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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 14:08
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Give me a break!! LOLLOL


^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related

give me a break....LOLLOL


But, as has been noted already, some people really do consider C&C Prog.  Before I decided to join here (though I was a long-time user of this site), I was familiar with other sites that considered C&C Prog.  When I fist heard them, it was not the kind of music I was expecting at all, and was very disappointed, it wasn't Prog as I knew it... But then I've come to accept a wide variety of music under the Prog umbrella that I, formerly only being familiar with the traditional Prog more popular names, wouldn't have thought of as as Prog per se (as a specific movement), but I would've considered progressive.


can I be blunt... that is why you are a collab.. and some here will never be even if they wanted to... prog demands an open mind.

I have no opinions as to the group itself... I just defend the system we have here and those that decide it.  We are all volunteers..  and either people live with the way things are.. or they can find another site.  If C&C, by either being on the site...or not being in a full prog category bugs someone to no end.... just leave.... those kind of people bring nothing to the site anyway.  Are they the type who will have an open mind to explore and appreciate new areas of prog.   Nope.
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Points: 37430 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 14:08
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

moving bands out of PR is something that is being worked on Logan.. most of those are fits for Xover... and are being worked on between the admin and Xover teams.  Those bands are prog..... but didn't fit in existing subs before.   The two teams agree to the need to move them out. 


I'm glad of it, hopefully there will be less confusion over the terms often used by people at this site when discussing Prog Related; that being "not Prog" bands vs. "Prog" bands.  I still won't see things here in such (linguistic) absolutes, though.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Give me a break!! LOLLOL


^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related

give me a break....LOLLOL


But, as has been noted already, some people really do consider C&C Prog.  Before I decided to join here (though I was a long-time user of this site), I was familiar with other sites that considered C&C Prog.  When I fist heard them, it was not the kind of music I was expecting at all, and was very disappointed, it wasn't Prog as I knew it... But then I've come to accept a wide variety of music under the Prog umbrella that I, formerly only being familiar with the traditional Prog more popular names, wouldn't have thought of as as Prog per se (as a specific movement), but I would've considered progressive.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 13:55
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I seem to remember it being suggested much this way before, but it would be a neat feature if albums could be rated with a prog-o-meter here since some albums by "Prog Related" bands are much more related than others (and indeed some bands deemed Prog Related are more related than others).  Of course the Prog-quotient should be reflected in the existent album ratings too.


the simple solution.... or would be in a perfect world.. but as this thread proves.. it doesn't exist.  In a perfect world.. people read before they consider... consider before they speak.

We would have bands who did prog albums out of PR... and in the genre that reflects what their prog was.  Of course that won't happen.. or maybe SHOULD happen so the numbnuts could go on and on about how this group.... group.. not the music.. is not prog.  People seem to think this is a general music site...it is a prog website..  People don't give a sh*t about  Genesis post prog... the prog Genesis is what is important here.  Should be the same for others.
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Points: 37430 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 13:51
I seem to remember it being suggested much this way before, but it would be a neat feature if albums could be rated with a prog-o-meter here since some albums by "Prog Related" bands are much more related than others (and indeed some bands deemed Prog Related are more related than others).  Of course the Prog-quotient should be reflected in the existent album ratings too.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 13:50
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Give me a break!! LOLLOL


^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related

give me a break....LOLLOL
sure... which arm? LOLLOLLOL


both if you please... LOL 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Give me a break!! LOLLOL


^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related

give me a break....LOLLOL
sure... which arm? LOLLOLLOL
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Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Give me a break!! LOLLOL


^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related

give me a break....LOLLOL
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moving bands out of PR is something that is being worked on Logan.. most of those are fits for Xover... and are being worked on between the admin and Xover teams.  Those bands are prog..... but didn't fit in existing subs before.   The two teams agree to the need to move them out. 
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Points: 21618 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 13:43
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



Re an earlier comment: The question might be, if not Prog, would one describe them as related to prog to someone?


I would describe them as prog related to people who mainly listen to non-prog alternative/independent/emo rock. Then I would add that there are bands from those genres who have more prog elements - such as Dredg, Three, Oceansize or Radiohead.
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This is ProgArchives, I guess some people expect Prog at a Prog site..  Anyway, I wouldn't so much say that all the bands in prog-Related are "not Prog" per se, some are considered Prog by some (I used the Alan Parsons Project in a similar thread as an example).  Some might be described as quasi-Prog, but we should really be thinking about albums as Prog rather than bands since many bands listed here as Prog bands released non-Prog albums, and I would argue that there are bands listed under Prog Related that released Prog albums (sometimes it just seems to be a matter of the quantity of material).

What is Prog is often in the ear of the behearer.  So I tend not to think in such (Prog. Non Prog) absolutes.

Re an earlier comment: The question might be, if not Prog, would one describe them as related to prog to someone?


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Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ which is why they're in the prog-related category. It seems like people just don't get it ... bands in that category are *not* prog.


Well, I don't even see any clear relation, but hey, everyone has an opinion, right?


The prog elements they use were outlined many times in this thread ... you're free to ignore these posts of course. You also don't have to agree with them, but consider this:

http://www.last.fm/music/Coheed+and+Cambria

As you can see by the tags most user seem to think that they're even fully fledged prog rock ... so the position of PA could even be described as "conservative".
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Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ which is why they're in the prog-related category. It seems like people just don't get it ... bands in that category are *not* prog.


Well, I don't even see any clear relation, but hey, everyone has an opinion, right?


which is why these discussions are pointless.... those who show the site they have vision to see the big picture end up getting moved up and make the discussions . The admins most of all...who decide what goes in prog-related or not.  So in summation...  you have the right to opinion.. but not to say that this site is wrong.  I'll put  100 odd years of prog experience of the admin team against yours anyday hahhaha Wink
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 13:21

Going back to " is it because of the comic book wich is parallel to the music albums"

 
Erm, I don't believe it is, I assume you mean that the three albums released thus far have followed the comic book story line, so are therefore are Concept albums. Concept albums are not universally restricted to Prog Rock - thee are numerous non-Prog concept albums.
 
Also, Claudio Sanchez's Amory Wars comic books are not as well known as the C&C albums, so it is unlikely that they figured in anyone's opinion of whether the music is Emo, Alternative, Prog or Prog-Related.


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ which is why they're in the prog-related category. It seems like people just don't get it ... bands in that category are *not* prog.


Well, I don't even see any clear relation, but hey, everyone has an opinion, right?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ which is why they're in the prog-related category. It seems like people just don't get it ... bands in that category are *not* prog.


again.... I wish the admins would listen and change that damned name.  People see prog... and think prog.
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^ which is why they're in the prog-related category. It seems like people just don't get it ... bands in that category are *not* prog.
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Points: 846 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 13:04
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

long tracks
time signatures and ever-changing moods
concept story
not enaff eh?


Not for me, they still scream alternative whenever I listen. The only difference is they have a concept behind there works.


So ... something that sounds "alternative" can not be prog?


Well, no, certainly not, a lot of oh say PT's stuff has the alternative sound, but there's more too PT then that. I have two of Coheed's albums and there just good alternative rock. Nothing more. I would never dare describe them as prog to someone.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

long tracks
time signatures and ever-changing moods
concept story
not enaff eh?


Not for me, they still scream alternative whenever I listen. The only difference is they have a concept behind there works.


So ... something that sounds "alternative" can not be prog?


god forbid prog that sounds 'pop' .


open your minds people... you are supposed to be prog fans.... not simple minded fools that listen to two or three  chords stuffed under a  cowboy hat


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