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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.

Oh, I've never been banned either. Although I seem to recall having several posts edited for opinions detrimental to the imbeciles I was mocking.
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hahah..  poor RJD.  Taking it on the chin today...
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wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.
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Live Evil. Yeah. First of all don't nick your album title from Miles. Second, don't try and deliver songs designed for the vocal cords of the undead stoner doom king of Birmingham if your vocalist is a 3’ tall opera-singing elf from New Hampshire.
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lmao.. hell yeah....I heard about that rant
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you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.

I. Couldn't. Leave. Mesmerized. By. Russian. Propaganda. Memes.

Besides, I can be much more malevolent without insufferable moderation. Raff did like my rant on a group of crazy Catholics wanting to have JRR Tolkien canonized because he wrote Lord of the Rings.
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Oh agreed with regard to Live Evil.  Dio just couldn't deliver those Ozzy songs with any authenticity.  
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whoo hooo!!!!
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As a huge fan of the first two Dio-era albums (I count Heaven and Hell as one of my Top 10 albums of all time), I have to agree with Greg here. The main reason why I've never been able to warm to Live Evil is that RJD's voice just did not work on the band's Ozzy-era classics. Songs like "Iron Man" or "War Pigs" are Ozzy's and Ozzy's alone, and no one else can do them justice. Dio, as great a voice as he had, was not at his best when singing other people's material. His performance of "Mistreated" on Rainbow's live album offers further proof of that. Being a technically gifted singer does not mean your voice will work equally well on all kinds of material.
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you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  
I would use the word "nonsense", but that wouldn't be polite. There is no way in Heaven or Hell that Dio can be considered an "upgrade" to 1970s Ozzy. 

Having seen both Ozzy with Sabbath on the 1974 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Tour and Dio with Sabbath on the '82 Black and Blue Tour, there really isn't a comparison. When Ozzy sang songs (and I'll just give singular instances from a few albums) like their titular "Black Sabbath", "Hand of Doom", "Into the Void", "Under the Sun", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "Megalomania", there was an inherent malice, an evil presence that was as much Ozzy's shriek and snarl as were the vicious riffs Tony Iommi was spitting out on every song. It's what every metal band named after guts or phlegm or menstruation or whatever has aspired to sound like thereafter, but which just sounds like silly Halloween growls with sped-up Sabbath riffs.

Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie."



Yes two very distinct vocal personalities. And if you're looking for pure evil incarnate, 70's Ozzy is gonna' be your guy.  But this is music after all, and ya' gotta' admit, that little Dio elf had a monster set of pipes.  Range and power Ozzy could only dream of.  
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh here we go..... the better half wanted to know why I was laughing so hard ....

You can blame it on me, and then have her go spam my Facebook.
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oh here we go..... the better half wanted to know why I was laughing so hard ....
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* spits a very fine porter all over monitor*

God you are precious Greg...

'the Diet Coke of Evil'....  hahahhaha


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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  
I would use the word "nonsense", but that wouldn't be polite. There is no way in Heaven or Hell that Dio can be considered an "upgrade" to 1970s Ozzy. 

Having seen both Ozzy with Sabbath on the 1974 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Tour and Dio with Sabbath on the '82 Black and Blue Tour, there really isn't a comparison. When Ozzy sang songs (and I'll just give singular instances from a few albums) like their titular "Black Sabbath", "Hand of Doom", "Into the Void", "Under the Sun", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "Megalomania", there was an inherent malice, an evil presence that was as much Ozzy's shriek and snarl as were the vicious riffs Tony Iommi was spitting out on every song. It's what every metal band named after guts or phlegm or menstruation or whatever has aspired to sound like thereafter, but which just sounds like silly Halloween growls with sped-up Sabbath riffs.

Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie."
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Well, they do have a very different sound to them. It's almost like two different groups, even aside from having a different vocalist.  
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^Nothing against DIO, but to me those albums havenīt ever sound Sabbath at all.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  Also Tony Iommi lays out his best solos on those later albums (although his riffs were more iconic on the earlier ones).  And above all, Geezer Butler finally emerges as one of the greatest bassists in rock history.  His bass lines on those albums rival those of the likes of Lee/Squier/Entwistle/Harris.  As great as early Sabbath was, there's really no topping Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules.  
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  

I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.


I'm not a huge Sabbath fan, but I count as a primate, and well, while tastes are subjective, I am inclined to disagree. I generally don't like to make best sort-of claims about such things, but my favourites are from 1970 to 1975. As said elsewhere, I do try to remain agnostic on various matters, and if compelling evidence or a very compelling argument arises for the veracity of such claims, then my opinion is open to change.
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.
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