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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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Hi, I have no issues with the comparison, except one ... it is an attempt to make fun of Keith's work and not take it seriously. The same goes for TARKUS in the hands of Rachel Flowers ... a beautiful Piano Concerto, but none of us here will ever wish to raise the level of things beyond a stupid "song" ... and downplay the value of our generation's talents ... comparing it to Brahms? What's the point? Modern music is stupid and not worthy of the name? I would think that person is not listening to music at all, and has to create comparisons to point out his/her taste in music is far better than Keith's. Oh well ... subjectivity is alive and well on PA, specially when it is ridiculous and not exactly well founded in music directions and understanding ... so music has not changed since Brahms, and everyone else is crap! Had to happen on PA for sure!
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13232 |
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Like many such albums, Works 1 is a good album that could have been a great album distilled down to one record. In fact, I would go far as to say one could distill Works 1 and Works 2 into one album and have a masterpiece.
Side One "C'est la Vie" "Hallowed Be Thy Name" "L.A. Nights" "Nobody Loves You Like I Do" "Maple Leaf Rag" Side Two "Tiger in the Spotlight" "The Enemy God Dance with the Black Spirits" "I Believe in Father Christmas" "Fanfare for the Common Man" Stripped of bloat and pretension, focusing on songwriting yet still highlighting each member, the album could perhaps have been ELP's most popular. It would be fun (and the great addition of Joe Walsh on "L.A. Nights" is the very definition of fun). It certainly would have staved off ELP's eventual decline and stagnation, and might have even changed the pervading critical view of the band as prog dinosaurs. Edited by The Dark Elf - 2 hours 15 minutes ago at 07:58 |
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Floydoid ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2007 Location: Planet Prog Status: Offline Points: 1918 |
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Ah yes, and Monkman of course was another classically trained keyboardist / composer often in conflict with his other band members, notably leaving both Curved Air and Sky to move on... whether it was due to conflicting personalities I don't know. Edited by Floydoid - 5 hours 41 minutes ago at 04:32 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29560 |
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I love Aerie Fairie Nonsense most by The Enid. Yep RJG is one of a kind could even upstage Emerson with his antics when covering Hendrix at one famous festival back in the day!
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29560 |
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also Jobson - Wetton in UK?
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43575 |
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Another big shout-out for Robert John Godfrey - The Professor of Prog.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ROBERT JOHN GODFREY He may have the appearance of a college professor with his long beard and studious expression, but Robert John Godfrey is the main driving force behind THE ENID, the Symphonic Prog band that's been around now for well over 40 years. Although this album, "Fall of Hyperion" (1974), is billed as a Robert John Godfrey solo album, it's really an album by The Enid in all but name, and presumably, that's why this album is included at the beginning of The Enid albums roster on Prog Archives. Most importantly though, this album SOUNDS like The Enid, with all of the symphonic pomp and ceremony you might expect from such a distinguished Prog-meister as "Professor Godfrey". His first album release as The Enid, "In the Region of the Summer Stars"was released two years later in 1976, followed swiftly by the humorously-titled "Aerie Faerie Nonsense" album in 1977. This solo album "Fall of Hyperion" features vocals, although the first four albums by The Enid proper were all orchestral pieces with no lyrics. It wasn't until the release of the band's fifth album, "Something Wicked This Way Comes" in 1983, that lyrics were featured for the first time. Robert John Godfrey worked with Barclay James Harvest in the early 1970's before deciding to go solo. Godfrey and The Enid have 20 studio albums to their credit, and despite him being diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease in 2013, The Enid still continues to this day with many changes of line-up along the way. Although Robert John Godfrey has had to retire from touring due to his illness, he IS The Enid, because without keyboard maestro Godfrey ever- present at the helm, the band would never have existed. The album opens in grand symphonic style with "The Raven". This anthemic piece of music is so extravagantly ostentatious in in all of its glorious pomp and splendour, that you may feel the patriotic urge to stand up and give a rousing rendition of "Land of Hope and Glory", or maybe the "Star Spangled Banner" if you're an American. Yes, it really IS that anthemic. It's booming, it's bombastic, and it's fantastic! You really have to hear it to believe it. This grand stentorian, orchestral symphony would have been equally at home as a magnificent finale to the album. And so, how do you follow up such a marvellous 9-minute album opener? You follow it with "Mountain", a 7-minute-long, energetic and euphonic piece of music with classical glissandos galore. Even classical music buffs couldn't fail to be impressed by this flawless fugue. This theatrical and emotionally uplifting music is like Renaissance with knobs on, where the dynamic and dramatic classical influences are even more in evidence. This is masterful Symphonic Prog taken to even more powerful extremes of classical greatness. Sailing onwards now on a patriotic wave of glory, comes the 6-minute "Water Song". You can expect to hear a profusion of grand- sounding keyboard runs on the piano with the ever-present full orchestra there in all of their magnificent power and glory. Side Two opens with "Isault", an emotional powerful song with all of the grand theatrics of a BBC costume drama. It's grandiose and spectacular and just what we've come to expect by now from such an accomplished keyboard maestro as "Professor Godfrey". And now we come to "The Daemon of the World, a 15-minute long 6-piece suite to round off the album in grand style. Listen in awe and be prepared to be swept away by the magnificent grandstanding on display here in this powerful symphonic opus. It's melodious and triumphal with constant changes of tempo, staccato breaks, and sparkling fast and slow keyboard runs. This marvellous finale is sure to delight fans of The Enid and the whole Symphonic Prog genre generally. There's even the stentorian sound of a pipe organ thrown in for good measure. What more could you ask for!? A gloriously powerful album of passionate majestic anthems that's guaranteed to astound and delight fans of classically- inspired Symphonic Prog. This album might be described as overblown and pretentious (just like this review) by those who aren't in the know, but to prog aficionados, this is prog heaven! Let Robert John Godfrey carry you away to a Land of Hope and Glory in this unashamedly pompous and sonorous extravaganza. It's an absolute must-have album for connoisseurs and collectors of classic British Symphonic Prog. Edited by Psychedelic Paul - 7 hours 33 minutes ago at 02:40 |
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Floydoid ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2007 Location: Planet Prog Status: Offline Points: 1918 |
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Emerson was one of that band of keyboard plays who were inspired by the classics and were also aspiring composers, Along with Rod Argent, Rick Wakeman, and Jon Lord.
