genesis album.
Peace.
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Vegetableman
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Joined: August 27 2004
Location: United States
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:19 |
Another one for A TRICK OF THE TAIL
While Wind & Wuthering may have had the best song in between the
two of them (One For The Vine), A Trick of the Tail is overall much
more solid, IMO. Dance On A Volcano, Entangled, Squonk, Mad Man Moon,
Ripples, Los Endos... that's a hard combination to beat.
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Miaugion
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:41 |
Both are stunning but I prefer Wind & Wuthering since it's their most atmospheric album ever IMO.
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:58 |
Yes-Fan wrote:
I still can decide which I like more. |
Well neither can I then Two completely different albums which I like equally depending on my mood
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:14 |
WAW would have been flawless IMO if it had not been for 'Your own special way' which I thought was innapropriate for the album, and Wot Gorilla which was a time waster. Steve Hackett had his song 'Please dont touch' rejected by the band. They thought Wot Gorilla was better I guess they were trying to make Hackett quit at that point.
ATOTT could have done without the title track IMO, and I wouldn't have been hearbroken if 'Robbery Assault & Battery' had been left off either. Apart from those weak moments I think both albums are superb.
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Jim Prog Wizard
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Joined: December 23 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 06:41 |
W&W also has "Afterglow", which is one of my favourite Genesis tracks. The second half of the album ("Blood..." onwards) is flawless, but the first half is somewhat inconsistent IMO.
TotT only has one track I dislike, namely the poppy title cut, but the rest are great. Especially "Entangled", which I genuinely believe to be one of the best songs ever written.
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