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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 07:24
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Reviewers must be permitted to comment with impunity if they are to give their honest opinion of a piece of work, even if that is harsh or "unfair". Judging whether that harsh opinion is not an honest opinion is an "after-the-event" assessment that the reader is entitled to make, however, what we cannot do is presume that the reviewer is not being honest.

If we start imposing rules (above the normal standards of conduct implied by the Review Guidelines) then we are enforcing restrictions on reviewing practices that will also hamper fair and impartial reviews. 

Not every album is solid gold and a review is of the music presented, not of the effort involved in making it.

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There's nothing wrong with critique and ones opinion regarding an album, this is not the point I making here.
I do NOT think negative reviews without substance and actual description of the music/album content should be considered as a "review" because it clearly isn't. I could but won't actually show a review which the reviewer only named one single track on an album and even that name he wrote wrong. Another example would be a reviewer who said he doesn't like the singer while the album has 9 different singersLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 07:22
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Thanks Dean, I couldn't have said it better myself.

If you genuinely consider yourself a reviewer - or at the very least work as one, then you should also be able to voice your opinion when the album in question is poor. There are however many ways of doing so, and some people step over the line. That is why we have the report button (NOT because one's new fave album received a 1 star reviewWink).

Some of my favourite reviews are 1 and 2 star write ups. Hell, I still go back and read Bob's (ClemofNazareth) old Triumph reviewsLOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 07:20
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

... improper reviews should be reported, just as improper ratings or other counter-productive behavior that doesn't make positive contribution to the community. 

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Should we put them up against the wall and then what?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 07:15
I read movie reviews, and I've written a couple of concert reviews, but i'll never read a music review as long as I live.
Someone else's critical opinion of an album means nothing to me.
If I want to talk about the music I love i'll talk to someone else that loves it too.
 
should they be held responsible?  I guess so - sure. But it really doesn't matter much to me. When it comes to music - it's so damn personal that no one is wrong or right.
Anything I want to know as far as information goes (producer, players, history) I'll look it up if i'm so inclined.
 
I may have read a bit back in the day - I have Rolling Stone magazines going back to the 60's when they were on newsprint - but since the internet - I couldn't be bothered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 07:07
Reviewers must be permitted to comment with impunity if they are to give their honest opinion of a piece of work, even if that is harsh or "unfair". Judging whether that harsh opinion is not an honest opinion is an "after-the-event" assessment that the reader is entitled to make, however, what we cannot do is presume that the reviewer is not being honest.

If we start imposing rules (above the normal standards of conduct implied by the Review Guidelines) then we are enforcing restrictions on reviewing practices that will also hamper fair and impartial reviews. 

Not every album is solid gold and a review is of the music presented, not of the effort involved in making it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 05:13
I can say I have read quite a few reviewers' reviews that felt distinctively malevolent, cockeyed and meaningless to boot. I stopped reading them altogether Clown (almost). IMO, the reviewers' duty is to bring new music to the public's attention, not to tell you what you should think of it. And yes, improper reviews should be reported, just as improper ratings or other counter-productive behavior that doesn't make positive contribution to the community. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 02:51
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

2/5 Review

Didn't say atmosphere enough


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 01:38
2/5 Review

Didn't say atmosphere enough

Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 01:02
Sonia, every reviewer has their own way of approaching what they want to praise or criticize about the music they listen to. I can only relate to you my own personal approach, so I won't be speaking for others.

It's difficult for me to be overly critical and negative in much of what I write. I've given poorer reviews before, but there's only been rare examples, for a number of reasons:

a) I am not a musician, so I hardly feel like I can complain about an artists work compared to the ZERO albums that I've recorded!

b) Because the majority of my CD/LP collection is progressive related music, there's more than a good chance that there will be at least several elements - be it the instrumentation, the singing, the lyrics, etc - that will show intelligence, musical sophistication and/or inventive elements that are only worthy of praise, so those will be the things to focus on.

and c) Life is too short to focus on negative, demeaning things, and even if there's some albums that don't mean too much to me (and I know my better friends on here will know plenty of albums/artists that I don't particularly enjoy! , I'd rather simply leave those alone, let others who find more to praise in them do the positive write-ups, than me personally launching into a negative attack. Also, there's plenty of negative things I have personally going on in my life, that I prefer to focus my attention and energy on positive, exciting directions, and I think my usually mostly positive reviews reflect that.

Do I sometimes think `Man, I really should throw in a couple of negative reviews once in a while....'? Yes, absolutely! But I don't have the time, energy or mental space to take the time to be overly negative and put others efforts down, nor am I immature enough to want to ruffle people's feathers and get a reaction from them for the sake of sh*t-stirring.

Anyway, I'm sure I had a point in there somewhere, but I'd like to hear other reviewers feelings on the matter!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2015 at 00:07

There seems to be a very tight community among reviewers, this makes us forget about the bigger picture which is the music. Just because a reviewer took part of their precious time to review an album this by no means entitles them to overly bad negative criticism in  their review. Yes reviewers are not being paid by writing a review nor should bands be grateful for a negative review either.

Honest and unbiased opinions are important/crucial yes of course but nasty and unfounded reviews to me do not contribute anything to our prog society, quite the contrary, this does not benefit any of us (listener, prospect buyer or follower) and I think this to be most inconsiderable and disrespectable to any band. The effort, heart, time and soul bands take to produce an album plus financing with their own personal savings/funds to release an album should not be taken lithely. Most bands don’t even recover their initial costs inc. cd production etc.  

Thus for every review out there, there’s a band who at least deserve an honest opinion from a reviewer who took a considerable amount of time to listen to every track on their album.

Critique all you want but if a reviewer, being a collab or not, they too should be allowed to be judged by others and critiqued for their reviews good or bad and especially if they made no effort to describe an album while posting a review. This is only fair to me.

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Edited by Kati - January 30 2015 at 00:34
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