Why not politics?

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^But that's why I say that if you can't take heated discussions - stay away. How hard is that really? Nothing is perfect and it usually takes two to tango anyway. I know many that actually enjoy such online argumenting, that don't get hurt by "hurtful comments" or whatever - and simply brush it off. Many people get something out of it. Otherwise they wouldn't ask why not politics in threads like this one and others before. Some may even learn a thing or two while arguing. I really don't get why or how this can be an issue for you. I don't care if someone's trolling each other in the comment section underneath some youtube video right now. Because I'm not there taking part in it.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Cristi wrote:   If people have fun with bickering and trolling, good for them. Not my thing.  The decision not to have such threads for a while seems reasonable for me. Why do people want more of that thing makes less sense to me though.    People are differnt from you - and me. And besides you only focus on the negative parts. My impression is that it's less about genuine trolling and more about hotheaded members losing control of themselves. Maybe it's healthier for some to blow off some steam here among frenemies than to walk around with all this anger inside.

I would add that several other forums that I'm active on to also actively discourage off-topic political discussions.

Edited by Floydoid - November 10 2024 at 03:00

^No not everyone takes this responsibility. But if "you" can't take heat and still don't manage to stay away - that's "your" problem. Not something we should make a set of rules for everyone else to follow. We have to make rules for ourselves to follow instead. I don't care if they get closed. Maybe they had five or six pages of good disussion before that half a page of abuse occured. And maybe it was worth it for the ones involved. Why should that be any of my business? Or yours?

As I see it...

Discussions about political issues raised by prog albums and songs belong here just fine as it's about the music..

Political discussions not related to prog rock really don't belong here as 'debates' tend to descend into bitter slanging matches.

Edited by Floydoid - November 10 2024 at 03:00

^and is that an actual argument for not allowing these kinds of discussions? Regardless of human nature everyone has to take responsibility for themselves. I suppose I "can't take the heat" (I'm not really among the most political beings either), so I "protect myself" by staying away.

It's not ideal when discussions in the Prog Music Lounge/Music Forums gets hijacked by heated fights about politics, religion or whatever. But I'm sure you're aware that there's a Music Not Related to Music-forum here. Always has been. The whole fricking point there, is to discuss anything but music. I don't understand why those who wants to discuss fight or whatever - about politics, can do that there. While those who don't want to participate, can simply stay away (like I've pretty much always done). I only understand how this can be a potential problem from a moderator's point of wiev. But regular visitors like you and myself, can easily choose to stick to the music-related lounges/forums.

Yeahh, though it's been proven countless times that political discussion on open social media are prone to easily get out of hand. Political/social topics are controversial by nature and such topics are not ideal for online communities as cross-generational and cross-cultural (with extreme diversity in views as well as extreme diversity in ego) as this one.

That's a recipe for unnecessary tension unless it's a strict one-sided cult-like echo chamber, but that is not what Progarchives is.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Cristi wrote: Most threads about politics ended up in abuse and insults, that's why i never participate in such conversations.  If i want to talk politics, i would not choose a music site. Discovering music is the point of a site like PA.  Hrychu wrote: Yeah. Exactly. This is not in the spirit of Progarchives, where the whole fricking point is to put aside politics and focus on the music. It's not ideal when discussions in the Prog Music Lounge/Music Forums gets hijacked by heated fights about politics, religion or whatever. But I'm sure you're aware that there's a Music Not Related to Music-forum here. Always has been. The whole fricking point there, is to discuss anything but music. I don't understand why those who wants to discuss fight or whatever - about politics, can do that there. While those who don't want to participate, can simply stay away (like I've pretty much always done). I only understand how this can be a potential problem from a moderator's point of view But regular visitors like you and myself, can easily choose to stick to the music-related lounges/forums.

Cristi wrote: Most threads about politics ended up in abuse and insults, that's why i never participate in such conversations.  If i want to talk politics, i would not choose a music site. Discovering music is the point of a site like PA.

Hrychu wrote: Yeah. Exactly. This is not in the spirit of Progarchives, where the whole fricking point is to put aside politics and focus on the music.

It's not ideal when discussions in the Prog Music Lounge/Music Forums gets hijacked by heated fights about politics, religion or whatever. But I'm sure you're aware that there's a Music Not Related to Music-forum here. Always has been. The whole fricking point there, is to discuss anything but music. I don't understand why those who wants to discuss fight or whatever - about politics, can do that there. While those who don't want to participate, can simply stay away (like I've pretty much always done). I only understand how this can be a potential problem from a moderator's point of wiev. But regular visitors like you and myself, can easily choose to stick to the music-related lounges/forums.

Last, I want to tell CSTACK3 that he has Trump but we in Italy have Meloni. I can't say what is worse.

Well, if you really want to talk about it.... then do it through the means of MUSIC, just like Battiato, Area, Museo Rosenbach, Neal Morse, Jon Anderson et al.

It seems like you've brought those examples up only to look for a cheap excuse to turn into a keyboard warrior on yet another social medium. But one thing that differentiates butthurt forum posts from original prog music on the grounds of being ways of expressions is that the latter has tact, and the former is just Twitter 2.0 🤮

Edited by Hrychu - November 10 2024 at 00:10