Trick Of The Tail Or Wind & Wuthering
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Topic: Trick Of The Tail Or Wind & Wuthering
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Trick Of The Tail Or Wind & Wuthering
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 02:32
| I still cant decide which I like more. |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 02:34
| I think Wind & Wuthering takes my vote actually. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 04:00
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My preference changes. I would havwe voted Trick without any hesitation a few years back, but I have since re-appraised WAW. Both are very strong albums, and in some ways WAW is more 'progressive' than ATOTT. It has more 'epic' tracks for a start, but also only has musically weak track IMO (Your own special way) Even the lyrically terrible 'All in a mouses night' is good instrumentally. The production is years ahead of its time and the performances are superb. ATOTT, is beautifully produced and has this wonderful melancholic and mysterious feel. It also has 'Dance on a volcano' and Los Endos' Two of the greatest Genesis songs of all time Trick wins, I guess, and gets my vote. Partly because of the respect I have for the band producing such a good album under the pressure of losing Gabriel. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 04:23
| Wind & Wuthering has more Hackett-touch and is IMHO slightly better for that reason. But, yes Blacksword, it makes sense to vote Trick for that pressure thing. |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 05:14
| TotT, no doubt. The only post gabriel album that is as brilliant as its predecessors. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 06:31
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I voted WAW only because I dont really like "Your Own Special Way". on
TOTT I was never to fond of "Ripples" and "Squonk". 1 beats 2. I guess those 2 songs reminded me to much of non-hackett era Genesis. Duke, Abacab, etc. I Do think that One Of the reasons I picked WAW was because of the 2 great instrumental tracks,"Wot Gorilla?" and "...In That Quiet Earth". "Los Endos" off of TOTT is very similar to these I think. |
Posted By: Jim Prog Wizard
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 06:41
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W&W also has "Afterglow", which is one of my favourite Genesis tracks. The second half of the album ("Blood..." onwards) is flawless, but the first half is somewhat inconsistent IMO. TotT only has one track I dislike, namely the poppy title cut, but the rest are great. Especially "Entangled", which I genuinely believe to be one of the best songs ever written. ------------- "Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:14
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WAW would have been flawless IMO if it had not been for 'Your own special way' which I thought was innapropriate for the album, and Wot Gorilla which was a time waster. Steve Hackett had his song 'Please dont touch' rejected by the band. They thought Wot Gorilla was better ATOTT could have done without the title track IMO, and I wouldn't have been hearbroken if 'Robbery Assault & Battery' had been left off either. Apart from those weak moments I think both albums are superb. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:58
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Well neither can I then ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Yes-Fan wrote:
Two completely different albums which I like equally depending on my moodPosted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:39
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Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:41
Both are stunning but I prefer Wind & Wuthering since it's their most atmospheric album ever IMO.  ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: Vegetableman
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:19
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Another one for A TRICK OF THE TAIL
------------- "Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?" "Progressive.... yeah, that's it..." |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:31
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That is definitely one of the most difficult choices I have ever been given. Ultimately, my choice has to be "sentimental" rather than musical, so W&W it is. There is just something about that album - something about the overall "sound" and "feeling" - that sets it apart from every other Genesis album. Peace. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:51
It is unique in 'sound' and 'feel' as you say. I remember the first time I heard that album I had to double check the date of the release on the sleeve notes. It did not sound like an album produced in 1977!! Way ahead of its time. It's also Tony Banks' finest hour IMO. One for the Vine took him a year to write, and it took me a year to get into. Now when I hear it, it always moves me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:02
| Even if One for the vine and Afterglow are great track, my vot goes for Trick of the tail. I think there's not a weak track, and Mad man moon, Ripples and etangled are fantastic song. WAW is great, but there's too many track I don't care like Wot Gorilla, Your own special way and the instrumental song are just ok...nothing more. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:05
RIGHT!!! Made my mind up!!!! (who cares I hear you cry) Its A Trick Of The Tail for me.....*sings* oh they got no horns and they got no tails, they dont even know of our existence........Think I saw them do that on Top Of THe Pops (did I?) Anyway I think its a far more consistent and atmospheric album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:07
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Blacksword: I agree re the amazing "sound" of W&W, which they were able to re-produce on most of ATTWT. Indeed, I have noted elsewhere, in reviews and threads, that the overall "sound" that Genesis developed on W&W and ATTWT is among the most influential "sounds" used in neo-prog and later. And it shows up not only in English and American prog (where it is rampant), but across the board - in Italian, Scandinavian, European, even South American prog. Peace. |
Posted By: bumheed7
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:07
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trick of the tail by a country mile. i never really got into wind and
wuthering. seconds out definitely raises the appeal of ATOTT.
