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Topic: Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins
Posted: June 03 2011 at 14:14

I'm in agreement with H.Ro.

There would be no problem moving the album, and the reviews would go with it OK.

What sub-genre would they be added to though?

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Posted: June 03 2011 at 04:42

It's what we usually do. Things get worse if the reviewer does not visit PA anymore.

I love logic, but those few people you've mentioned are always here. Wink

If Projekcts will be a separate entry, be so.

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Posted: June 03 2011 at 02:44

NotAProghead wrote:

I hope I'll be there, but my experience on this site tells me that duplications are almost guaranteed.

By the way, if duplications have reviews deleting them is like a Sisyphean task. Nobody, even mighty admins, can move reviews.

Well I have to imagine that Max could move a review if he really wanted to ;-), but you can always just delete the review and PM them the text for reposting, since it is unlikely more than one or two reviews would get into the duplicate before someone noticed.

I'm not saying that I'm certain it will not inconvenience anyone in the future, but I think logic for everybody else is far more important than a few stupid people doing stupid things.

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Posted: June 02 2011 at 17:49

Henry Plainview wrote:

And you will be there to delete them. You really shouldn't avoid doing something because of the chance someone may idiotically screw it up later.

It seems logical to me that if it wasn't released as King Crimson it shouldn't be under King Crimson. I think it's unlikely that someone will add duplicates later because even the noobiest of n00bs would stop and think for a moment that our King Crimson discography is probably complete, but even if someone did, deleting them will not be a Sisyphean task.

I hope I'll be there, but my experience on this site tells me that duplications are almost guaranteed.

By the way, if duplications have reviews deleting them is like a Sisyphean task. Nobody, even mighty admins, can move reviews.

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Posted: June 02 2011 at 10:34

Pekka wrote:

The other ProjeKcts have the project nature mentioned in the album title, I'd really like this to be that way as well. People are being misled with the current title, a review just came up which talks about it as a legitimate KC album, which by all accounts it is not.

Perfectly agreed. I edited the album to include the whole information.

RYM has the album under Jakko Jakszyk, Robert Fripp & Mel Collins, AllMusic under King Crimson and Wikipedia as "an album by Jakszyk, Fripp and Collins, as A King Crimson ProjeKct". Wacko

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Also, LOL @ Genesis being the #2 band on PA (there is no #1), and King Crimson being #191.

Edited by harmonium.ro - June 02 2011 at 10:36

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Posted: June 02 2011 at 07:12

NotAProghead wrote:

In my opinion it's better leave it under KC.

New entry "King Crimson ProjeKcts" will lead to new duplications. Believe me, one day somebody will add these ProjeKcts to KC discography. Smile

Edited by Henry Plainview - June 02 2011 at 07:14

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Posted: June 02 2011 at 02:24

The other ProjeKcts have the project nature mentioned in the album title, I'd really like this to be that way as well. People are being misled with the current title, a review just came up which talks about it as a legitimate KC album, which by all accounts it is not.

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Posted: June 01 2011 at 09:30

There is a long interview and explanation in # 17 of Classic Rock Presents Prog. I have yet to read it though. But this new album is presented as Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins in that feature.

I am far from being a KC expert so I don't know.

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Posted: May 31 2011 at 17:37

Bonnek wrote:

Andyman1125 wrote:

Why would we exclude this Projekct when we have two other Projekct albums included in KC's discog?

Both Projekct 2 and Projekct X have albums listed here.

What you could do is put (King Crimson Projekct) next to the title to elaborate why it is listed here.

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Posted: May 31 2011 at 16:37

Andyman1125 wrote:

Why would we exclude this Projekct when we have two other Projekct albums included in KC's discog?

Both Projekct 2 and Projekct X have albums listed here.

What you could do is put (King Crimson Projekct) next to the title to elaborate why it is listed here.

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Posted: May 29 2011 at 09:07

In my opinion it's better leave it under KC.

