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Lost Follower 
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 Posted: December 13 2008 at 17:41 |
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Dreadfully self indulgent and no balls at all.
Well you did ask.
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Progger
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 12:33 |
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'TORMATO' is a great prog album!
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 00:12 |
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I wouldn't call Benoit David, personally, a debacle--he's gifted. Perhaps you mean the politics of the tour relative to Jon and Chris (same old, same old. . .)
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Isengard
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Posted: December 12 2008 at 13:48 |
Other than the Benoit David debacle, Yes have been and always will be a favorite of mine.
Not much else I can add that hasn't already been said.
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peskypesky
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Posted: December 12 2008 at 09:53 |
Well, I love "Tormato" and I do consider it a great prog album. Definitely. There's not a song on it that I don't like and there are several that I absolutely love.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Squire's bass sound, Rick's keyboard sound and some of the overly-fey songs ("Circus Of Heaven", "Arriving UFO"), but those things have never bothered me. I love the mix of delicate beauty ("Onward", "Madrigal") with hard-rocking riffage ("Don't Kill the Whale", "On The Silent Wings of Freedom").
I also love "Topographic Oceans", so I guess that makes me a true Yesfreak.
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prog4evr
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Posted: December 12 2008 at 03:32 |
 Jaja Macca wrote:
Thanks, guys. 
You are really good friends. I will stay in the Forum by the way.
And... let's go talking about Yes and Prog sound???  |
Definitely! Definitely, Yes came up with its own Prog Sound. One of the classic sounds is Steve Howe on the electric steel guitar (through an echoplex, of course!) "And You and I" on CTTE and "Gates of Delirium" on Relayer stand out as the best use of electric steel guitar - EVER! The steel guitar was not created for country-western music; instead, it was created for Howe to give us great, creative solos on those classic prog songs!
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Progger
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 00:17 |
The best prog band ever...period. Their skill is only what most bands can only aspire to. The most consistent band known to man & not one 'duff' album until Union.
There, you have it!
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 09 2008 at 18:00 |
bassman4 wrote:
cacho wrote:
^I disagree. Yes would have defunct surely with the original line-up just listen to Tormato, the last one with the original line-up before the "drastic" change. It's not their worst, but it's by no means a good Prog album, they were lacking of ideas, and therefore released Drama with Buggles members and that was a really good album with a different sound, but by miles much better than Tormato, it had original ideas and good blend of New Wave and Prog.
Also check Union, the original line-up including BRUFORD, you should have expected another CTTE or other of the like, but no you have Big Generator mixed up with some really lazy stuff. I know the problem with the producer, still they weren't able to release any strong effort since GFTO. Magnification doesn't has Rick Wakeman, so for you it doesn't count.
Oh and BTW, it's not nice to change of subject promoting your inclusion of a band that has been rejected many times.
And something else, it wasn't Collins who destroyed the original Genesis sound. The 3 of them had participation to make a Pop band, Mike Rutherford writing one of the first pop singles from Genesis, Your Own Special Way. Rutherford also wrote many other singles, which that leads that Collins himself didn't ruin Genesis. I also think that the word 'destroy' isn't a good way of expressing something of a band sound.
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Ok How can you say Tormato was not a good prog album ? Are you not listening to the awesome effects on the bass ? This is oozing with prog! I love On The Silent Wings Of Freedom , and Release Release !
I listen to the whole record . What is it about this record that prog fans don't get ?
and ,Drama is also a great record ! I would rather listen to both of those instead of Topagraphic Ocean
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I can't think of anybody saying Tormato is a "good prog album", that doesn't mean people don't like it. But in general the keys from Rick are terrible, Jon's voice isn't at his best, Steve's guitar is quite sloppy and Chris's bass is nothing more than weak, except On the Silent Wings of Freedom and the first track. BTW, I love Drama. Chris' bass is awesome as well as Steve's guitar. Tales from Topographic Oceans is a love/hate album. I love it.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: December 09 2008 at 17:50 |
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I used to be addicted to Yes. They were my first intro to prog. Now I've moved on a little bit, but I still listen to the epics such as Close To The Edge, And You And I and Gates Of Delirium. There is just so much packed into them that it will take a good few decades to get bored. I really like the song In The Presence Of as well, very underrated for some strange reason.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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openair83
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:03 |
Damn, this post has caused a lot of $#!+. Nonetheless...