------------- Good Morning Carpark Fans 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:08
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Yes I think there was a bit of an argument about what songs to include......The ones that didnt make it ended up on the "Spot the Pigeon" EP. I feel that Inside and out should have been on there tho. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:10
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Hardd question for some, but easy for me, lets see the reasons:
So my vote goes for Wind & Wuthering. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:24
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ATOTT I'd prefer a mixture of both. A Trick of the Wind maybe.  ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Moribund
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:38
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Easy one for me - Trick of the Tail. Perfect throughout. Wind has a rather 'thin' sound to the production which predicted the more digital glossy shine of the 80's (much to the detriment of recorded music in my opinion). Hints at a more commercial future which only becomes apparent with the release of subsequent albums. England/Lamb/Trick is Genesis's artistic plateau for me. Of course, One For the Vine, Blood on the Rooftops and Afterglow go a long way to make up the balance... ------------- New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres! www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk |
Posted By: Johnik(Genesis)
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:15
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I vote for A trick of the tail
At me is bootleg A Trick Of The Outtakes &nbs p; 2004 (75) supper!!!  ------------- I know only Russian. Apologies for bad English. I translate by means of the computer program |
Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:22
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Whereas I think Trick is a 'better' sounding album, and a much more
significant 'accomplishment' post-Gabriel, my preferred album is
Wind. Rainy day...cup of coffee...fire's on...Wind & Wuthering...  ------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: Rick4001
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:46
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You guys really like to push people into tight corners! "Close to the Edge" or "Relayer", now it's TOTT or WAW. Both are absolutely brilliant. ..but to cut it really short (I could go on for days) my vote goes to WAW. It was the Genesis album that took longest for me to get used to, but then I've never looked back. The array of vibes and moods is just fantastic, one can really feel that Hackett left his mark on this album, possibly more than any other with Genesis. Even "Your Own Special Way" has its moments although I agree it is the "weakest" point in the whole album. ------------- "...seems Helen of Troy has found a new face, again ..." |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 17:20
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Trick of the Tail. Like most of you have said, more good songs and an overall better constructed album. WAW is still good, just not as good. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 19:57
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I've only really heard Trick of the Tail, and I like it a lot, so that's what I voted for...I have yet to pick up Wind & Wuthering! ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 20:16
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Trick of the Tail is the only post Gabriel album up to par with anything done before, but still pales in comparison to the best Gabriel Genesis. Wind and Wuthering feels a bit lacking. Trick of the Tail is exactly what they should have been doing without Gabriel. More simplified, but still excellent. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 20:22
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I go for Trick of the Tail. That is one amazing album .
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Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 16:19
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I voice to the wind&wuthering cause each song here is unforgotable masterpiece. ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:45
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A trick of the tail is better, because of the terrible "Your own special way" on Wind and wuthering. With that song Phil Collins started to slowely kill all good music. He finally completed this terrible crime when he released he's second solo-album |
. No single person has done so much damage for so many people in the music industry ever! Phil Collins: born in 1971, died in 1981
May God forgive him, I won't
.Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:54
| I voted for Wind & Wuthering. There are some songs on TOTT that I consider average!!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 19:03
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No, you don't. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 19:04
Me neither. ------------- 
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Posted By: gleam
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 19:18
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Close call but I think "Trick" edges out "Wind". "Squonk" and "Robbery" are a lot of fun.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 19:18
Hehehe..well, we can't disagree in everything..hahaha |
Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 20:59
LOL! What a stack of sausage water ... "Your Own Special Way" was written by Mr Michael Rutherford. ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 05:38
Seriously, I consider the songs 'man mad moon' & 'trick of the tail' poorly written songs. The rest of the album is faultless though! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 06:34
| It's really not an easy choice, so it's a good poll. I voted for Trick, because it has no weak tracks on it. And not only that, but Dance On A Volcano, Entangled, Mad Man Moon, Ripples and Los Endos are some of the best tracks Genesis ever made. Still, I have to say, as years go by, my admiration for WAW grows, and I can see I'm not the only one. Especially Eleventh Earl Of Mar and One For The Vine are tracks that still move me, and the sound of the album in it's entirety is much more " open" than Trick's, but no, it has to be Trick, the yellow masterpiece. More variety, more classic tracks, and no weak spots. |
Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 06:40
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has to be Trick for me just because it in my ears is a more complete album! ------------- "The Beautiful Ally Of Your Own Gravediggers" www.gloryscene.co.uk |
Posted By: Yurkspb
Date Posted: May 11 2005 at 07:23
| My vote is for WAW because 3 sondgs are among the best of the whole Genesis - One for the Vine, Blood on the rooftops, Afterglow. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 11 2005 at 10:57
It really is a tough one, it depends on the mood I'm in, but for this poll, I have voted for TOTT, if only for Dance On A Volcano & Los Endos. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: ProgressiveRock
Date Posted: May 11 2005 at 15:13
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It is very hard to decide,because both TotT and WAW are very good. The beginning of Dance on Volcano is according my opinion one of the best song beginnings at all. But due to Blood and afterglow I vote for WAW. ------------- This world is totally fugazi. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 17 2005 at 23:17
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thick as a tail! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 02:43
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I cannot make a definite decision, either! ATOTT had more inspired compositions but WAW had much better sound quality and production. With the notable exception of "Watcher of the Skies" and maybe a couple parts of Selling England [...] I think Genesis were much improved after Peter Gabriel left. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 17:53
| Trick of the Tail. Except One for the Vine, I think most songs on W&W are weak. And TotT got such great songs as Etangled, Ripples, Los Endos, etc... |