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Poll Question: Which of this bands do you like the most?
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    Posted: December 31 2005 at 11:29

Yes - Heart Of The Sunrise, South Side Of The Skies, Machine Messiah e.t.c

Genesis - The Knife, The Return Of The Giant Hogweed, Firth Of Fifth e.t.c

King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man, The Great Deceiver, Red e.t.c

Gentle Giant - Why Not?, Wreck, Giant e.t.c

Kansas - Carry On Wayward Son, The Wall, Magnum Opus e.t.c

Deep Purple - Child In Time, Pictures Of Home, Burn e.t.c

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King Crimson

But what do they have to do with prog metal? 
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These band did NOT invent prog metal!

Prog metal evolved from music by Watchtower, Fates Warning and Queensryche!!

But If I had to pick one that influenced progressive metal bands the most then that would be King Crimson...
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have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree?  
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree?  

I see fathers as those that actually created the genre... So why aren't Uriah Heep classified under prog metal?
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Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree?  

I see fathers as those that actually created the genre... So why aren't Uriah Heep classified under prog metal?



a mistake, perhaps?  Why isn't ELO included on this site... anywhere... including even under the 'big umbrella' of prog related.  Just because they aren't 'classified' as prog metal, doesn't mean that they weren't, or may have been,  a father of it.  Some bands are rather hard to classify, Gentle Giant for example. Symphonic?... but where else to put them.
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I think that Rush are the Fathers of Prog Metal. Early King Crimson are heavy at times, but their songwriting is not very similar to common prog metal structures ... combine Rush with Judas Priest, and you get an idea of Proto Prog Metal. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I think that Rush are the Fathers of Prog Metal. Early King Crimson are heavy at times, but their songwriting is not very similar to common prog metal structures ... combine Rush with Judas Priest, and you get an idea of Proto Prog Metal. 


isn't it true that Rush's style was influenced by what Uriah Heep had been doing years earlier?  Rush may have popularized it, but were they the fathers of it?
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The thing is,I find Deep Purple and Uriah Heep to be very similar,yet they both are classified under different sub-genres.Heep=Art Rock and DP=Proto prog.A bit misleading.

As for the question,the roots of prog-metal goes back to the early 70's:Heep,DP,Zeppelin,UFO,Rainbow,Whitesnake,Sabbath,Mountai n,Thin Lizzy,and yes,the 72-74 Crimson.
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It has to be King Crimson....and I dont see Yes, Gentle Giant or Genesis anywhere near metal...maybe Jethro Tull!
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2005 at 12:28

Of that list, Deep Purple, obviously.

However, bands like Judas Priest, (Dio) Rainbow, (Dio) Black Sabbath, Diamond Head and Metallica (not to mention a host of NWOBHM bands for whom progressive was just a part of the whole thing) did far more to progress metal as a genre before Queensryche came along and claimed the mantle.

P.S. ...is that a touch of Marillion I hear on "The Warning"? "Punch, punch, punch..."

 
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IMO Rush, Deep Purple, King Crimson have influenced prog metal  from a prog side of view

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21st Century Schizoid Man... it is the root of Metal

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree?  

That's a reasonable statement.  A lot of their stuff is "heavy metal".
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I think that Rush are the Fathers of Prog Metal. Early King Crimson are heavy at times, but their songwriting is not very similar to common prog metal structures ... combine Rush with Judas Priest, and you get an idea of Proto Prog Metal. 

I agree albums like A Farewell to Kings and Moving Pictures have a lot of influence on Progressive Metal.  I could easily see a band like Dream Theater writing a song very similar to YYZ.  Primus even played YYZ live, well more like half of it, but hey they tried.

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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:37

Out of the bands in your list,definitely King Crimson.

Including those other bands in a poll that states..."fathers of prog metal" is laughable.

EDIT-I totally missed Deep Purple in the list of choices...gotta change my vote to DP.



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Points: 16916 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:41
Out of that list, King Crimson of course, but where is the all mighty Rush?
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Since the question says "Which of this bands do you like the most?", I voted Yes
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Deep Purple are the only metal band on that list, and they definately had some progressive aspects so they win easily.
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