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Aussie-Byrd-Brother 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 12 2011 Location: Melb, Australia Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
 Posted: May 17 2013 at 02:24 |
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Completely off topic, but damn, Dean, what a band Mansun were....I've still got a Mansun t-shirt somewhere, but I hardly ever wore it because people that didn't know them assumed that good looking bunch of young lads were a poppy boy group like Nsync etc lol!
Anyway, thanks for throwing in such a random Mansun plug, and.... 
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 17 2013 at 02:14 |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 17 2013 at 02:09 |
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Philosophy is a waste of a mind, it is the single most useless invention mankind has ever created, and the nonsense that dribbles from the mouths of pop and rock lyricists are some of the worst example of that. Prog lyrics are often poor poetry and even poorer philosophy even when compared to the inane banality of Hit Me baby One More Time. Why should I think that the probably drunken and possibly drug-addled musings of a singer in a rock band should carry any meaningful message or insight into the human condition. If the words tell a story then great, if they attempt to impart wisdom then ... meh.
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Second Life Syndrome
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Joined: August 20 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 361 |
Posted: May 16 2013 at 23:12 |
I completely agree! I can appreciate the music even if I happen to disagree. What's important to me is that they put some thought into it. For instance, Epica's Design Your Universe is quite pantheistic or something similar. I disagree, but I still feel a great pull into the music based on the lyrics. However, I want to see some serious thought. Last year, Galahad released Beyond the Gates of Euphoria, and the philosophical train of thought was terrible. It was all over the place. They contradicted themselves multiple times! The music was great, but I still have trouble listening intently to it;
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: May 16 2013 at 22:49 |
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VERY important to me. I like my music to actually mean something. I can deal with crappy lyrics from time to time but trite themes annoy the heck out of me. It's even more important to me in my own music.
Lyrics (and music) should speak to a vital part of the human experience and tell part of the great story of life/history. Even if I don't agree with the philosophies/messages behind a song's lyrics, I can still enjoy them. |
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dr wu23
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Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
Posted: May 16 2013 at 22:35 |
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Lyrics and ideas in the songs have always been important to me. They enhance the listening experience. I often have trouble listening to a band if the lyrics are lousy/trite even if the music is decent.
For instance I found out early on that Fripp was into Gurdjief and Bennett; ie, The Fourth Way Work. It encouraged me to find out what the philosophy was all about nd I spent several years reading about it which led me to other philosphical ideas. The same with Yes and Topographic Oceans which led me into Paramahansa Yogananda and Vedic ideas.
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Second Life Syndrome
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Joined: August 20 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 361 |
Posted: May 16 2013 at 20:24 |
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How important are the philosophies and ideas in prog to you? I find more and more that I often appreciate the lyrical message more than the music, at least at first. The lyrical content often opens up the door for me to fall in love with the music! One example: Riversea's "Out of an Ancient World". This album is a masterpiece in my opinion, but the philosophy is what gripped me at first. Truly, prog is music for thinking men!
I've been thinking about this concept for a while, and so I started a Facebook page called The Prog Mind. I want it to be a community of prog lovers that appreciate the message just as much as the melody. They place emphasis on the lyrics and on the music. I feel that this will get us closer and closer to the true soul of prog: that undefinable aura that seems to embrace prog. If you feel like it, join my community at https://www.facebook.com/TheProgMind If not, share your feelings about this topic!
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