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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Are you calling me old?  LOL  Just couldn't resist....
 
No, I'm calling myself old. Smile I was five years old when Nat King Cole died and I was born the same year as Buddy Holly and Billie Holiday died.
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Are you calling me old?  LOL  Just couldn't resist....
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Annie Haslam's version of George Benson's "Nature Boy" sounds just like the kind of Progressive Rock song Renaissance could have recorded. Smile
Actually, Nat King Cole first made that song a hit.  It was written by Eden Ahbez.  And I absolutely LOVE this LP of Annie's and that song is one of the highlights for me.
I have Nat King Cole's version of "Nature Boy" on CD too, although I wasn't sure if many PA members would be old enough to remember it. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Annie Haslam's version of George Benson's "Nature Boy" sounds just like the kind of Progressive Rock song Renaissance could have recorded. Smile
Actually, Nat King Cole first made that song a hit.  It was written by Eden Ahbez.  And I absolutely LOVE this LP of Annie's and that song is one of the highlights for me.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

To be fair her first album "Annie in Wonderland" is listed as symphonic rock and progressive rock on wikipedia and her second one as symphonic rock. So, that's something.
To be fair, listen for yourself. All of the above videos are Annie's favorites from these albums as were related in the liner notes of the CDs and on blog sites. I don't find anything progressive about these songs. The Still Life album that's deemed Symphonic Rock is Symphonic Shlock. Again, there's nothing progressive about these songs but it is a great idea. The Blessing In Disguise album is pure MOR as is the Woman Transcending album that has a touch of electro pop as well as two Country Rock songs! I won't post the country rock songs and spare you.

This is a true representation of Annie's solo output, and as she herself has said, it's is not prog rock. Again, you have ears, make up your own mind or listen to the entire albums on Youtube and then decide. The MOR will remain as long as you care to listen.

Now, I'm going to listen to some KC and forget all about these songs for today.

So then why post them if they aren't progressive? Just to show us how non prog she was? I was just telling you what she was listed as in wikipedia. Anyone could pull out a few songs from a few albums and say they weren't progressive just because of a few songs. Geesh. I could put up more fool me and I know what I like and say selling england wasn't prog or wonderous stories and going for the one and say GFTO wasn't prog. I don't think wikipedia would list her as progressive rock if they didn't feel that way. I don't always agree with them but heck I don't always agree with PA either.


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^^ You're clearly no fan of Annie Haslam if you're rudely going to dismiss her wonderful music as "Symphonic Schlock". I think you've now lost all credibility with that rude and uncalled for comment. Stern Smile
 
The only thing you've convinced me of is that you know precious little about music if that's your offhand attitude towards Annie Haslam - one of the greatest female Prog-Rock singers of all time!


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

To be fair her first album "Annie in Wonderland" is listed as symphonic rock and progressive rock on wikipedia and her second one as symphonic rock. So, that's something.
To be fair, listen for yourself. All of the above videos are Annie's favorites from these albums as were related in the liner notes of the CDs and on blog sites. I don't find anything progressive about these songs. The Still Life album that's deemed Symphonic Rock is Symphonic Shlock. Again, there's nothing progressive about these songs but it is a great idea. The Blessing In Disguise album is pure MOR as is the Woman Transcending album that has a touch of electro pop as well as two Country Rock songs! I won't post the country rock songs and spare you.

This is a true representation of Annie's solo output, and as she herself has said, it's is not prog rock. Again, you have ears, make up your own mind or listen to the entire albums on Youtube and then decide. The MOR will remain as long as you care to listen.

Now, I'm going to listen to some KC and forget all about these songs for today.


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Annie Haslam's version of George Benson's "Nature Boy" sounds just like the kind of Progressive Rock song Renaissance could have recorded. Smile

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

To be fair her first album "Annie in Wonderland" is listed as symphonic rock and progressive rock on wikipedia and her second one as symphonic rock. So, that's something.
 
Thanks! Thumbs Up That's the point I've been trying to make all along. Smile
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^^ Thanks for posting Annie Haslam's "Going Home". I love that song. It is of course Dvorak's New World Symphony, which I always associate with Hovis bread. Smile
 
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To be fair her first album "Annie in Wonderland" is listed as symphonic rock and progressive rock on wikipedia and her second one as symphonic rock. So, that's something.
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Is This Prog Rock?

Is This Prog Rock?


Is This Prog Rock?



Is This Prog Rock?

                                         

 

Is This Prog Rock?


 


Is This Prog Rock?

 

Is This Prog Rock?




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Is This Prog Rock?

Is This Prog Rock?



Is This Prog Rock?

 


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It's too bad that Annie is not a PA member. She'd probably shoot this down herself. LOL
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Annie Haslam is being evaluated for possible inclusion in ProgArchives right now, so it's not over until the Symphonic Rock Lady Sings. Smile
 


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By the way:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:
"If it is a classic band, or artist.. you can bet your ass they are here if they merit it.. and if not.. they were rejected. We once had scores of people dedicated to additions.. filling out the database and there are not many we missed."

Hehe - I think totally differently, but time will show how many more pearls are left Smile
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^ well, it's clear that Paul doesn't grasp the criteria of what constitutes prog for a site like this. It would save everybody a bunch of time if this was clearly understood otherwise, sorry man, you're suggestions are just gonna get shot down time and time again Wink

Read this until you can repeat it word for word in yer sleep LOL
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ terms like symphonic rock, Krautrock or even jazz-rock exist but don't mean they are progressive. Those are important distinctions to understand before you suggest anything here. You should really read the definition of progressive rock nicely written out by the site's original pioneers. It will make it quite clear what prog is. Don't judge the site by some of the artists that slipped in and probably shouldn't be here. Tori Amos for example (as far as i know and i have several albums.) From the samples i've heard of Annie's solo work, it's basically like Renaissance only not progressive. It's some sort of classical / folk crossover over.
And that's the key: It's not progressive. What I'll do later on is post youtube songs of at least two songs from every album after Annie In Wonderland to demonstrate that none of it is prog and we can finally put this horse sh*t to bed.
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^ terms like symphonic rock, Krautrock or even jazz-rock exist but don't mean they are progressive. Those are important distinctions to understand before you suggest anything here. You should really read the definition of progressive rock nicely written out by the site's original pioneers. It will make it quite clear what prog is. Don't judge the site by some of the artists that slipped in and probably shouldn't be here. Tori Amos for example (as far as i know and i have several albums.) From the samples i've heard of Annie's solo work, it's basically like Renaissance only not progressive. It's some sort of classical / folk crossover over.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Well, that's a start but you would have to add Blessing In Disguise, Still Life and The Dawn Of Ananda to that list of MOR albums, with her s/t debut falling between MOR and AOR. That's all of her albums after Annie In Wonderland. And MOR is not a bad word in my book. Frank Sinatra is the most famous and successful MOR artist ever and I doubt, if he we're still alive, would have any problem being labeled as such as he's laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Annie Haslam's "Still Life" album is labelled as Symphonic Rock on Wikipedia, and it sounds like Symphonic Rock to me too, not MOR Pop. Wink
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