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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2005 at 05:13
The Dead Kennedys use bagpipes, but they're not prog and they're not my thing...

Interesting instruments that maybe able to be used in prog:

Tuba
Sousaphone
Lute
Spoons...

I actually really like the sound of the Glockenspiel and Xylophone and I know King Crimson and Colosseum use them, but have yet to hear anyone else use them as a percussion instrument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2005 at 05:06

Its not forbidden.We listen music where can musicians experiment every musical

instruments what ever they like.

 Cowbell ,Harmonica,Ukulele what ever.

 There are no rules what musical instruments has to been used.

 I know metal band that uses pagpipes....

 

Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity-    I Love Them all !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2005 at 04:52
Chris Squire plays it in a few Yes albums but I can't think of anyone else who plays it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 21:31
Ah, I shall google it Syzygy!

Thanks for the ideas guys, I'll have a look out for some of them.

Ah, I do remember a Supertramp track with harp on, it gets played on Planet Rock on Digital Radio sometimes...

And Cowbells remind me of Ski Sunday...

Is any of this avant-garde type playing?  I'm after weirdness with my harp playing, if that is possible?

I may have to download that Area Code 615 track, as it sounds like a one-hit wonder type band to me and sort after... I remember the harp playing, but not much else.  My father has it on a cassette tape somewhere.

If Duster Bennett is your thing, listen to "Fresh Country Jam", it's amazing.  He plays harp whilst playing guitar and high-hat, it's a little thought provoking how he could do all that at once!  Also listen out for his versions of "Summertime" by George Gershwin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 14:05
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:



I just wish I was as good as Duster Bennett was. 

 

 

Anybody who mentions Duster is okay - his playing on Gotta See My Baby Tonight (Jumpin' At Shadows album released by Indigo Records) sends chills down my spine! 

 

I can play the beginning of Christo Redemptor by Charlie Musslewhite (if anyone knows that),

Shame on those who don't. But I rate Paul Lamb (and the Kingsnakes) slightly ahead - check out their award winning Fine Condition album

but get a bit lost later on when the harp comes back in and I can play Chain Gang by Paul Jones (of the Blues Band)

His best version and especially with his spoken intro,  I believe sit on the Alexis Korner Memorial  Concert recordings, where he also does a good version of Sonny Boy Williamson - 25 years after Al Kooper massacred the Jones/Bruce composition on the  Live Adventures double.

 

 and the Old Gray Whistle Test theme (the band who did that has escaped me).

 

Was that Asleep At The Wheel???????

The OGWT theme was Stone Fox Chase by Area Code 615. I forget the name of the harmonica player though

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 13:23
The Finnish jazz/rock band "Wigwam" has some nice/romantic harmonica playing on their record "Tombstone Valentine" (1970) in the beginning track of the record "Tombstone Valentine". Not too progressive though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 12:43
I can only remember the beginning and the end of the album "Crime of the century" (Supertramp) and I'm not even sure. Sorry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 12:39
from the early 70's Switzerlands KROKODIL
produced one of the best fusions of progressive rock
and blues based rock with the album An Invisible
World Revealed. Harpheads should try that one,
pretty much a classic!

Curiously Krokodil is still not in the
PROGARCHIVES.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:17

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:



I just wish I was as good as Duster Bennett was. 

 

 

Anybody who mentions Duster is okay - his playing on Gotta See My Baby Tonight (Jumpin' At Shadows album released by Indigo Records) sends chills down my spine! 

 

I can play the beginning of Christo Redemptor by Charlie Musslewhite (if anyone knows that),

Shame on those who don't. But I rate Paul Lamb (and the Kingsnakes) slightly ahead - check out their award winning Fine Condition album

but get a bit lost later on when the harp comes back in and I can play Chain Gang by Paul Jones (of the Blues Band)

His best version and especially with his spoken intro,  I believe sit on the Alexis Korner Memorial  Concert recordings, where he also does a good version of Sonny Boy Williamson - 25 years after Al Kooper massacred the Jones/Bruce composition on the  Live Adventures double.

 

 and the Old Gray Whistle Test theme (the band who did that has escaped me).

 

Was that Asleep At The Wheel???????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:09
It's not about the harmonica, it's not even about prog.
I just have to say it again...

