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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:15 |
Rocktopus wrote:
I like Mastodon, as a great metalband. Best band I've heard since Slayer. How come it takes ca. two days from someone starting this thread to get them cleared for inclusion? While a real, pioneering progfolk band like the Incredible String Band so far has taken about a year of thinking about? That's one of the reasons these endless metal inclusions really pisses me off.
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Mastodon has been debated by our team for almost a year.
The Incredible String Band are not in my genre of specialty,so you have to take that issue up with the respective team.
And there are "endless metal inclusions" because the Prog Metal Team is ONE of the most active genre specialist teams here.Please don't give us a hard time for being hard-working and productive.
Edited by TheProgtologist - September 11 2006 at 13:00
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Rocktopus
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Joined: March 02 2006
Location: Norway
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 09:07 |
I like Mastodon, as a great metalband. Best band I've heard since Slayer.
How come it takes ca. two days from someone starting this thread to get them cleared for inclusion? While a real, pioneering progfolk band like the Incredible String Band so far has taken about a year of thinking about? That's one of the reasons these endless metal inclusions really pisses me off.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 07:51 |
Mastodon is now officially cleared and approved for inclusion by the Prog Metal Team.
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Bryan
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 02:59 |
I'm sort of coming around to the idea of including Mastodon... if Jody agrees you guys may very well get your wish.
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fezman
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Joined: August 04 2005
Location: Australia
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 00:27 |
Just got Blood Mountain and making notes
Edited by fezman - September 20 2006 at 16:40
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Can't think of anything cool at the moment ...
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SolariS
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Joined: October 27 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 13:53 |
If you argue 'no', then tell me another band that they are a clone of...
I think that they are a very original and unique band. While you may not enjoy their music, you should at least admit that they are doing something that nobody else in metal is doing. Is that not progress on the sound of metal?
Yes, you can argue about their 20-minute songs, concept albums and sheer complexity, but the fact is this. Mastodon is it's own band, trying to write music that is truly something new. IMO, that's the point of progressive rock....or at least the meaning of the word 'progressive'.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 15:56 |
Yeah, I forgot about the whole Lifesblood EP thing.
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Moatilliatta
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 01 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:16 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I don't see how anyone could say they aren't. The best way to decide, for me at least, if a band is progressive, is to listen to their discography and see what you think. There's a very obvious jump in musicalisty and technical ability from their 1st album (Call of the Mastodon) to their 2nd (Remission,) and an even larger leap from Remission to Leviathan. And if what I've heard is correct, Blood Mountian looks to be another leap from that. So I don't see how they aren't in th archives as of yet. |
Call of the Mastodon is a compilation of old b-sides, demos and the Lifesblood EP. Technically it's not their first album, but rather it would be Lifesblood. Just for future reference.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 10:49 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
I'm not arguing their progness, I just can't stand 'em. It sounds like a bunch of noise
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That's sludge metal, dude!
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 10:44 |
I don't see how anyone could say they aren't. The best way to decide, for me at least, if a band is progressive, is to listen to their discography and see what you think. There's a very obvious jump in musicalisty and technical ability from their 1st album (Call of the Mastodon) to their 2nd (Remission,) and an even larger leap from Remission to Leviathan. And if what I've heard is correct, Blood Mountian looks to be another leap from that. So I don't see how they aren't in th archives as of yet.
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Moatilliatta
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Joined: December 01 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 03:10 |
^Is Pendulous Skin a 22-minute song, or is it shorter with a bonus bit at the end?
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Jochem
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Location: Netherlands
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 13:35 |
I think Mastodon are a prog band, songs like Tribolite on Remission, Hearts Alive on Levithian and Sleeping Giant and Pedolous Skin on their latest album are very much prog songs. Also they have concept albums and even concepts with their 3 albums together. Remission is the Fire album, Levithian water and Blood Mountain Stone.
Also they have solos and extended solo-sections, weird time-signatures, jazzy drumming and more progthings.
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Leningrad
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Location: Canada
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 20:30 |
PorcupineKing wrote:
What did they say about DT?
I think they qualify for the fact they use odd time signatures and non-formal song structures.
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Oh, man. I almost died reading. Here, I'll write it out, because I'm very bored.
GW Let me posit something: You guys definitely have prog elements to your sound, and yet you're exciting and valid--you're cool. Why do you think you're cooler than a band like, say, Dream Theater?
HINDS Because we don't have a little Chinese girl playing bass! [laughs]
GW Yikes!
HINDS And they dress all gay, too. I mean, look at them: they wear those cheesy leather pants. The lead singer especially: he's got that really gay thing going on with his hair. Plus, he sings like a f***ing opera singer and s***. Their hair, their clothes, their music... They're gay.
GW Now, wait a second. Are you calling Dream Theater a Brokeback band? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
HINDS No, I don't mean "gay" like that. I just mean...gay. [laughs]
And there you have it.
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Dalkaen
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Posted: August 30 2006 at 00:25 |
Yeah, I think they're pretty progressive. They definitely approach their music that way. One of Brann Dailor's favorite albums is The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 22:54 |
I'm not arguing their progness, I just can't stand 'em. It sounds like a bunch of noise
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Walri
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Location: United States
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 21:54 |
I've said it in two other threads: Leviathan was borderline at least, and Blood Mountain places them squarely under prog. They just aren't "traditional" prog metal.
(And they're sure as hell as prog as many other "prog metal" bands here.)
Edited by Walri - August 29 2006 at 21:57
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PorcupineKing
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 14:28 |
Matt Dickens wrote:
Yes, did anyone happen to catch their comments about Dream Theatre in their interview in the newest Guitar World? I was laughing my ass off, they completely made a laughing stock out of them but then went on to praise several other prog bands such as Rush. |
What did they say about DT? I think they qualify for the fact they use odd time signatures and non-formal song structures.
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Matt Dickens
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Location: United States
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 23:41 |
Yes, did anyone happen to catch their comments about Dream Theatre in their interview in the newest Guitar World? I was laughing my ass off, they completely made a laughing stock out of them but then went on to praise several other prog bands such as Rush.
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Supertwister
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Location: New Zealand
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 16:19 |
No, I just think they're an alright metal band.
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Moatilliatta
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 01 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 3083
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 16:05 |
I think after Blood Mountain comes out, the team will be in favor of their addition. I've only heard the two songs on their site, but man, they were darn good, Capilarian Crest especially.
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