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The Whistler
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 02:49 |
Keith Moon.
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 02:56 |
The Whistler wrote:
Keith Moon. |
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The Whistler
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 03:00 |
Atavachron wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
Keith Moon. |
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Well, tis so! Most important? Ha! Dude was like the Hendrix of drummers; he inspired Carl Palmer. Best? Totally. His drumming could be rythmic, lyrical, or lend itself to the sound effects.
The only guy on that list that can touch him...that I've heard anyways...is Bruford. And Bruford is, of course, scarily good. But Keith was the best.
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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JOE MORRIS
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 03:07 |
Evandro Martini wrote:
Carl Palmer rules! I'm still perplex with his solo I watched last March. How can a human being produce the music he produces? |
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BOTH I SAW AJA YEARS AGO IN PITTBURG, NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING ELP, BUT WENT TO SEE CARL. THE SHOW WAS OK, BUT I ALMOST CRAPPED MY PANTS DURIGN THE DRUM SOLO.
HE COULD THROW HIS STICKS UNDER NEATH HIS ARM PITS WHILE HES PLAYING AND THEY WOULD COME UP RIGHT OVER HIS SHOULDERS AND HE WOULD CATCH THEM EVERYTIME. I WAS LIKE 17 THEN
WELL NEEDLESS TO SAY I HAD OVER 300 STICKS IN THE BACK OF MY BEDROOM TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT. I NEVER DID GET IT. LOTS HARDER THAN IT LOOKS PLUS I GOT TIRED OF PICKING ALL THE STICKS UP
GREAT DRUMMER AND HES NOT THAT YOUNG AND STILL KICKED SOME SERIOUS ASS
KUDOS
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JOE MORRIS
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JOE MORRIS
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 03:40 |
The Whistler wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
Keith Moon. |
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Well, tis so! Most important? Ha! Dude was like the Hendrix of drummers; he inspired Carl Palmer. Best? Totally. His drumming could be rythmic, lyrical, or lend itself to the sound effects.
The only guy on that list that can touch him...that I've heard anyways...is Bruford. And Bruford is, of course, scarily good. But Keith was the best. |
WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE PEOPLE ALWAYS COMPARED ME TO KEITH MOON. NO AGRUMENT FROM ME. HE WAS AWESOME
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JOE MORRIS
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Okocha
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 04:54 |
For me only one in this poll is standing out!!!!!!!!!And it's Bruford!!!!!!!!!!I think that anyone voting for another drummer hasn't heard or paid attention on Brufford's drums!!!
Except Cobham.I haven't heard any of his works so I don't have an opinion...
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 04:57 |
Okocha wrote:
For me only one in this poll is standing out!!!!!!!!!And it's Bruford!!!!!!!!!! I think that anyone voting for another drummer hasn't heard or paid attention on Brufford's drums!!! |
oh come on, I love Bill too but be serious.
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Disconnect
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 07:41 |
Most important = Neil Peart
I say that because I have known more people who have taken up drumming because of his work with Rush. Bruford is a very close second in terms of importance. Bruford's name is not as recognized outside of the the Prog community whereas it is pretty common for "non-Proggers" to know who Neil Peart is. A lot of that has to do with Rush's many crossovers into mainstream during their career.
Best = Gavin Harrison
I see in Harrison a combination of Peart's precision, Bruford's emotion, and Stewart Copeland's nuances. I'm a professional musician (guitarist/vocalist) and I cannot remember the last time a drummer consistently impressed me as much as Harrison. I was fortunate enough to see Porcupine Tree back in May and was just blown away by his presence.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:27 |
SuperHokie wrote:
Most important = Neil Peart
I say that because I have known more people who have taken up drumming because of his work with Rush. Bruford is a very close second in terms of importance. Bruford's name is not as recognized outside of the the Prog community whereas it is pretty common for "non-Proggers" to know who Neil Peart is. A lot of that has to do with Rush's many crossovers into mainstream during their career. |
That depends a lot on where you live. I had been into prog all my life and never heard his name before I came to this site. And Rush were not regarded as prog at all in my circles; everyone considered them to be a hardrock band. In the musical circles I moved in the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen (and he still is for me). So much for different perceptions. And of course I took up drumming because of Moerlen.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:32 |
SuperHokie wrote:
Most important = Neil Peart
I say that because I have known more people who have taken up drumming because of his work with Rush. Bruford is a very close second in terms of importance. Bruford's name is not as recognized outside of the the Prog community whereas it is pretty common for "non-Proggers" to know who Neil Peart is. A lot of that has to do with Rush's many crossovers into mainstream during their career.
