Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins
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Topic: Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Subject: Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 05:58
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The forthcoming Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins album was added as a King Crimson album, which I strongly disagree with. The album is a "ProjeKct", but does that make it "King Crimson" too? Discuss. I'm reading Fripp's blog on a regular basis and he never referrs to the album in any other way than "Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins". Also, judging by the first released single, the music is not similar to KC, but sounds more like a Canterbury-flavoured Crossover prog.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 06:50
Few King Crimson albums are "similar" to King Crimson. Each lineup has a new sound, which to me makes them a prime example of Eclectic prog. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 06:55
| Yes but IMO this music doesn't sound like any of the ways KC have sounded in the past. So the question is "is this a new KC sound"? Fripp says it's related to KC, from the same "gene pool" to quote him, so IMO that's not enough. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 07:13
I have no idea. Is there a difference between King Crimson and "projekts?" ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 08:34
^ Essential question. I don't know the answer.  I've heard that the Projekcts are improvisations (hence certainly different to what you can hear on proper KC albums), but done by actual KC line-ups that we know from canonical KC releases. But we'll need expert opinion on this...
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 08:40
Oh, so like "Moonchild" and "Providence?"   ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 13:09
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Mojo magazine this month reviewed it as a the trio, rather than a KC Projeckt. I think the Projeckts should remain within the KC discography, as they are so closely related. However, this probably belongs as a separate entry, in much the same way that the Fripp collaborations with Eno & etc do. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 13:22
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ProjeKcts, as done in the late 90s, consist of fraKctalizations of the double trio. The spin-offs then go off and do improvised material as discrete entities. I would argue for isolating the ProjeKcts away from the main KC page, just as, say, Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe aren't under Yes. Similarly, this new 'ProjeKct' should gets its own page in the vein of Fripp and Eno or Giles Giles and Fripp. That is, of course, unless someone mucks it up just as they did by sticking the Fripp/Sylvian stuff all over the place  |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 13:35
Clearly, there is a rational argument for both scenarios. I would suggest that this be considered carefully by the appropriate team. I would not have a problem with Projeckts being inside or outside the KC "family" to be honest. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 14:24
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It is a de facto King Crimson album. If we want to be really pedantic about it, hen mark all the Projeckts under different names. BTW, the album cover says "A King Crimson Projeckt" ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 14:30
I wasn't aware of that. Leave it as it is is my final vote, then  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 14:43
Thanks for the comments guys. Yes, this is a ProjeKct indeed. Fripp also says it:
That doesn't make it a King Crimson album though - and my feeling is that the justification for this one being on the KC page is weaker than for previous projekcts. |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 17:18
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Would we be better served by giving KC ProjeKcts its own entry to give a degree of separation from pure KC and the project work?
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 26 2011 at 22:31
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It's not a KING CRIMSON album as far as i'm concerned even if the artwork looks like it is. I think if it was it would say KING CRIMSON without the "Projeckts" part added on.Just an opinion. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: May 29 2011 at 07:42
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I was just coming to request that to avoid confusion the phrase "A King Crimson ProjeKct" or rather the trio's name "Jakszyk, Fripp & Collins" be added in parentheses to the title. Perhaps in the perfect world it would read "A Scarcity of Miracles (A King Crimson ProjeKct by Jakszyk, Fripp & Collins)".
All About Jazz refers to it just by the trio name: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=39550" rel="nofollow - http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=39550 Quote from Fripp: "It has the Crimson gene," he says, "but is not quite KC." ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: May 29 2011 at 08:58
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Why would we exclude this Projekct when we have two other Projekct albums included in KC's discog? Both Projekct 2 and Projekct X have albums listed here. What you could do is put (King Crimson Projekct) next to the title to elaborate why it is listed here. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 29 2011 at 09:07
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In my opinion it's better leave it under KC.
New entry "King Crimson ProjeKcts" will lead to new duplications. Believe me, one day somebody will add these ProjeKcts to KC discography.  ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: May 31 2011 at 16:37
I was gonna say that I'm so sloooow  |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: May 31 2011 at 17:37
we're just on the same brainwave------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: June 01 2011 at 09:30
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There is a long interview and explanation in # 17 of Classic Rock Presents Prog. I have yet to read it though. But this new album is presented as Jakszyk, Fripp, Collins in that feature. I am far from being a KC expert so I don't know. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 02:24
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The other ProjeKcts have the project nature mentioned in the album title, I'd really like this to be that way as well. People are being misled with the current title, a review just came up which talks about it as a legitimate KC album, which by all accounts it is not. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 07:12
And you will be there to delete them. You really shouldn't avoid doing something because of the chance someone may idiotically screw it up later. It seems logical to me that if it wasn't released as King Crimson it shouldn't be under King Crimson. I think it's unlikely that someone will add duplicates later because even the noobiest of n00bs would stop and think for a moment that our King Crimson discography is probably complete, but even if someone did, deleting them will not be a Sisyphean task. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 10:34
Perfectly agreed. I edited the album to include the whole information. RYM has the album under http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/jakko_jakszyk__robert_fripp_and_mel_collins" rel="nofollow - Jakko Jakszyk, Robert Fripp & Mel Collins , AllMusic under King Crimson and Wikipedia as "an album by Jakszyk, Fripp and Collins, as A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Crimson" rel="nofollow - King Crimson ProjeKct".  EDIT Also, LOL @ Genesis being the #2 band on PA (there is no #1), and King Crimson being #191. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 02 2011 at 17:49
I hope I'll be there, but my experience on this site tells me that duplications are almost guaranteed. By the way, if duplications have reviews deleting them is like a Sisyphean task. Nobody, even mighty admins, can move reviews. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 03 2011 at 02:44
Well I have to imagine that Max could move a review if he really wanted to ;-), but you can always just delete the review and PM them the text for reposting, since it is unlikely more than one or two reviews would get into the duplicate before someone noticed. I'm not saying that I'm certain it will not inconvenience anyone in the future, but I think logic for everybody else is far more important than a few stupid people doing stupid things. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 03 2011 at 04:42
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It's what we usually do. Things get worse if the reviewer does not visit PA anymore. I love logic, but those few people you've mentioned are always here. If Projekcts will be a separate entry, be so.------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: June 03 2011 at 14:14
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I'm in agreement with H.Ro.
There would be no problem moving the album, and the reviews would go with it OK.
What sub-genre would they be added to though?
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