THE COWBELL IS UNDERRATED!
I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:39
Also worth mentioning is the short mouth organ opening section on one of the tracks of Supertramp's 'crime of the century'.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:35

Captain Beefheart is an amazing harmonica player, although he mostly used the instrument on his more blues based albums. Try Safe as Milk or Strictly Personal. He can also be heard on a blistering live version of The Torture Never Stops on You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore vol 4.

Peter Hope-Evans was one half of eccentric British duo Medicine Head, who weren't exactly prog but who were around during the glory years 1969-76. He has also worked with Pete Townshend, and occasionally acts as Mark Feltham's stand-in with Robbie McIntosh's band. He has his own bizarre website, which includes some strange sound samples - click on the blurry shapes www.peterhope-evans.co.uk .

Can used harmonica on Outside My Door (Monster Movie) and Edgar Froese plays a blast of harp on one of the tracks on Stratosfear. One of Kraftwerk's early albums featured a track called Harmonika, but it was just a scale blown on a diatonic recorded at half speed.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:33
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

As someone else mentioned, listen to Mark Feltham on Talk Talk's "Spirit of Eden".


Fantastic album and some excellent blow harp courtesy of Mr Feltham (he also plays, I think, on Mind Bomb by The The).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:22

some ELP song has harmonica in it... i dont remember which one but it was on the late ELP album... and it is on the Original Bootleg Series From The Manticore Vaults pt3.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:15
As someone else mentioned, listen to Mark Feltham on Talk Talk's "Spirit of Eden".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:44
Hehe, yes, hang on, I'll try and get it to work, I've not used it in ages.

Right people, back to prog... I'm still open to ideas about harps (not the string instrument) in prog though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:42
are you by any chance on yahoo!-messenger? you
can text me via relayer_hh (my yahoo!-ID), it's
probably more convenient to exchange harp lessons
there, before we truly get kicked out here for being
decidedly un-proggy – i am online now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:33
Erm, I'm not sure, as I've said, I've taught myself...

I have the same issues with getting out of breath.  I've been told to learn circular breathing (if you can play a didgeridoo, then you can do this) but I'm not sure how to.

And yes, I can do the rolling R effect, but I don't use it all that often, because it makes the jaw ache.

Could you explain what you mean by overblows and downbends?  I'm just a bit braindead this morning.

I just wish I was as good as Duster Bennett was.  I can play the beginning of Christo Redemptor by Charlie Musslewhite (if anyone knows that), but get a bit lost later on when the harp comes back in and I can play Chain Gang by Paul Jones (of the Blues Band) and the Old Gray Whistle Test theme (the band who did that has escaped me).

One more thing: I can kind of play blow notes in a different way..., it's hard to explain, but I'm not breathing in and out like one would when normally playing, it's like playing whilst breathing through the nose I think.  I'm kind of using my top lip and not doing the whistling type mouth position.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:26
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Erm, I can bend notes, but it's not
all about that, I find blow notes
can be used effectively too.  I've taught myself mind
(initially
had a book, but left it behind ages ago), so I maybe
do it completely
wrong.  I play on the top half of the harp, so I get a
single
note, but of course, using a variety is good too.  Plus
I can make
a clicking noise with my tongue, that has an
interesting affect too.



ok, let's milk this before we get chucked out the
effect of rolling an "R" (like rammstein's singer does)
has a really cool snarling or growling effect and
makes the harp sound pretty menacing. shame that i
can't really afford a tube amp. but attaining overblows
on the top scale has so far evaded me. i know that
the downbends can be achieved by altering your
jaw's position and mouth cavities but i can't seem to
find a way of doing the upward overblow. i always
end up totally out of breath and it is slowly becoming
quite unhealthy, so please help if you can

@ everyone else: just ignore this...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:18
Ah yes, I made a glaring error..., of course I meant the Mandolin player from Lindisfarne played Harmonica on Fool's Mate by Peter Hammill and not with VdGG.

Thanks for the tips guys.

Erm, I can bend notes, but it's not all about that, I find blow notes can be used effectively too.  I've taught myself mind (initially had a book, but left it behind ages ago), so I maybe do it completely wrong.  I play on the top half of the harp, so I get a single note, but of course, using a variety is good too.  Plus I can make a clicking noise with my tongue, that has an interesting affect too.

I think some cool sounds could be used in prog, if one was to put their mind to it

Are there any harmonica players in this forum that supply tips on playing?  I know it's a tad off topic...
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