Never paid attention 'til The Yes Album, which is fantastic. Still don't like to the first 2 albums. Fragile and CTTE are good albums. Yessongs is pretty decent for a live album. I think TOTO is a bit much for me to take in at one listen although it's my favorite, lyrically. Relayer is a great album, but GFTO remains my favorite, and most listened to, album. Tormato has one good tune (so I don't pay too much attention to it). Drama, though a good listen, is really just pre-Asia to me. Don't know how y'all feel about 90125, but personally, I really dig it. Other than Keystory (which I love) and Magnification (which I tolerate), that's about it for me on Yes.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 06 2008 at 10:03 |
Haven't got beyond Relayer so far, on the basis of that, Fragile is my favourite Yes album. South Side of The Sky is my favourite Yes song, so no surprises there . A very balanced band, so balanced I can't pick a favourite member which I can usually do with the other bands, say Hackett for Genesis, Hammil for VDGG, Thjis Van Leer for Focus and so on. A wonderful blend of accessibility and complexity; they are really not a difficult band to get into unless you start with Relayer or TFTO  and yet there's so much to discover with repeated listening to the albums.
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bassman4
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 22:32 |
cacho wrote:
^I disagree. Yes would have defunct surely with the original line-up just listen to Tormato, the last one with the original line-up before the "drastic" change. It's not their worst, but it's by no means a good Prog album, they were lacking of ideas, and therefore released Drama with Buggles members and that was a really good album with a different sound, but by miles much better than Tormato, it had original ideas and good blend of New Wave and Prog.
Also check Union, the original line-up including BRUFORD, you should have expected another CTTE or other of the like, but no you have Big Generator mixed up with some really lazy stuff. I know the problem with the producer, still they weren't able to release any strong effort since GFTO. Magnification doesn't has Rick Wakeman, so for you it doesn't count.
Oh and BTW, it's not nice to change of subject promoting your inclusion of a band that has been rejected many times.
And something else, it wasn't Collins who destroyed the original Genesis sound. The 3 of them had participation to make a Pop band, Mike Rutherford writing one of the first pop singles from Genesis, Your Own Special Way. Rutherford also wrote many other singles, which that leads that Collins himself didn't ruin Genesis. I also think that the word 'destroy' isn't a good way of expressing something of a band sound.
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Ok How can you say Tormato was not a good prog album ? Are you not listening to the awesome effects on the bass ? This is oozing with prog! I love On The Silent Wings Of Freedom , and Release Release ! I listen to the whole record . What is it about this record that prog fans don't get ? and ,Drama is also a great record ! I would rather listen to both of those instead of Topagraphic Ocean
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Jaja Macca
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 20:43 |
Well.
Yes is my favorite band. They have the best musicians (except the drummer), best composers, best albums mainly Yes Album, Close To The Edge, Tales and Relayer.
IMO I see The Rabin Era as other group, called Cinema. I love the records too. Different, but very, very good!
The Howe Return Era, has the only album that I dont like: Open Your Eyes. I can't believe how they made an album so weak... And I'm not a big fan od The Ladder. I made a Greatest hits of this Era in my Ipod, with the first music of this album and the best of Keystudio and Magnification. It works very well.
Now we have this fight between Band and Anderson. I think that they hardly play together again. But... let's believe....
Edited by Jaja Macca - December 05 2008 at 20:44
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 16:41 |
cacho wrote:
^Yes would have defunct surely with the original line-up just listen to Tormato, the last one with the original line-up before the "drastic" change. It's not their worst, but it's by no means a good Prog album, they were lacking of ideas.
