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    Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:12
As there are overlooked bands, there are also songs that commited to crime of having been recorded in albums where there are other bigger, more famous masterpieces. The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot. The song is a masterpiece of masterpieces, having everything I could ask for of a song in just 5 minutes, almost in the level of "Firth of Fifth", yet it's always forgotten next to the monster epic "Supper's Ready". Nobody ever mentions that song, and it's as big a masterpiece as it's 4-times longer neighbor.
 
Any other example you'd like to mention?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:16
My vote goes to the vastly underappreciated "To Be Over" on the Relayer album by Yes.  It goes through many contrasting moods, the uplifting lyrics actually make sense, Howe performs a breathtakingly hot solo out of the blue and the intertwining countermelodies at the end fascinate me every time.  I never tire of hearing it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:20
I don't know if it's really overlooked, but the first example that comes to my mind is Yes' "Siberian Khatru"... A fantastic song that is overshadowed by the two epics that precede it. Personally, I think it's much better than "And You And I", but I am not sure if many people share my opinion.

Another similar case is "Have a Cigar" on Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here, the one sung by Roy Harper. Luckily, Roger Waters rescued it from oblivion, and played it during his 2006 tour. It's a great, hard rockin' song with great lyrics, but far too many people seem to think it's just filler.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:35
Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

My vote goes to the vastly underappreciated "To Be Over" on the Relayer album by Yes.  It goes through many contrasting moods, the uplifting lyrics actually make sense, Howe performs a breathtakingly hot solo out of the blue and the intertwining countermelodies at the end fascinate me every time.  I never tire of hearing it.


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After the ferocity of "Sound Chaser", this track was absolutely perfect.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:53
Quote Can-Utility and the Coastliners

That is my favorite off of the album :)

Also, I love "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)," but it seems to be frowned upon because it isn't "proggy."  It is such a fun song!  I love the flute in it too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:16
Lizard by King Crimson. There is a strange and pleasant atmosphere through the song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:22
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot.


Its the most often mentioned "most overlooked" song I know of. It probably means its not really that overlooked.
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:33
Kansas - How My Soul Cries Out For You - Monolith. 1979
Steve Howe - Look Over Your Sholder - Steve Howe Album.1979
Pink Floyd - Stay. - Obscured By Clouds.1972
Genesis - Get  Em Out By Friday - Foxtrot.1972
Jethro Tull - Left Right - The Night Cap.1995
ELP - Tank - ELP.1970
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:43
Please do not just list song titles here, this is a discussion section.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 13:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:03
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As there are overlooked bands, there are also songs that commited to crime of having been recorded in albums where there are other bigger, more famous masterpieces. The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot. The song is a masterpiece of masterpieces, having everything I could ask for of a song in just 5 minutes, almost in the level of "Firth of Fifth", yet it's always forgotten next to the monster epic "Supper's Ready". Nobody ever mentions that song, and it's as big a masterpiece as it's 4-times longer neighbor.
 
Any other example you'd like to mention?

is it only me or has anybody else noticed the similarities between "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" and "Astral Traveller" from the second Yes-album "Time and a Word"? not only is the riff the same (dah dah dah da-da-da), the keyboard solo is almost identical


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:13
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

My vote goes to the vastly underappreciated "To Be Over" on the Relayer album by Yes.  It goes through many contrasting moods, the uplifting lyrics actually make sense, Howe performs a breathtakingly hot solo out of the blue and the intertwining countermelodies at the end fascinate me every time.  I never tire of hearing it.


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After the ferocity of "Sound Chaser", this track was absolutely perfect.
 
I completely agree with that,
Yes seems to have lots of overlooked gems, but that's mainly because some of their songs are so good that they overshadow themselves. Other Yes songs that IMO are often overlooked include; Future Times/Rejoice (Tormato), Hearts, Changes (90125), South Side Of The Sky (Fragile), Magnification (same) and I probably overlook a lot of other songs that deserve a mention.
 
another song that I think is great, but doesn't get much mentioning is She Cameleon from Marillion (Fugazi) I think it's one of the best Marillion tunes, but when the album comes up in conversation it's always about the title track, Assassin and Incubus.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:22
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As there are overlooked bands, there are also songs that commited to crime of having been recorded in albums where there are other bigger, more famous masterpieces. The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot. The song is a masterpiece of masterpieces, having everything I could ask for of a song in just 5 minutes, almost in the level of "Firth of Fifth", yet it's always forgotten next to the monster epic "Supper's Ready". Nobody ever mentions that song, and it's as big a masterpiece as it's 4-times longer neighbor.
 
Any other example you'd like to mention?

is it only me or has anybody else noticed the similarities between "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" and "Astral Traveller" from the second Yes-album "Time and a Word"? not only is the riff the same (dah dah dah da-da-da), the keyboard solo is almost identical
 
Haven't heard that... but curiosity has been sparked... even if Yes, while good, doesn't get even close to Genesis in my preferences... It may be interesting to see some influencing there....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:42
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As there are overlooked bands, there are also songs that commited to crime of having been recorded in albums where there are other bigger, more famous masterpieces. The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot. The song is a masterpiece of masterpieces, having everything I could ask for of a song in just 5 minutes, almost in the level of "Firth of Fifth", yet it's always forgotten next to the monster epic "Supper's Ready". Nobody ever mentions that song, and it's as big a masterpiece as it's 4-times longer neighbor.
 
Any other example you'd like to mention?

is it only me or has anybody else noticed the similarities between "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" and "Astral Traveller" from the second Yes-album "Time and a Word"? not only is the riff the same (dah dah dah da-da-da), the keyboard solo is almost identical
 
Haven't heard that... but curiosity has been sparked... even if Yes, while good, doesn't get even close to Genesis in my preferences... It may be interesting to see some influencing there....

here a YouTube live version; in the studio version the similarity is even more obvious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJKKrgpxK4&search=Yes+prog


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 15:24
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Ahhh.. love brufords druming on that one, and yes there is a litle similarity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 15:32
Van der Graaf's "Lost"
Yes' "Perpetual change"
King Crimson's "In the wake of Podeidon"
Gentle Giant's "Wreck"
PFM's "Via Lumiere"
Marillion's "She Chameleon"
Pink Floyds' "Summer '68"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 15:59
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Please do not just list song titles here, this is a discussion section.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:13
I've always liked "A Venture" by Yes very much: short, but intriguing and "minimal". In general, short pieces are often overlooked: "Breve Immagine" by Le Orme, "Sequent C" by Tangerine Dream, "For Absent Friends" by Genesis, "Vital Signs" by Rush...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:14
My Floyd pick would be 'Fearless' - it's the Can-Utility of Meddle, overlooked because of 'One of These Days' and 'Echoes'.  I do agree with the statement that these sonds are talked about as 'overlooked' so much that they can't really be that overloked.

Other great songs that come to mind from BIG albums are 'Epitaph' from In the Court of the Crimson King, and 'One More Red Nightmare' from Red (ferocious Bruford on the latter).  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:31
There's several I can think of.
Her Voices on PoS's The Perfect Element is a stunning track but seems to get overlooked by TPE and King of Loss (and to a lesser extent Idioglossia and In the Flesh).
Emerald Lies is a stunning track that rocks out and has moments of quiet beauty.
Endless Sacrifice is the best song on Dream Theaters Train of Thought, but always seems to get passed over for the repetative Stream of Consciesness.
Another great Marillion song that gets passed over is Berlin, simply stunning.
 
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