In the case of the bands Argent and ELP there was also the rivalry/conflict/contrast between the composer and the songwriter - i.e. Emerson-Lake and Argent-Ballard. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29560 |
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It's true that Piano Concerto No1 was a 'rock star' doing classical music and it's also true that the London Philharmonic were not invested in it (that story is in Emerson Auto-Bio ''Pictures Of An Exhibitionist''). However it's also perfectly okay to like and enjoy it. It was largely inspired by a combination of Aaron Copland's Appalachian Spring and Emerson's commute on the train between Brighton and London. It oozes grandeur and Emerson's personal feelings for his home and has some extremely memorable sections. I like it a lot. We don't need to compare it to Brahms. That is plainly rediculous.
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^ Oh please-- I like me some 'Sailors Hornpipe'
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Hosydi ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2024 Location: Rolling Hills Status: Offline Points: 825 |
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For those who frequently engage with classical music and are well-acquainted with the compositions of renowned composers, the initial two movements of Keith Emerson's Piano Concerto No. 1 may come across as lacking originality and exhibiting a formulaic structure. These movements do not have the richness or emotional depth of more typical concertos from the classical masters. The excessive use of standard forms and tropes dilutes the overall impact of the piece, rendering it less memorable than other pieces in the genre. Although the third movement in Emerson's concerto is more lively, it is also much different from the first two movements, and that inconsistency may disturb the listener in attempting to see cohesion within the work as a whole. A perfect concerto has to have stylistic coherence of some variety throughout its multiple movements, something that Piano Concerto No. 1 does not possess. Compared to piano concertos by renowned composers, such as those Keith Emerson aspired to be like, it lacks content. |
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Floydoid ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2007 Location: Planet Prog Status: Offline Points: 1918 |
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For me Emerson's side and the band side make for a very decent album. The rest I find a bit of a mixed bag.
And as for Works vol 2 - it's ELP's equivalent of Led Zeppelin's Coda, i.e. a bunch of leftover stuff from previous albums that wasn't worthy of release in the first place. |
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Nergdnur Ddot ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 25 2025 Location: The Many Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Only Lake's material? What about Piano Concerto No. 1? It's a
genuinely good avant-garde, psychedelic, neo-classical song. It's on par
with The Nice live records such as Five Bridges. Yes, it is messy, but
isn't that the point of this kind of music?
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18105 |
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Hi, That concerto is not the only one ... TARKUS, is, a concerto, and you only need to hear it in Rachel Flower's hands to get it. We forget that if you were 20 years old and showed a professor your "composition" (at the time) things like Tarkus would get slapped raw and that pretty much shows why some great keyboard players gave up graduate school to play in a band ... they could not do what they really wanted to do. By the time of WORKS, I think that there was much more appreciation for what a Concerto was, and Keith creating that piece is a testament, about what he thought was unfair in the educational system, and TARKUS had to be presented in a style that highlighted the keyboards, instead of the concerto it was. That was not an "accident" ... it was how things were appreciated in those days ... you kinda had to blow it all out with all the incendiary elements at your disposal. And pretty much all major keyboard players did it, and did it well ... with RW being the only one, to my knowledge, that has not quite gone back and done his works on solo piano, so he could show his work, which in my book is almost the same riffs on different keyboards! WORKS is magnificent ... and stands out ... and it is a shame, that folks don't take a look at history and see what was available at the time in all kinds of lists ... and the appreciation for their work would be much more open and appreciated. Instead some folks think it is over rated stuff ... like the majority of the top 50 of last year were not overblown and not even close to the adventurous work by ELP in the series WORKS. Please take a look at the history at the time, before making the comments ... it makes quite a difference.
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TheLionOfPrague ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1069 |
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As a big ELP fan, I'm NOT a big fan of these albums.
I love Pirates, Fanfare and C'est la Vie from the first album but that's about it. The Piano Concerto is nice but just feels out of place. I love Lake's ballads but they are not very inspired aside from the one I mentioned, although they are still listenable. Palmer is just not a composer, giving him one side of an album was never going to end well, although it's better than Nick Mason's side on Ummagumma at least. The band side, unsurprisingly, is great. Vol 2 is just leftovers mostly and show a different side of the band but the songs are just not that good. And I like a lot some of the songs from previous albums in a similar vein that some people seem to dislike like Jeremy Bender, The Sheriff, etc. They did signal the beginning of the end for ELP, it would have been better for them to release solo albums and then do a proper album together instead of this half-arsed mix.
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43575 |
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I was hugely disappointed when I heard Throbbing Gristle's 20 Jazz Funk Greats for the first time recently, because I really was expecting to hear some Jazz Funk Greats, but instead, it turned out to be an unlistenable Avant Prog album.
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Octopus II ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 21 2023 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 12492 |
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I have always been a big fan of both Works albums.
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2952 |
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Agreed - the post-modern irony of the cover of 'Love Beach' is also lost on most prog fans. Throbbing Gristle did something similar with '20 Jazz Funk Greats' atop Beachy Head.
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6810 |
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I enjoy Carl Palmer's side too. I agree with your mini-review. 
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