How can metal be prog?

topofsm wrote: I think this guy says there's no such thing as prog metal because he doesn't like it.

I think he is saying that prog(ressive) metal isn't Prog.

I don't think that in itself necessarily have to be thought of as an insult, uninformed or trolling. It just comes across like it here.

Any random listen of the streams in the prog metal section and most of the albums I've checked out, shares so little with prog and so much with plain metal I'm not surprised people keeps bringing this issue up. More knowledgable people than Progmonster2008 (and most of us) thinks the same. I've seen this done in a more enlightened and openminded way by others, here and elsewhere, previously.

Prog metal with a strong relation to what naturally belongs on this site, exists. Fine. But I rarely agree with you metalheads what should qualify. Most of you seem to think that an outrageous concept, keyboards and some classicalsounding topping (still mainly as primitively incorporated in the music/compositions as in Days of Future Passed from '67), is more than enough to transform ordinary metal into prog.

Avant-jazz seems to have jazz-fusion, prog, and avant-garde beat! But finding the good stuff is a chore....

I think this guy says there's no such thing as prog metal because he doesn't like it. Saying stuff like, "Only a few listens, and then you're done" only means that he's unable to see the creative aspects of progressive and extreme/tech metal.  I beleive he has not realized that music is a subjective thing and that the genre progressive metal exists whether he likes it or not.

Henry Plainview wrote: I don't listen to metal. In fact, I don't have any friends

You blew your chance of getting one when you failed to notice that it's Art Zoyd who is cold and robotic and not Xenakis

Avantgardehead wrote: Heh, happiness is severely underrated. I can't stand most sad music (and especially depressing music like Opeth) because it doesn't sound genuine and I think of trendy teenagers moping around, writing poetry, and humming lines from these sad songs with quivering voice and teary eyes. Although some good sad music would be maudlin of the Well and The Dears.

Jim Garten wrote: Personally, I find if a thread puts forward an argument or debate to which I can find nothing positive to contribute, it can be better all round for me to abstain from posting, as opposed to inserting randomly negative comments which serve no other purpose than to wind up those who may want to discuss the subject concerned.

crimson87 wrote: It's weird but your advice made me wanna hear their stuff , it's OK if their are sad in not a cliched way like most metal and modern music.

What are some examples of modern music being sad in a cliched way?

It's weird but your advice made me wanna hear their stuff , it's OK if their are sad in not a cliched way like most metal and modern music.

Avantgardehead wrote: Metal is prog in a completely different way than rock is, and I think that's what throws a lot of people off.

You know what the problem with prog metal is: just that they have the egos of a prog musician and a metal one , taking themseves WAY TOOOO SERIOUSLY. I can stand metal when they do it just for fun like Manowar for ex but when they start being too creative they start to piss me off.

Edited by crimson87 - December 09 2008 at 13:49