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That depends a lot on where you live. I have been into prog all my live and never heard Peart's name before I came to this site. In the circles where I moved the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen, and he still is for me. Rush were not regarded to be prog at all, they were being thought of as a hardrock band! So much for different perceptions. And of course I picked up the sticks myself because of Moerlen.
Edited by BaldFriede - July 17 2007 at 08:33
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:32 |
JOE MORRIS wrote:
So something i want you to thinnk about is take the time you spend on here throwing your opinions around and sometimes getting angry at each other doing more productive stuff. Dont' spend three hours a day on the web site, spend 3 hours a day on your drums. |
Practice makes perfect! To relate to your point, back about 20 years or so, I wanted to make my career in music as a drummer. After my normal day job, I'd go and practice 2-3 hours, studying out of various drum instruction books (Hats off to Roy Burns for teaching me syncopation!). Indeed, many took notice after about 6 months on the dramatic iimprovement of my playing. I wonder where I'd be if I didn't wimp out and get a "real life".
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:35 |
Oops, sorry about the double post.
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Disconnect
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:49 |
BaldFriede wrote:
That depends a lot on where you live. I have been into prog all my live and never heard Peart's name before I came to this site. In the circles where I moved the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen, and he still is for me. Rush were not regarded to be prog at all, they were being thought of as a hardrock band! So much for different perceptions. And of course I picked up the sticks myself because of Moerlen.
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Perhaps - but I'll gladly wager that Peart has influenced far more drummers from all over the globe than Pierre Moerlen has (whom, by the way, I've never heard of either). That's not a knock on Morelen's talent, just the fact that Peart's work is more well-known worldwide. The poll asked most "important/best" which I feel are two distinct categories.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 09:32 |
SuperHokie wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
That depends a lot on where you live. I have been into prog all my live and never heard Peart's name before I came to this site. In the circles where I moved the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen, and he still is for me. Rush were not regarded to be prog at all, they were being thought of as a hardrock band! So much for different perceptions. And of course I picked up the sticks myself because of Moerlen.
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Perhaps - but I'll gladly wager that Peart has influenced far more drummers from all over the globe than Pierre Moerlen has (whom, by the way, I've never heard of either). That's not a knock on Morelen's talent, just the fact that Peart's work is more well-known worldwide. The poll asked most "important/best" which I feel are two distinct categories. |
I'd put a wager against that. In Europe Moerlen will definitely be known better than Peart, and be it for his work with Mike Oldfield only. So again it all depends on where you live. And I personally think that for prog Europe is a little more important than America.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 09:46 |
BaldFriede wrote:
SuperHokie wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
That depends a lot on where you live. I have been into prog all my live and never heard Peart's name before I came to this site. In the circles where I moved the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen, and he still is for me. Rush were not regarded to be prog at all, they were being thought of as a hardrock band! So much for different perceptions. And of course I picked up the sticks myself because of Moerlen.
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Perhaps - but I'll gladly wager that Peart has influenced far more drummers from all over the globe than Pierre Moerlen has (whom, by the way, I've never heard of either). That's not a knock on Morelen's talent, just the fact that Peart's work is more well-known worldwide. The poll asked most "important/best" which I feel are two distinct categories. |
I'd put a wager against that. In Europe Moerlen will definitely be known better than Peart, and be it for his work with Mike Oldfield only. So again it all depends on where you live. And I personally think that for prog Europe is a little more important than America.
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I'd say it comes down to exposure. The one better known is mostlikely better known because of the music they have benn part of creating. In addition, one should refer to publications like Modern Drummer and Drummer Magazine. Drummers who are mentioned more often will get invested by active drummers and potentially be influenced more by the more acclaimed.
For these reasons, and not abilities, I see Peart as being a leader. However, I suspect Bruford or even Collins probably have bigger impact to European drummers than either of the afore mentioned.
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el böthy
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 09:56 |
there is something about Bruford... pretty unique drummer, not a show off, quite minimalistic at times... but ever so imaginative!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Disconnect
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:00 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I'd put a wager against that. In Europe Moerlen will definitely be known better than Peart, and be it for his work with Mike Oldfield only. So again it all depends on where you live. And I personally think that for prog Europe is a little more important than America.
