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Posted: November 11 2006 at 14:38 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ it's difficult to tell. Modern graphics cards consume much more power in 3D mode than during normal operation ... if after cleaning the fan the CPU temperature is no longer critical but the system still crashes during DVD playback, it can't be CPU/software related.
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Yes it can - drivers crash the operating system far more frequently than hardware.
It really depends on system behaviour before the new hardware was installed - but since new software was also installed, you cannot pin the blame squarely on the hardware.
Edited by Certif1ed - November 11 2006 at 14:39
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 14:35 |
^ it's difficult to tell. Modern graphics cards consume much more power in 3D mode than during normal operation ... if after cleaning the fan the CPU temperature is no longer critical but the system still crashes during DVD playback, it can't be CPU/software related. And if the power supply is only 330W, it's definitely too small for a system with a big graphics card. That's why the new PC systems all have 480W power supplies ... BTW: Isn't it crazy - these PCs consume more power than my stove ... and my system heats my living room in the winter.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - November 11 2006 at 14:38
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 14:35 |
97.4% certain.
BTW, I currently have 16 or 17 computers in my house - I've got a few to go free to a good home, although most should be out to pasture at their age
Edited by Certif1ed - November 11 2006 at 14:37
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 14:19 |
Certif1ed wrote:
It's not the PSU, it's software hogging your CPU.
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Its not the power supply?
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 14:17 |
It's not the PSU or the graphics card, it's software hogging your CPU.
Your 330 WATT PSU will be delivering the 3.3v that your AGP card requires with no problems - the only problem that might come about would be if you had a PCI-E card that drew excessive wattage from the 12V rail on your PSU - but that's not the case.
41C is OK - warm, but nothing to worry about. 60C is a bit hot, 80C is very hot and over 90C is cause to get really worried. What temps did it show with your old card?
You only need SLI if you're going for 2 GFX cards for serious gaming - but Crossfire is worth considering as an alternative - hey, if you want to spend money on computers, I'm an expert (at spending money on computers... I recently bought 500 servers for my company)
I would advise going for a decent (cheap) fast AMD chip solution rather than a clunky old Intel based system - I haven't bought Intel since the P4 was caught by the old Athlon XP chips which run at the same speed in real terms, with the same stability, but cost half the price.
The horror stories of excessive heat are long past - I'm in the process of building an AM2 based system for my father and it Rocks (capital R) - that's TWO processors in one CPU, in case you didn't know.
Spec: AM2/Gigabyte small form factor PCI-E based mobo, NVidia 7300T 512Mb GFX, 2Gb Corsair TwinX Dual Channel DDR2 RAM, 250GB SATA II HDD.
Edited by Certif1ed - November 11 2006 at 15:44
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 11:20 |
Tony here's my horror story concerning computers,
3 years ago i bought an Advent PC 2.2 GHz, 512 Mb RAM and 80 Gb HD from PC World for £800. recently the motherboard packed up and as i hadn't renewed the guarantee was up the creek without a paddle!
I eventually got a new PC..(365 euros from Germany)
( EVERYTHING you can chuck at this runs perfectly)
had to buy a copy of Windows XP Home for this £59.00, but can be installed on any other PC as long as it is registered with Microsoft..
Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz 1024KB cache 64Bit HT Model 541
ASRock 775DUAL-VSTA carte mère NVidia Geforce 6200 256MB TV-out/DVI 160GB Samsung SATA-2 HD 1024MB DDR-II RAM LG GSA-H10 16x Multi DL DVD-RW Carte Son 7.1 on board - 8 Canaux
and a new screen...(£129.00)
so happy now i'm sorted, but i'm amazed much higher spec. machines are so much cheaper to buy these days!!
BTW i bought a used Compaq 2 GHz machine to just run music programs on, and used the DIMM, HD and CD-ROM/WRITE from the old Advent in it, so i got a bit back from it!
PS Vista is a big OS to run, suitable for dual core CPU, but Vista Home is in the pipeline!
Edited by mystic fred - November 11 2006 at 11:51
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 11:10 |
OK,I will bear this in mind Mike.
