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horza 
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Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
 Posted: September 29 2005 at 15:46 |
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I'm telling you,they ARE not prog
 lets move on  squeeze them into some proto-prog-related category if you must 
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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RAMM:ELL:ZEE
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Joined: August 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 15:41 |
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Let's just move to the new progarchives here
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Ed_The_Dead
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Joined: April 29 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4928 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 14:21 |
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thinkYou are a bit overreating with BNW beeing the best prog metal album ever |
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Space Dimentia
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 25 2005 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 440 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 14:03 |
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I believe they are prog related the mighty maiden more so over 'tallica. You see Steve Harris (the bassist in case there's anyone who don't know) was a prog freak and loved Jethro Tull so when he started Maiden back in 75 or summin that naturally came out with in the music thus shifting the whole idea of prog-rock whilst you must remeber at the time you also had punk which supposidly "killed prog" (which it didn't prog just wasn't mainstram anymore so went underground.. but thats for another day) so thus it went underground and found new forms, one of these was Maiden and from this Maiden changed how rock and metal should be written, in that music is like a big, blank canvas waiting for a masterpiece to be formed on it. This in turn influencing many others such as 'tallica who cmae to view a similar view espcially during Masters of puppets, with the album itself having many proggy influences in there. So there they are both important and both are prog related, you could even say that Maiden created Prog-metal. Music Historian LOL |
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Prog is music for the mind
Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Joined: May 25 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:22 |
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that is a CRAP live album...the only live ye need is rock in rio and have ye heard BRAVE NEW WORLD?...masterpiece...beats the crap out of any prog metal album ever released |
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Andrea Cortese
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:18 |
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C'mon Magog, it was 1993! BTW I've always loved them! |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Joined: May 25 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:15 |
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And take Opeth's ghost reveries: A metal album wich has longer songs wich changes from hard metal riffs and soft accoustic stuff in 90% of the album...if you compare this album to brave new world i think you will find that the maiden songs are just as complicated and in some cases even more complex than the Opeth songs. Infact Opeth's epics on that cd is pretty boring as all has Heavy intros with a accoustic/soft part in the middle just to return to the heavy parts again and then end...and the rest 3 songs is simple ballady songs
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Lindsay Lohan
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Joined: May 25 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 13:07 |
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i have to admit the first time i heard porcupine tree i thought they where some kind of intelligent pop band with songs like sound of muzak,even less and shes moving on, trains, collapse the light into earth,hearattack in a layby and blackest eyes is not the least proggy...and certainly porcupine tree concentrate on making these simple songs Edited by maidenrulez |
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magog
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Joined: September 06 2005 Status: Offline Points: 218 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:46 |
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Hi Andrea, the story about your first pay is really touching...  hope you now spend your next pays with real prog albums!!!! |
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magog
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Joined: September 06 2005 Status: Offline Points: 218 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:41 |
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I think real prog died in the end of the 70's with last valuable albums from prog-bands of early 70's,
(Songs from the wood, Breathless,Quite zone-Pleasure dome); I generally don't trust in 80's prog (with some exception) and of corse metal is metal for my idea of prog. |
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Seyo
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 08 2004 Location: Bosnia Status: Offline Points: 1320 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:36 |
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Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here...
for good...
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Wolf Spider
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Joined: August 04 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 1617 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:24 |
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This is a joke, right? Please tell met it is NO Metallica and Iron Maiden never were and probably never be prog realted! Stop this nonsence! Iron Maiden is the founder of NWOBHM, thats New Wave Of British HEAVY METAL! Heavy metal not prog metal, not prog realted heavy metal, not even wery-close-but-not-exactly-prog-related-heavy-metal  Pure heavy metal- you know heavy metal- hard rock but faster and heavier! Nothing to do with prog. The same with Metallica. |
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 12:21 |
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I have to admit, I misread this before I replied. I thought it read that Maiden and Metallica have been included! |
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Andrea Cortese
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 11:43 |
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The first album I've bought with my first pay! GREAT! |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 10:26 |
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Yes is more prog than both Maiden and Metallica
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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BiGi
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Joined: June 01 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 848 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:47 |
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Well, it contains long and complex songs nevertheless. As well as Piece of Mind and Somewhere in time, other two that I would insert in the list of prog would-be.
I agree |
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A flower?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:41 |
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Citanul
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Joined: June 14 2005 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 430 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 07:20 |
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Are you sure about that? I don't see any connection between the Maiden album and Card's series, other than the concept of the seventh son of a seventh son, which is an idea that has been around a lot longer than either two.
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Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark
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Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
Posted: September 29 2005 at 02:29 |
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Why does you only concider seventh son of a seventh son to be progressive? Is it suddenly more progressive because it is a concept album? Anyways i would have no problem naming atleast 50 maiden songs wich could fit the term progressive. Infact if you take forexample the excellent In absentia release from porcupine tree...is it prog..NO...is it prog related...yes but it is still listen under prog...so there are really alot of artists on this page wich can be concidered prog although their arrangements are alot simpler than maidens...and the ones naming red hot chili peppers and megadeth |
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Seyo wrote:
... Its quite progessive (My 1st Maiden album
)... DoD is far more porg with a symphonic touch!
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