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....and people always complain that Americans think they are the center of the world...
Fortunately, Europe does not constitute the entire world either.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with where you live.
I understand you have great respect for Moerlen and that is perfectly fine. However you cannot compare his impact to that of Neil Peart or even Bruford.
Whether or not you like Rush, whether or not you think Peart is competent outside of "the Rush gig" (as some have posted here) - his impact and importance are undeniable in the realm of progressive rock drumming. There are probably more Europeans who have never heard of Moerlen than Europeans who have never heard of Neil Peart.
And since Moerlen is unfortunately deceased, it is unlikely his popularity and influence will ever be much more than it is today.
Edited by SuperHokie - July 17 2007 at 10:02
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:08 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
SuperHokie wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
That depends a lot on where you live. I have been into prog all my live and never heard Peart's name before I came to this site. In the circles where I moved the undisputed king of drums was Pierre Moerlen, and he still is for me. Rush were not regarded to be prog at all, they were being thought of as a hardrock band! So much for different perceptions. And of course I picked up the sticks myself because of Moerlen.
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Perhaps - but I'll gladly wager that Peart has influenced far more drummers from all over the globe than Pierre Moerlen has (whom, by the way, I've never heard of either). That's not a knock on Morelen's talent, just the fact that Peart's work is more well-known worldwide. The poll asked most "important/best" which I feel are two distinct categories. |
I'd put a wager against that. In Europe Moerlen will definitely be known better than Peart, and be it for his work with Mike Oldfield only. So again it all depends on where you live. And I personally think that for prog Europe is a little more important than America.
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I'd say it comes down to exposure. The one better known is mostlikely better known because of the music they have benn part of creating. In addition, one should refer to publications like Modern Drummer and Drummer Magazine. Drummers who are mentioned more often will get invested by active drummers and potentially be influenced more by the more acclaimed.
For these reasons, and not abilities, I see Peart as being a leader. However, I suspect Bruford or even Collins probably have bigger impact to European drummers than either of the afore mentioned.
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Again this is a question of where you live. Drum magazines with its origin in America will of course focus on American drummers. I, however, live in Europe. Peart is a minor figure here (at least in Germany). "Important" also definitely has a personal connotation. The importance of Peart for me personally equals nil. My drumming style is mostly influenced by Moerlen, followed by Vander and Neumeier.
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Disconnect
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:25 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Again this is a question of where you live. Drum magazines with its origin in America will of course focus on American drummers. I, however, live in Europe. Peart is a minor figure here (at least in Germany). "Important" also definitely has a personal connotation. The importance of Peart for me personally equals nil. My drumming style is mostly influenced by Moerlen, followed by Vander and Neumeier.
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Peart is not American....he is a French Canadian.
I understand your point regarding personal interpretation of 'most important'. I was not thinking subjectively when I named Peart. I was thinking objectively and leaving my personal opinions aside. What I have observed, what I have read, and what I have seen with my own eyes is the level of impact Peart has had on others (especially drummers I have worked with throughout my 20+ years of recording and performing live).
I personally prefer Bruford's drumming style above all others. However, being subjective I recognize that Neil Peart's name and influence surpasses Bruford's.
Peart as 'most important' is not my personal opinion, but rather what I have observed in others.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:28 |
BaldFriede wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
I'd say it comes down to exposure. The one better known is mostlikely better known because of the music they have benn part of creating. In addition, one should refer to publications like Modern Drummer and Drummer Magazine. Drummers who are mentioned more often will get invested by active drummers and potentially be influenced more by the more acclaimed.
For these reasons, and not abilities, I see Peart as being a leader. However, I suspect Bruford or even Collins probably have bigger impact to European drummers than either of the afore mentioned.
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Again this is a question of where you live. Drum magazines with its origin in America will of course focus on American drummers. I, however, live in Europe. Peart is a minor figure here (at least in Germany). "Important" also definitely has a personal connotation. The importance of Peart for me personally equals nil. My drumming style is mostly influenced by Moerlen, followed by Vander and Neumeier.
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I beg to differ that Peart is a minor figure in Germany. A sell-out crowd in Frankfurt for the R30 tour demands notice to the impact of the band, and hence the notariety of Peart. This show was so well attended, the R30 DVD was taped there.
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