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Ghandi 2 
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 Posted: October 19 2007 at 22:36 |
 Lucent wrote:
puma wrote:
Lucent wrote:
[QUOTE=puma]Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus right winged.
Right wing is a political orientation, dude. It has absolutely nothing to do with music in any way, and basically it will destroy the validity of any argument you try to make from now on.
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It's the same type of thinking is what I'm getting at here.
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No, it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. How does favoring a small government make one close-minded? Gah, internet people are so frustrating.
I know, riley, give me more credit than that. :) I was quoting you because I didn't want to bother finding the original post and I was too lazy to edit it (and it got italicized for some reason).
Edited by Ghandi 2 - October 19 2007 at 22:37
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warwick
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 21:40 |
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I think ELP lyrics are excellent, musicanship is simply awesome, whereas DT lyrics are childish at best and their songs are clichee'd and artificial. Yes is perfection everywhere in their golden period, so let's not even touch them.
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 21:37 |
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convocation
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 17:58 |
Lonely Progger wrote:
"Because DT is obviously a group very much influenced by Yes, and according to wikipedia Emerson's favourite modern group is Dream Theater."
I know this a potentially dangerous topic sorry, with possible very conflicting point of views being expressed.
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 If there's a connection between some Yes and DT, then Vivaldi must have started punk rock. Also, I'm sorry to say that, K Emerson must have been blind drunk and stoned on "acid" when and if he said that. 
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rileydog22
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 17:50 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Lucent wrote:
puma wrote:
Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus right winged.
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Wow, that's deep.
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Right and left winged refer to politics, not being "close-minded." You could argue that it is "conservative" to prefer '70s symph, but that is something different (the terms are politically used intergangably because the right is usually also resistant to change), so calling it "right wing" is just stupid[i/]. It's dangerous to use words when you don't have a full grasp of their meaning. Although saying Dream Theater (or any other group) is twice the band of any '70s group is a stupid thing to say, anyway (regardless of your preferences, saying something like that only demonstrates ignorance), and since they are easily the most popular prog-metal band, I'm not sure how much more "open-minded" it makes you.
That was especially silly since politically most people here are practically bloody Communists. ;-)
I agree that '70s prog is dying, but does that change anything? Traditional Classical music is dead, but I still like it (and I like 20th Century Classical music as well).
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I understand that; I was sarcastically calling Lucent's statement "deep" because of how wrong he was, not because his statement actually had depth or truth.
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Tony R
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 17:44 |
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A thread about ELP and Dream Theater???
It's been relatively civil so far..surprisingly.
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Lucent
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 17:13 |
puma wrote:
Lucent wrote:
[QUOTE=puma]Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day
like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment
towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus
right winged.
Right wing is a political orientation, dude. It has absolutely nothing to do with music in any way, and basically it will destroy the validity of any argument you try to make from now on.
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It's the same type of thinking is what I'm getting at here.
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puma
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 17:09 |
Lucent wrote:
puma wrote:
Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day
like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment
towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus
right winged. |
Right wing is a political orientation, dude. It has absolutely nothing to do with music in any way, and basically it will destroy the validity of any argument you try to make from now on.
Edited by puma - October 20 2007 at 03:12
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 16:50 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Lucent wrote:
puma wrote:
Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus right winged.
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Wow, that's deep.
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Right and left winged refer to politics, not being "close-minded." You could argue that it is "conservative" to prefer '70s symph, but that is something different (the terms are politically used intergangably because the right is usually also resistant to change), so calling it "right wing" is just stupid[i/]. It's dangerous to use words when you don't have a full grasp of their meaning. Although saying Dream Theater (or any other group) is twice the band of any '70s group is a stupid thing to say, anyway (regardless of your preferences, saying something like that only demonstrates ignorance), and since they are easily the most popular prog-metal band, I'm not sure how much more "open-minded" it makes you.
That was especially silly since politically most people here are practically bloody Communists. ;-)
I agree that '70s prog is dying, but does that change anything? Traditional Classical music is dead, but I still like it (and I like 20th Century Classical music as well).
Edited by Ghandi 2 - October 19 2007 at 16:57
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 16:32 |
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Well, I like some Dream Theater stuff but I also find some of their stuff pretty annoying. It's like sometimes they play some really fast solo or whatever for several minutes just to say "look how fast I play", yeah very impressive but I don't enjoy it at all. It doesn't happen to me with ELP for example, but it's just a matter of taste after all.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 16:02 |
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Lucent
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:48 |
darkmatter wrote:
I don't have a problem with you defending someone, but you're taking shots at people here by calling them closed minded, which is untrue.
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You have a point. Sorry :3
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darkmatter
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:45 |
Lucent wrote:
puma wrote:
Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day
like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment
towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus
right winged.
darkmatter wrote:
I don't understand this remark either....
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Explained above.
I love how I come in and defend something, and everyone gets their panties in a knot.
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I don't have a problem with you defending someone, but you're taking shots at people here by calling them closed minded, which is untrue.
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rileydog22
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:41 |
Lucent wrote:
puma wrote:
Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day
like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment
towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus
right winged.
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Wow, that's deep.
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Lucent
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:39 |
puma wrote:
Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day
like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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Right winged in the sense of which there's such a high detestment
towards a certain type of prog over another. It's close minded, thus
right winged.
darkmatter wrote:
I don't understand this remark either....
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Explained above. I love how I come in and defend something, and everyone gets their panties in a knot.
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darkmatter
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:37 |
I don't understand this remark either....
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:36 |
Lucent wrote:
steve j wrote:
I am new around here, and I cannot believe the slating Dream Theater get. I would say, if you cannot say anything positive then move onto the next forum. |
Get used to it, man. Everyone on this forum (probably exception me) is so right winged, it's disgusting. Thank you for being open minded :3 |
Everyone? Right winged?? 
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puma
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:34 |
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Whew, Lucent, good thing you're here, always saving the day like you always do. Come on, man, get over yourself, are you 14?
And how does "right winged" relate to liking Dream Theater?
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darkmatter
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:32 |
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I like Dream Theater too, but don't go around calling people here closed minded. People have different tastes, that's all.
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Lucent
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Posted: October 19 2007 at 15:25 |
steve j wrote:
I am new around here, and I cannot believe the slating Dream Theater get. I would say, if you cannot say anything positive then move onto the next forum. |
Get used to it, man. Everyone on this forum (probably exception me) is so right winged, it's disgusting. Thank you for being open minded :3
Edited by Lucent - October 19 2007 at 15:26
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