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Chris H
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:54 |
lightbulb_son wrote:
I remember seeing Porcupine Tree live, and it did feel to me that the show focused entirely on Steven. Gavin was off in one corner, John Wesley was shoved off to the side, Barbieri was only partially visible in the back, and their bass player (sorry I forget his name) was just standing by a stack of amps looking bored. Steve is in the middle of the stage, spotlight on, joking with the crowd, and though it was a great performance, I really felt bad for everyone else. Even John's solos where he is supposed to be the center were very small, no spotlight, passionless affairs.
I wish PT could be more like Opeth, both bands have a clear creative genius and excellent surrounding cast, but Mikael doesn't seem to grab the spotlight, Peter gets these great solos, and of course Martin is always present back there pounding away (at least he was). |
Hmm, when I saw PT, John Wesley wasn't performing with them. (This was 2002). Steve Wilson WAS in fact in the center of the stage but Colin Edwin stepped in front of him numerous times when his bass parts got heavy. Also Richard Barbieri was the main speaker to the crowd during the down-time. Gavin did only get the spotlight once or twice but it did stay on him a while!
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el böthy
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:49 |
prog4evr wrote:
Freak wrote:
The only time that's ever bothered me was during the Recital Of The Script DVD,
during Rothery's two best solos ("The Web", "Grendel"), they show Fish
destroying a plant and sacrificing an audience member. Still, the
music's there, and Fish was really a presence. Rothery wasn't that
expressive back then either, it's not like they were only showing
Daltrey while Townshend was jumping around and windmilling. |
You're on to something regarding Marillion though. My
understanding is that the rest of the band got tired of Fish "calling
all the shots" with regards to writing, presentation, advertising, and
the like. I suppose with less of a charismatic frontman,
Marillion feels they are more of an ensemble-band now, instead of a
back-up band for Fish....
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But what a price did they have to pay for it!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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prog4evr
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 09:09 |
Freak wrote:
The only time that's ever bothered me was during the Recital Of The Script DVD,
during Rothery's two best solos ("The Web", "Grendel"), they show Fish
destroying a plant and sacrificing an audience member. Still, the
music's there, and Fish was really a presence. Rothery wasn't that
expressive back then either, it's not like they were only showing
Daltrey while Townshend was jumping around and windmilling. |
You're on to something regarding Marillion though. My
understanding is that the rest of the band got tired of Fish "calling
all the shots" with regards to writing, presentation, advertising, and
the like. I suppose with less of a charismatic frontman,
Marillion feels they are more of an ensemble-band now, instead of a
back-up band for Fish....
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sleeper
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Posted: December 04 2006 at 14:00 |
el böthy wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Believe me, PoS concepts and lead guitars (and in Scarsick's case, bass) may be Gildenlow's realm, but the band would dissolve if the other members were forced to play what Gildenlow wrote for them. Their creativity may not be entirely proportional, but the other members contribute a lot. |
even in BE?
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Maybe a bit less in Be than before but they still would have contributed to the overall effect, as Man Overboard mentioed above, Hermansson composed Iter Impius on that album (though it was intended for The Perfect Element 2 at first).
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el böthy
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Posted: December 04 2006 at 13:37 |
stonebeard wrote:
Believe me, PoS concepts and lead guitars (and in Scarsick's case, bass) may be Gildenlow's realm, but the band would dissolve if the other members were forced to play what Gildenlow wrote for them. Their creativity may not be entirely proportional, but the other members contribute a lot. | even in BE?
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 19:16 |
Believe me, PoS concepts and lead guitars (and in Scarsick's case, bass) may be Gildenlow's realm, but the band would dissolve if the other members were forced to play what Gildenlow wrote for them. Their creativity may not be entirely proportional, but the other members contribute a lot.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 19:10 |
Harry Hood wrote:
And what about post-rock? It seems like all the members are just standing around looking bored and there is no spotlight at all. |
for some reason, post-rock especially seems to focus on the band working as a whole rather than any single standout part....maybe that's why
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Heff
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 08:56 |
Maybe some of those band members arent' looking for the spotlight or fame, and just really enjoy playing their instruments. It would be a high enough honor to just be playing on stage with Steven Wilson or Peter Hamill, and if I occasionally got to contribute to a few songs I would be thrilled.
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 01:10 |
Kinda like the other guy from Wham! ?
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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Man Overboard
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 00:19 |
Fredrik Hermanssen wrote Iter Impius, which many consider to be the standout track on Be.
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Harry Hood
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 00:17 |
And what about post-rock? It seems like all the members are just standing around looking bored and there is no spotlight at all.
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Harry Hood
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 00:13 |
I guess Phish was a four faced band then.
Trey could be considered the "frontman", but every band member had equal time in the spotlight.
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moebius
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Posted: December 03 2006 at 00:00 |
A band is like a human body. Someone has to be the face.
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Freak
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 21:52 |
The only time that's ever bothered me was during the Recital Of The Script DVD, during Rothery's two best solos ("The Web", "Grendel"), they show Fish destroying a plant and sacrificing an audience member. Still, the music's there, and Fish was really a presence. Rothery wasn't that expressive back then either, it's not like they were only showing Daltrey while Townshend was jumping around and windmilling.
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lightbulb_son
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 21:18 |
I remember seeing Porcupine Tree live, and it did feel to me that the show focused entirely on Steven. Gavin was off in one corner, John Wesley was shoved off to the side, Barbieri was only partially visible in the back, and their bass player (sorry I forget his name) was just standing by a stack of amps looking bored. Steve is in the middle of the stage, spotlight on, joking with the crowd, and though it was a great performance, I really felt bad for everyone else. Even John's solos where he is supposed to be the center were very small, no spotlight, passionless affairs.
I wish PT could be more like Opeth, both bands have a clear creative genius and excellent surrounding cast, but Mikael doesn't seem to grab the spotlight, Peter gets these great solos, and of course Martin is always present back there pounding away (at least he was).
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When the world is sick
Can't no one be well
But I dreamt we were all
beautiful and strong
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Gravity Eyelids
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 12:13 |
I read an interview with Rich Barbieri of PT where he complains that SW isn't the only one contributing to PT. He says it is very much a band effort and all the members contribute to the sound. So I guess he's tired of being forgotten about.
Edited by Gravity Eyelids - December 02 2006 at 12:26
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Into this wild Abyss the fiend
Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while,
Pondering his Voyage.
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E-Dub
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 11:51 |
I thought the new Porcupine Tree DVD shows the other band members pretty well. I've watched the PoS Be snippits and I'm holding off. To be honest, Be isn't a favorite of mine, and going by the sound bytes I have heard of the new one, Scarsick, I may be holding back on it, too. Remedy Lane, Concrete Lake, and Perfect Element are so amazing, however.
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el böthy
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 10:14 |
Watching some videos available on youtube from the Be DVD from Pain of Salvation, I coulnt help thinking..."how must the rest of the band feel like?" You know? Cause we all know that Gildenlöw is the absolut genius behind POS, he does the lyrics, the concept, the music, and it seems that with Be he did even more than in previous albums. And of course its not only about POS, but with all thouse bands where there is one-band-man (Porcupine Tree, Jethro Tull ...you name them). So, does anyone know anything, or has any comments on this? Cause I tell you, if I where in a band like POS playing...say the guitar, and Gildenlöw is all over the place...I dont know how I would take it. This guys must be very, very good friends!
...maybe thats why Scarsick is supoused to be more of a "members effort"...maybe they were getting sick of Gildenlöws megalomaniac...
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