Thanks once again.
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 11:06 |
^ A new power supply will only cost you 30€, a new computer at least 500€ (make it 1000€ if you want Core Duo, 2GB and SLI). I'd recommend to wait at least until February 2006 - then you'll also get Windows Vista, and prices for dual core CPUs will drop dramatically once the quad core CPUs are "state of the art". The same applies to graphics cards, memory chips and hard drives ... the new generation of graphics chips with DirectX 10 & HDTV/HDMI capabilities are being released, 2GB of main memory is the new minimum requirement for PC gaming, and perpendicular recording technology leads to a substantial boost for hard drives - both performance and storage capacity are much higher. I will wait until February and then upgrade my system ...
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 10:41 |
It appears to be a problem with the power supply (I have 330 volts(??))
However my CPU was running at 82 degrees C ( ) and after removing large amounts of crud out of the fan it runs at 41 degrees C at idle. I think my CPU has been trashed as the CPU usage goes up to over 55% doing ordinary things (its a 3.06 P4)
Damn n blast goddam computers...arrgggghhh!!
Ok,so I am having the power supply upgraded.
I think that I will go the whole hog and get a new mobo,Pent dual core processor and DDR 2 memory. I will also install a sli garaphic card.
Any donations greatfully accepted.
Edited by Tony R - November 11 2006 at 10:42
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 18:13 |
Try uninstalling the drivers and use the ones on the CD that came with the card.
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 17:02 |
ok. that figures.
If I try and play any video,DVD,video file on PC then my PC crashes...
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 16:55 |
In the PM you said that when you put in a DVD it stops ... if it's related to playing videos then the graphics card may simply be broken.
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 16:50 |
well it has all gone pear-shaped.
I installed the card and driver after uninstalling the previous card's driver. Then I downloaded the updated the geforce drivers and installed them.
Every time I try and play any video media my pc either grinds to a halt or latterly my system went off and rebooted.
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 05:15 |
Nothing - apart from the possibility of a duff board, you accidentally sending 50,000 volts into your system and inadvertently frying it, and the whole system crashing when you install the 50Mb of NVidia "drivers" (the driver bit is tiny, but both ATI and NVidia install a ton of crap that on occasions have been known to cause issues.).
Apart from that, it should be plain sailing...
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 17:23 |
So this will be easy right,nothing can go wrong.......
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 17:01 |
As Mike says, AGP interfaces often have a little lever right at the back of the slot that you may need to push down in order to remove the card. It re-instates itself "automatically" when you insert the new card, and as others have said, this should be simplicity itself.
I built my first PC from scratch back in 1991, when my father presented me with a bunch of bits that had been consigned to the scrap heap. I made an IBM PC - with a lovely 8088 chip and 256k RAM (No Hard Disk!). Fortunately, I was doing a degree in Computing at the time
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 16:46 |
Brilliant guys thanks.
I am reasonably confident and will attempt it tomorrow afternoon.
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 12:41 |
Well my motherboard came with some handy adapters which you plugged all the LED and switches in to and then plugged that into the motherboard, nice and easy.
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 11:21 |
N Ellingworth wrote:
Before I built my PC I'd never done anything to the insides of a computer so it was very daunting for me when I saw all those expensive bits and tried to figure out how they all went together.
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For me the most difficult task is always to connect the LEDs/switches of the case to the mainboard. The documentation almost always sucks, so it's trial and error ...
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 11:19 |
Tony R wrote:
Any advice is welcome,thanks Mike.
This task probably seems simple to you guys,but is a bit daunting for me. I have replaced CD/DVD drives on my current PC but they are on caddies.. |
You only need to open the case and remove the screw for the graphics card. Then just try to pull the card out of the socket ... some cards have some kind of mechanism to secure it in the socket, in that case there'll be a small button/noose/whatever next to the pins (near the socket), which you'll have to push or pull in order to release the card. Sounds much more complicated than it actually is! Wow, these things are difficult to put to words, at least in a foreign language!
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