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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 16:19 |
Thellama73, I'm probably a little hard on Fragile's `Cans and Brahms', but I'm much more forgiving of it these days! I used to just press `skip' straight away, like a knee-jerk reaction, but these days I just let it play.
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 17:25 |
^I like it, well, i really like Brahms, so i guess my perspective is slanted.
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 17:37 |
Is it a good interpretation, Doug? I assumed that classical purists would have really disliked it!
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 17:49 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Is it a good interpretation, Doug? I assumed that classical purists would have really disliked it! |
Some people strictly classical would have an issue with it, as the music originally was scored for symphony orchestra (It is from the 3rd movement "Scherzo" of Brahm's 4th Symphony) and it is mainly keys that are in the Yes version. Myself, though i prefer the original symphony movement, and i am a classical music person big time, i still can dig the Yes take on it. The music and pacing in the Yes piece are pretty accurate, so yeah, i'd say it is a good interpretation.
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 18:07 |
Thanks for the info! I've really been too hard on it, especially considering it's so short. Hardly like an album-breaker or anything!
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 19:13 |
Wow Dellinger, very interesting! That's from one of the only Wakeman solo albums I truly enjoy all of, so you're right, would have made `Fragile' even better!
I assume if he'd been allowed to include his own original piece, in keeping with the shorter solo pieces scattered throughout `Fragile', it would have been in an edited form, or at least a much shorter arrangement?
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 20:50 |
I guess this has turned into the YES appreciation thread. Great band and essential prog of the 70's era for sure. No too many better.
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 20:58 |
Progbethyname! I was worried about that, so time to turn this train around! Zeqexes, go ahead and buy either of those two albums! You can't go wrong with either...and start planning on your next album/band that isn't Yes!
As for a recommendation - how about the highly regarded `Camel - Moonmadness'?
You mentioned in your original post that up until now you'd only been listening to more modern stuff, why don't you tell us which modern prog artists/albums you've been listening to, and we can suggest 70's albums that might appeal to you along the lines of your current listens?
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 21:36 |
Ok - I had a look around in my local CD store today - and it turns out they actually have a lot! All of the bands like ELP, Jethro Tull and King Crimson were in the 'popular' section. I was going to get Fragile, but someone must have bought it since I had been there last. I ended up getting Thick As a Brick, I'll listen to it later today.
Aussie-Byrd-Brother, you'll see that at the start of this whole thread, I mention modern bands and artists that I like, but I'll recap for you.
I'm big fans of all of these artists: DT, Porcupine Tree, Steven Wilson, Opeth, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, Haken, and even some Nightwish.
I think you sort of don't need to suggest anything right now, I've got a small list of 70s albums to get, and another list of modern albums to get. But all the same, recommendations are always good.
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 22:08 |
No, not a problem, mate, you've clearly been pointed in the right direction and are sure to pick up some fine albums! Happy hunting!
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 22:33 |
Fragile has filler in it, so i would advise to buy The Yes Album, Close to the Edge, Time and a Word, or Going for the One instead.
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 22:46 |
On the other hand, many people (myself included) consider the filler to be very good. (Although I must admit I'm no fan of Cans and Brahms either.)
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 23:58 |
zeqexes wrote:
Ok - I had a look around in my local CD store today - and it turns out they actually have a lot! All of the bands like ELP, Jethro Tull and King Crimson were in the 'popular' section. I was going to get Fragile, but someone must have bought it since I had been there last. I ended up getting Thick As a Brick, I'll listen to it later today.Aussie-Byrd-Brother, you'll see that at the start of this whole thread, I mention modern bands and artists that I like, but I'll recap for you. I'm big fans of all of these artists: DT, Porcupine Tree, Steven Wilson, Opeth, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, Haken, and even some Nightwish. I think you sort of don't need to suggest anything right now, I've got a small list of 70s albums to get, and another list of modern albums to get. But all the same, recommendations are always good. |
Tangerine Dream is another fine artist of the entire 70's era. Albums like PHEADRA and RUBYCON are just insanely good. They'll help broaden your sound scope for sure. Help get you more in touch with electronic Ambience type sound. 😉
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Posted: September 28 2012 at 00:15 |
I'll give you a recommendation that is typically overlooked. Jade warrior "Released" and/or Jade Warrior "Last Autumn's Dream. The band never caught on, I think because of lack of support from the record company they were signed to. But they have all the musicianship, symphonic qualities, dynamic contrast, and pent up aggression as the best of the era, yet still unique as one of the first bands, for instance, to experiment with World Music. Throw in lyrics with "dragon kings" and "circle of orientation spells" and they're nice way enter the era.
