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Poll Question: pick the winner of the 2015 PA's modern album tournament
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Just for the record: I don't hate either PT or SW - I just don't think they are the best thing since sliced bread as far as modern progressive rock is concerned. As to Hogarth-era Marillion, I know too little about them to judge, let alone bash them. What I have heard did not turn me off, but neither did it rock my world.

Anyway, I haven't been interested in "what is/is not prog?" debates for years, and am much more concerned about what I like and what I don't.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Hybris.  Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today.  (...) How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
I think it's mostly a generational thing because for many people here  - I mean, for that generation who was started to listening to music in 80s i.e. for those who "musically" grew up in the 80s - Talk Talk was favourite band or at least one of their top favourities, due to Talk Talk's 80s synth pop hits at MTV. And for them that ambiental / art rock Spirit of Eden release was a "revelation". I mean, for that generation who grow up with that 80s sh*t techno and synth pop, Spirit of Eden really was a "mindblowing" album. They were discovered the Progressive rock later, but true love never dies.

Well, when we were all hanging around Detroit in the '80's, we found that Spirit of Eden was a natural progression from the group's new wave sounds and just ate it up. "I Believe In You" was a massive hit in many clubs, and you could find its music video on MTV sometimes, late at night. Magical times. Got many of us into prawg. Tongue
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Hybris.  Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today.  (...) How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
I think it's mostly a generational thing because for many people here  - I mean, for that generation who was started to listening to music in 80s i.e. for those who "musically" grew up in the 80s - Talk Talk was favourite band or at least one of their top favourities, due to Talk Talk's 80s synth pop hits at MTV. And for them that ambiental / art rock Spirit of Eden release was a "revelation". I mean, for that generation who grow up with that 80s sh*t techno and synth pop, Spirit of Eden really was a "mindblowing" album. They were discovered the Progressive rock later, but true love never dies.

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

like it or not (purists and elitists) that is where progressive rock is today.. and continuing to go.  For the 100th time darling.. think back to what that dude from White WIillow wrote after Nearfest bit the dust. It is a new world out there... and was time for a divorce of the old school prog rock and new school progressive rock camps.  Some love both, many love and will support one or the other to the determint of the other.

Many of these bands don't associate, classify themselves as 'prog' nor restrict themselves are their potential audiences by pining for the few open minded prog fans out there.  They are going after todays open minded listener who just does not care if it is labeled prog rock or progressive rock or what have you..  they simply care if it is good and entertaining.  Thankfully there are a lot of bands out there putting out just such music for open minded fans of adventurous music. 


Talktalk felt really backwards looking to me, with hints of Velvets and Floyd rather than being anything that leaps out and brains me and steals my wallet. I'm mostly just bitter that the final isn't between



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But y'know, hopefully next year the pope takes all.
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:21
YES!!! LOL

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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:18
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not enough sex or violence in prog to make it worth my while LOL

Now that the Vatican and the Papacy hooked on prog you'll have sex and violence to the extreme... Evil Smile
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like it or not (purists and elitists) that is where progressive rock is today.. and continuing to go.  For the 100th time darling.. think back to what that dude from White WIillow wrote after Nearfest bit the dust. It is a new world out there... and was time for a divorce of the old school prog rock and new school progressive rock camps.  Some love both, many love and will support one or the other to the determint of the other.

Many of these bands don't associate, classify themselves as 'prog' nor restrict themselves are their potential audiences by pining for the few open minded prog fans out there.  They are going after todays open minded listener who just does not care if it is labeled prog rock or progressive rock or what have you..  they simply care if it is good and entertaining.  Thankfully there are a lot of bands out there putting out just such music for open minded fans of adventurous music. 


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I would add my own 2 cents to what my better half just wrote in his post. Of these two albums, Spirit of Eden is the one that stands a chance to appeal to an audience other than established, long-time prog fans. If we really want progressive rock to last beyond the natural life span of its initiators and first-hour followers, we need to expand its definition - or, instead of a living art form, we will be left with a museum artifact. As much as I dislike Prog magazine, I think their decision to expand their scope to include bands such as Tame Impala was an excellent move.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Yes it is a somewhat tame scene, but it is rock and there is debauchery to be found underneath logs and stuffed in the backs of drawers.



hmmm.. yeah true that. I should set my crack team of Progspin investigative reporters to finding it...  I'd start with Fripp.. you know he's probably got a few skeletons in the closet.
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Yes it is a somewhat tame scene, but it is rock and there is debauchery to be found underneath logs and stuffed in the backs of drawers.
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not enough sex or violence in prog to make it worth my while LOL
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Mike you should write a book (or at least a column).
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Depends on how you define "prog", but we are not having this conversation, are we?



a fun discussion for sure.. but ultimatelyu pointless as there is no answer.. only what the individual perceives it to be.

that said.. that is why I found this particular final to be so much more interesting than the one legged ass kicking contest of a classic final.  Sleepy

This one has sauce..  so what does one really prefer.. old school 'prog rock'.. or new school 'progressive rock'.  That is why Vegas couldn't figure out how this contest would go.. naturally there will be more old school fans here than those inclined to more expirmental or ground breaking music. Oh the irony.. but that is balanced out by Spirit of Eden being an album that will still be highly regarded in 50 years.. while the Hybris album lost to time. it simply isn't a special album. Just a popular one to today's prog fan.  Spirit of Eden was a watershed musical movement that launched a entirely distinct and still very relevant today musical movement..which has been embraced by the prog rock camp.. even if sounds nothing like old school prog.

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Very tough choice here as the Talkers album has become a new favorite of sorts.  Guess I will stir the pot with Spirit of Eden.
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Points: 13489 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2015 at 17:49
Hybris 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.

Hey the Nebs, no one talks about them anymore.   Love NoVa eXPReSS .


Me too. That was, incidentally, also the album I was thinking of.
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wow! I can't believe semi finals came down to Choirs of the Eye v De-loused v Within the Realm of a Dying Sun v Part the Second *rubs eyes* oh nevermind.

But I never expected talk talk to make it this far so that's pretty neat.  
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^^I absolutely adore PT and SWilson and I voted for double talkBig smile 

I still don't get the huge praise that Hybris gets - although it did help bring prog back on the map when it first came out. If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.



I think Hybris is the weakest Anglagard record. They hadn't really absorbed their influences.

5 Suns is an interesting case. Based on the Hackney Empire KC gig a couple of weeks ago, Guapo were if anything pre-emptively ripping off the 2015 version

I have only streamed a couple of the subsequent albums, but they didn't grab me either. Killer musicians though...but then again so are The Flower Kings.

As for your last remark: AAAAAARRGGHHH!!! Me so jealous. 
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.

Hey the Nebs, no one talks about them anymore.   Love NoVa eXPReSS .
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^^I absolutely adore PT and SWilson and I voted for double talkBig smile 

I still don't get the huge praise that Hybris gets - although it did help bring prog back on the map when it first came out. If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.



I think Hybris is the weakest Anglagard record. They hadn't really absorbed their influences.

5 Suns is an interesting case. Based on the Hackney Empire KC gig a couple of weeks ago, Guapo were if anything pre-emptively ripping off the 2015 version

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