New entry "King Crimson ProjeKcts" will lead to new duplications. Believe me, one day somebody will add these ProjeKcts to KC discography. Smile

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Posted: May 29 2011 at 08:58

Why would we exclude this Projekct when we have two other Projekct albums included in KC's discog?

Both Projekct 2 and Projekct X have albums listed here.

What you could do is put (King Crimson Projekct) next to the title to elaborate why it is listed here.

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Posted: May 29 2011 at 07:42

I was just coming to request that to avoid confusion the phrase "A King Crimson ProjeKct" or rather the trio's name "Jakszyk, Fripp & Collins" be added in parentheses to the title. Perhaps in the perfect world it would read "A Scarcity of Miracles (A King Crimson ProjeKct by Jakszyk, Fripp & Collins)".

All About Jazz refers to it just by the trio name: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=39550 Quote from Fripp: "It has the Crimson gene," he says, "but is not quite KC."

Edited by Pekka - May 29 2011 at 07:47

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 22:31

It's not a KING CRIMSON album as far as i'm concerned even if the artwork looks like it is. I think if it was it would say KING CRIMSON without the "Projeckts" part added on.Just an opinion.

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 17:18

Would we be better served by giving KC ProjeKcts its own entry to give a degree of separation from pure KC and the project work?

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 14:43

Thanks for the comments guys. Yes, this is a ProjeKct indeed. Fripp also says it:

Fripp wrote:

Unexpectedly, the JJ & RF project became a ProjeKct, via JF&C and JF&C with L&H. Unexpected, but not surprising given the Crimson gene pool. And, for the first time since 1981, there is more English in the genes than American, in the ratio 4:1.

This unexpectedness is welcome: it suggests there is more going on than could be predicated merely on what has gone before. And yet, once here, there is familiarity; like meeting a close member of the family for the first time, one whose education & upbringing was elsewhere & outside the family town. If we were looking for precedent, such as while arguing for a particular Crimson line of development with former manager SG Alder Esq. of EG, this might be along the lines of song-based Crimson; in distinction to a developing Crimson instrumentality after 1972 with Larks’, Fracture, Red and onto Discipline et al. Songs are always problematic because they come with both lyricists and singers, sometimes the functions combined. That a given, I enjoy playing with good singers more than anything.

That doesn't make it a King Crimson album though - and my feeling is that the justification for this one being on the KC page is weaker than for previous projekcts.

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 14:30

stonebeard wrote:

It is a de facto King Crimson album. If we want to be really pedantic about it, hen mark all the Projeckts under different names.

BTW, the album cover says "A King Crimson Projeckt"

I wasn't aware of that. Leave it as it is is my final vote, then LOL

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 14:24

It is a de facto King Crimson album. If we want to be really pedantic about it, hen mark all the Projeckts under different names.

BTW, the album cover says "A King Crimson Projeckt"

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 13:35

WalterDigsTunes wrote:

ProjeKcts, as done in the late 90s, consist of fraKctalizations of the double trio. The spin-offs then go off and do improvised material as discrete entities. I would argue for isolating the ProjeKcts away from the main KC page, just as, say, Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe aren't under Yes. Similarly, this new 'ProjeKct' should gets its own page in the vein of Fripp and Eno or Giles Giles and Fripp.

That is, of course, unless someone mucks it up just as they did by sticking the Fripp/Sylvian stuff all over the place Ermm

Clearly, there is a rational argument for both scenarios.

I would suggest that this be considered carefully by the appropriate team. I would not have a problem with Projeckts being inside or outside the KC "family" to be honest.

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Posted: May 26 2011 at 13:22

ProjeKcts, as done in the late 90s, consist of fraKctalizations of the double trio. The spin-offs then go off and do improvised material as discrete entities. I would argue for isolating the ProjeKcts away from the main KC page, just as, say, Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe aren't under Yes. Similarly, this new 'ProjeKct' should gets its own page in the vein of Fripp and Eno or Giles Giles and Fripp.

That is, of course, unless someone mucks it up just as they did by sticking the Fripp/Sylvian stuff all over the place Ermm