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    Posted: December 28 2016 at 13:11
'Tull and 'Giant had occasional metal guitar riffs sprinkled throughout.
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The Australian underated band called "Good rats" and their 1974 "Tasty" L.P.
It was an absoutely amazing record where Hard rock clearly turns to Prog


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For early 80's prog rock that boasts some metal in their sound but would not be categorized as metal due to it being only one element of the overall sound...Japan had more than a few acts doing exactly that.

Novela were one of the first...here's a track from 1980.
Starless (whom I dig), a female fronted prog act with hard rock and metal elements, released their first album in 1985. Here's a track from it.

Like how some of theJapanese bands at the time were named after classic 70's Brit albums.Smile

Also, lots of kimono wearing in the metal scene from Ningen-isu to Onmyo-Za. Shouldn't be a surprise though.Tongue

As for ancient Greek culture as a metal theme, the most brash, cheesiest, most metal lovin' heavy metal band of them all, Manowar, has a 28 minute epic song called "Achilles, Agony and Ecstasy in Eight Parts" on their The Triumph of Steel album.LOL
No shortage of Greek mythology-based metal tracks for sure, such as "Flight of Icarus" by Iron Maiden.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

There were metal bands influenced by prog in the '80s, but they were considered metal and not prog. Since the 80s there has been a growing metal influence in some prog. So, from my view, the OP is looking for a metal band from the 80s that was influenced by prog, not a prog band from the 90s influenced by metal.

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I was thinking that Scorpions did not really start their metal/thrash until their 3rd album ... "In Trance" I think it was called ... in 1975. "Lonesome" Crow was more "progressive", if the long cut fits, then "Fly to the Rainbow" was more of a trip and rock/blues thing ... and then "In Trance", it went totally out and loud and rip!

I still like the album "Fly to the Rainbow" a heck of a lot! There are a couple of things worth playing in a show from that album that stand out, whereas most anything else after ... is too much the same for my ear. Some good things here and there, though, no doubt!

I, much more, thought that things like Edgar Broughton Band, that were way too weird and far out were very "metallic" in that they were very raw ... and when they cleaned up stuff neatly, they did "Oora" and "Bandages", and both those albums are sublime, although not quite "metal", but with some really special touches.

On interest, is Tony McPhee with The Groundhogs. And "Crosscut Saw" and "Black Diamond" are very heavy power blues, with a lot of metal touches, though I think that many folks get turned of by his singing, but when you hear "Live Right", it's enough for you to go ... wow ... that's well done! And you go back, and yeah it is.

I was thinking Uriah Heep, but honestly I fell out of that loop, even with Deep Purple in the midst of it at the time. The European scene and many other bands were far better defined and interesting for me.
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Points: 8581 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2016 at 09:35
What a bizarre framework for this question. The 80's were a time of killing prog elements, not adding elements to it.

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There are lots of metal bands with prog elements.  Most of the suggestions here fall under that category.  As doe prog bands with metal elements, other than the very obvious King Crimson?  Jethro th Tull flirted with metal every once in a while.  If you are willing to stretch a point you might say that Yes included teeny tiny bits of metal on Fragile anf CTTE.  Honestly though, the influence has been nearly entirely prog to metal until metsl exploded in popularity in the '80's.
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Having grown up with a brother who was an early metal head I have to say, without hesitation or question, that Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, Humble Pie, Alvin Lee, Jeff Beck Group, Blind Faith, Thin Lizzy, Nazareth, AC/DC and even Uriah Heep and Rush were quintessential to the original "Heavy Metal" assignation. Any of those bands who have been admitted as "prog bands" or even proto- or prog-related earn my vote for the answer to the OP.   
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Taurus II by Mike Oldfield is pretty hard rocking:
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I was just checking out Mike Oldfields apreciation thread, and someone mentioning Hergest Ridge just reminded me of a very distorted guitar section at the middle of side two that could actually be considered to sound something near metal, so I might dare consider that one has both prog and metal elements.
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Points: 12732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2016 at 21:16
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I personally think that Rush's Permant Waves makes more sense for the topic since he's asking for post 70s, and Permanent Waves was released on January 1st, 1980.
I wonder if he means bands that debuted post 70s, though. The OP combined with topic title is rather ambiguous to me even with the explanation.



Yes, I did. I was interested in hearing about bands post seventies at the minimum. I guess I wasn't too clear about that and I also wasn't clear in the title(but there's only so much room). I apologize for the confusion. Confused

In my mind however there wasn't really any metal elements in prog until the 90's. There were proto metal elements(Uriah Heep, Rush and King Crimson for example)but I don't necessarily consider them metal enough and even if I did they were pre 80's. Unlike many on here I never really considered Rush to be a metal band anyway. Does singing about ancient greek culture and technology and wearing Kimonos scream metal to you? To me it sure doesn't. Maybe if there is such a thing as geek metal but to me that would be an oxymoron. Metal is suppose to be about blood and death and sex and throwing the horns. Isn't it? Tongue It's interesting to me that Rainbow hasn't been mentioned. Wouldn't they be just as valid as Rush? Or were they not prog enough? Not really sure. I only have their first album and need to listen to it again.

Since you guys mentioned it and since my title didn't say post seventies I'm ok with exploring pre 80's. 

For me the best examples of songs that combined prog metal or early metal with prog(or by bands who were more prog) would be :

Genesis- The Knife (maybe the musical box too)
King Crimson- 21st century Schizoid man, pictures of a city, larks tongues in aspic part one, red
Pink Floyd- The Nile song
Deep Purple- Child in Time
Uriah Heep (first album)
Black Sabbath (well I hear prog elements in there although I admit the prog elements were stronger on later albums)

Also, the band High Tide were apparently the first(or at least one of the first)to combine prog with metal(or metallish elements or at least or heavy/hard rock)




From Rainbow you should check out Rising... and the live album On Stage. I just got the first one recently, and I found it very enjoyable, but Rising is better, and "Watcher of the Skies" is my favourite song from them... plus perhaps a perfect example of what you want as an early mix of prog and metal. On Stage has some songs from the first one, and for me they are much better.
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Points: 18269 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2016 at 17:59
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Porcupine Tree

Well, they didn't  introduce metal elements until 2002. I would say hard rock before that but maybe  not quite metal. In 2000 the band Arena put out "Immortal?" which had metal elements but I think there were bands before them. 
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If the 70s are ruled out, so lets have a look at the 80s.
 
Progressive Rock and Hard Rock where children of the same mother in the 70s, so where Heavy Metal
and Neo Prog in the 80s.
 
Actually there wasn't a difference between the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM) and the New Wave of British Progressive Rock (NWOBPR) at all. The Neo Prog bands where considered as part of the HM revival.
 
Some bands where clearly part of both worlds like
 
Omega (who also performed as Metal band Apocalypse)
 
or Kooga
 
or Demon


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Well, the same band has another album from 1972 who is from the same vein from that one..
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^Oh yeah, that's the album that was listed(on here and on gnosis)as being from 1969 which it is most clearly not. Lol. I checked discogs and the actual release date of that Jacula is 2001. It's possible the material was written and conceived in 1969 but listen to the guitars, the drum sound and the over all production. Other than the guitar it's not really that metallish imo. 
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Maybe i'm terrible wrong, but i can fell a dense atmosphere from this album only recreated in some black metal albums, and it's pretty heavy sometimes too
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