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Not to mention the stuff that Roy Thomas Baker produced at the Paris sessions in '79, included on the remastered Tormato CD as bonus tracks (although they're so bad I refer to them as "bone-us")
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chopper
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 07:53 |
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I agree, both Rabin and Collins couldn't have changed the sound of their respective bands without the agreement of the other members. Rabin originally joined a band called "Cinema" and it was only when Anderson was brought in that they became Yes again, so you can't really blame him for that.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 07:00 |
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^I disagree. Yes would have defunct surely with the original line-up just listen to Tormato, the last one with the original line-up before the "drastic" change. It's not their worst, but it's by no means a good Prog album, they were lacking of ideas, and therefore released Drama with Buggles members and that was a really good album with a different sound, but by miles much better than Tormato, it had original ideas and good blend of New Wave and Prog.
Also check Union, the original line-up including BRUFORD, you should have expected another CTTE or other of the like, but no you have Big Generator mixed up with some really lazy stuff. I know the problem with the producer, still they weren't able to release any strong effort since GFTO. Magnification doesn't has Rick Wakeman, so for you it doesn't count.
Oh and BTW, it's not nice to change of subject promoting your inclusion of a band that has been rejected many times.
And something else, it wasn't Collins who destroyed the original Genesis sound. The 3 of them had participation to make a Pop band, Mike Rutherford writing one of the first pop singles from Genesis, Your Own Special Way. Rutherford also wrote many other singles, which that leads that Collins himself didn't ruin Genesis. I also think that the word 'destroy' isn't a good way of expressing something of a band sound.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 01:43 |
Yes, Rabin took Yes to the Grammy's but Yes was forever changed. I doubt that Yes would have become defunct if they kept their original sound - they were too strong musically. The 80's were a different time and to survive you have to make money and thus the mainstream / commercial track becomes a very viable and attractive option. Would you argue that that's why Collins destroyed the original Genesis sound?
I was watching an interview with Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater where he rabidly stated that he and the rest of Dream Theater would never let the mainstream commercial machine interfere with the band or its music - and they haven't. Music is either an art form or it is a bubblegum, teen, money making machine. I find no art whatsoever in what artists like Kylie Minogue and the "Pop Idol" crowd do.
Where music is art then I categorise it as being progressive and hence my continued argument for the inclusion of Stratovarius on this site. There's nothing pop about what they did.
Jaja - if you can get a listen in on either of the Elements albums by Stratovarius then do so - you will enjoy them.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: December 04 2008 at 19:18 |
Yes is also my favorite. Even though some of the albums don't rank, as Cacho feels, there's something good on all of them (just on some, more stuff sucks than is good!)
I also feel inclined to stick up for Rabin, who I feel saved the band from going under. The '80's were a different time, and Rabin contributed what he had, which happened to resonate way beyond to fans not necessarily into Prog. Howe had split, remember, not been fired, so it was time for Squire to find a replacement. You can argue, I suppose, that the Squire/Rabin/White/Kaye--Jobson lineup should've stuck with Cinema. But with Jon back, it really was Yes--just changed, like they did when Howe himself first joined. Getting wider popularity, and a Grammy to boot, to me, means that Squire could hardly have picked better.
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bassman4
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Posted: December 04 2008 at 18:33 |
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I found Yes in73,I not only love the classics ,but tormato and Drama and ... I am going in 4 days to see them without Jon Anderson. Yes is Great ,so is any portion thereof !
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peskypesky
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Posted: December 04 2008 at 11:15 |
Yes is my favorite prog band. Genesis is second. King Crimson third.
I was raised on Yes back in the 70s and still revere them to this day, even though I am super-pissed at Squire, howe and White for being such jerks to Anderson.
Anyway, they created a LOT of amazing music for a long time.
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