BTW, I love the Battle of Epping Forest, hilarious. When it comes to Firth of Fifth I absolutely adore the guitar solo, but care very little for any of the rest of it. I found I was able to enjoy More Fool Me when I entered my forties. Excessive maturity required.
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Posted: September 30 2012 at 12:17 |
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I love our new progger. Starting off the 70's well. SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND will grow on you and stay with you for years to come. |
That's already 2nd generation of the early prog ... but it shows you how much people can not listen to the strange and weird things that helped Eno put his stamp on this album as well on Side 3.
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Posted: September 30 2012 at 12:43 |
SYMPHONIC PROG: Yes, Genesis, Rennesaince, Camel CANTERBURY SCENE: Kahn, Caravan, The Soft Machine, Gong RIO/AVANTE while centered around more the 60s, Frank Zappa PROGRESSIVE ELECTRONIC: Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk SPACE ROCK: Pink Floyd CROSSOVER PROG: Kevin Gilbert, Mike Oldfield, Supertramp, The Moody Blues ECLECTIC PROG: Peter Hammil, Steve Hackett, Van Derr Graff Generator, King Crimson, Gentle Giant HEAVY PROG: Rush, Uriah Heep KRAUTROCK: Can, Popol Vuh PROG FOLK: Jethro tull ROCK PROGRESSIVO ITALIANO: Premiata Forneria Marcorni, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Area ZHEUL: Dun, Magma
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Posted: October 01 2012 at 18:24 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Wow Dellinger, very interesting! That's from one of the only Wakeman solo albums I truly enjoy all of, so you're right, would have made `Fragile' even better!
I assume if he'd been allowed to include his own original piece, in keeping with the shorter solo pieces scattered throughout `Fragile', it would have been in an edited form, or at least a much shorter arrangement? |
I would hope not... but it's all hypothetical anyway. If you check the line-ups for each song on 6 wives, you'll notice that Catherine of Aragon is basically played by Yes, only without Anderson, and add female backing vocals and some other guy for extra guitars or percussions, or something.
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Posted: October 01 2012 at 18:25 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Progbethyname! I was worried about that, so time to turn this train around! Zeqexes, go ahead and buy either of those two albums! You can't go wrong with either...and start planning on your next album/band that isn't Yes!
As for a recommendation - how about the highly regarded `Camel - Moonmadness'?
You mentioned in your original post that up until now you'd only been listening to more modern stuff, why don't you tell us which modern prog artists/albums you've been listening to, and we can suggest 70's albums that might appeal to you along the lines of your current listens? |
Actually, for Camel albums, I prefer Mirage. That was the first I got and really love it.
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Posted: October 01 2012 at 18:44 |
Dellinger wrote:
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
As for a recommendation - how about the highly regarded `Camel - Moonmadness'?
stens? |
Actually, for Camel albums, I prefer Mirage. That was the first I got and really love it. |
Ha! Well `Moonmadness' was the first Camel album I heard, so probably why we have such strong feelings towards those specific albums!
A friend of mine started getting into Camel about a year ago, and I told him that any of their albums from the self-titled debut up to about `Rain Dances' are all first-rate albums. He REALLY liked `Mirage' too, and to be honest, I think he was let down by the mellow and `dreamy' style on `Moonmadness' by comparison to the guitar-heavy `Mirage'!
But in keeping with this thread topic, ANY of the 70's Camel albums up until `Rain Dances' would be great purchases!
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