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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 04:00
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du Temps

Squiban : Molene

Stockhausen : Gesang Der Junglinge

Schoenberg : Pierrot Lunaire

Miles Davis : Bitches Brew

Rakhmaninov : Cello Concerto

Franz Ferdinand : Franz Ferdinand

Metallica : Master of Puppets

Kraftwerk : The Man Machine

Jeez, cert you are a right bundle of laughs aren't you?

Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of HiroshimaWacko

Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du TempsPinch

Squiban : MoleneQuestionSleepy

Stockhausen : Gesang Der JunglingeGeek

Schoenberg : Pierrot LunaireCensored

Next week Cert is gonna summarise Proust in 30 seconds!

BTW whilst I like much of Miles' pre 1960 stuff I've never cared for "Bitches Brew" et al.I find it almost impenetrable, same with Coltrane's "Love Supreme."Dead



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 04:08
Originally posted by Eddy Eddy wrote:

im serouis when i say this. what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh

 

absolutely nothing.

but 'eclectic' means various and especially wide-ranging; someone of eclectic tastes may like opera, gangsta rap, and Elizabethan folk music for instance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 04:12
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

Originally posted by Eddy Eddy wrote:

im serouis when i say this. what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh

 

absolutely nothing.

but 'eclectic' means various and especially wide-ranging; someone of eclectic tastes may like opera, gangsta rap, and Elizabethan folk music for instance.

On a serious note,Eddy's post proves to me that there is more to this lad than meets the eye:

what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh.

If he had said "what does eclectic mean" then....

Gosh Eddy your first slip.LOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 04:17
^ don't blame eddy...I've been biting my tongue not to say anything since I first saw the title of the thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 06:07

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Jeez, cert you are a right bundle of laughs aren't you?

Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of HiroshimaWacko

Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du TempsPinch

Squiban : MoleneQuestionSleepy

Stockhausen : Gesang Der JunglingeGeek

Schoenberg : Pierrot LunaireCensored

I take it you've never studied these works? Messiaen is one of my favourite composers - his music almost redefines what music is (to me!). Squiban may be boring to you, but it's tranquil, relaxing music to me... Your response to Pierrot surprises me a little - it's typical of someone who takes music purely at face value... You obviously don't like much Zappa or fusion then?

Next week Cert is gonna summarise Proust in 30 seconds!

Why - what did he compose - and why would I want to perform nanoscopic analysis on someone who is notorious for just that?

BTW whilst I like much of Miles' pre 1960 stuff I've never cared for "Bitches Brew" et al.I find it almost impenetrable, same with Coltrane's "Love Supreme."Dead

You need to get past the surface, young Grasshopper 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 07:51

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

^ don't blame eddy...I've been biting my tongue not to say anything since I first saw the title of the thread.

As you can see, English is not my first langage, by really far!!

I was thinking about electric and electrical! Sorry!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 08:17
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Jeez, cert you are a right bundle of laughs aren't you?

Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of HiroshimaWacko

Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du TempsPinch

Squiban : MoleneQuestionSleepy

Stockhausen : Gesang Der JunglingeGeek

Schoenberg : Pierrot LunaireCensored

I take it you've never studied these works? Messiaen is one of my favourite composers - his music almost redefines what music is (to me!). Squiban may be boring to you, but it's tranquil, relaxing music to me... Your response to Pierrot surprises me a little - it's typical of someone who takes music purely at face value... You obviously don't like much Zappa or fusion then?

Next week Cert is gonna summarise Proust in 30 seconds!

Why - what did he compose - and why would I want to perform nanoscopic analysis on someone who is notorious for just that?

Yeah but you fell for it didnt you-I was anticipating a 3 page rant not your weak paragraph!Wink

BTW whilst I like much of Miles' pre 1960 stuff I've never cared for "Bitches Brew" et al.I find it almost impenetrable, same with Coltrane's "Love Supreme."Dead

You need to get past the surface, young Grasshopper 

Dont call me shallow you CultureS nobTongue

No I've even heard of Squiban, but the title Molene sounded boring.I've certainly not heard Poirot Lunaire, although we touched on Schoenberg when I was at school. My peeved reaction is because you posted before I could post my mock Cert's eclectic list!LOL

BTW please dont correct my A.C. reference, you will disappoint me!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 08:43

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

No I've even heard of Squiban, but the title Molene sounded boring.I've certainly not heard Poirot Lunaire, although we touched on Schoenberg when I was at school. My peeved reaction is because you posted before I could post my mock Cert's eclectic list!LOL

BTW please dont correct my A.C. reference, you will disappoint me!

Looks like you should do a little detective work, Grape Crusher!

Molene is just nice Bretagne piano music - a kind of cross between lounge jazz and traditional Celtic music with a flavour of Debussy. You may well find it boring - but I like it. Another recommeded Squiban album is Rozbras (if you find that it is to your taste!).

You never know - you might like Pierrot Lunaire (although I freely admit it's not something I listen to on a daily basis...); Check out the lyrics - I reckon they're as good or possibly better than a lot of prog, and certainly dark enough for my tastes! There's even a couple of sound files for you to "enjoy"...I studied the entire work in the 2nd year of my degree - and trust me, it's heavy going at first. However, once you've heard the really radical composers (John Cage et al), this starts to sound really musical!;

12. Galgenlied (Gallows Song) (.mov File

Die dürre Dirne The withered whore
Mit langem Halse With stringy neck
Wird seine letzte Will be his last
Geliebte sein. Beloved.
   
In seinem Hirne In his brains
Steckt wie ein Nagel Stuck like a nail
Die dürre Dirne The withered whore
Mit langem Halse. With stringy neck.
   
Schlank wie die Pinie, Slim, like the stonepine
Am Hals ein Zöpfchen - On her neck a small tuft--
Wollüstig wird sie Lustfully will she
Den Schelm umhalsen, Circle the rogue's neck,
Die dürre Dirne! The withered whore;

13. Enthauptung (Beheading) (.mov)File

Der Mond, ein blankes Türkenschwert The moon, a shining scimitar
Auf einem schwarzen Seidenkissen, On a black silk cushion,
Gespenstisch groß - dräut er hinab Ghastly huge--it slices down
Durch schmerzendunkle Nacht. Through the pained dark night.
   
Pierrot irrt ohne Rast umher Pierrot stumbles about the rest
Und starrt empor in Todesängsten And stares up in the fear of death
Zum Mond, dem blanken Türkenschwert At the moon, a shining scimitar
Auf einem schwarzen Seidenkissen. On a black silk cushion.
   
Es schlottern unter ihm die Knie, His knees chatter under him,
Ohnmächtig bricht er jäh zusammen. Swooning he headlong collapses.
Er wähnt: es sause strafend schon He fancies: he hears whizzing punitive down
Auf seinen Sünderhals hernieder On his sinner's neck slicing
Der Mond, das blanke Türkenschwert. The moon, the shining scimitar.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 08:56

I told you not to correct my Agatha Christie reference.LOL

I will get you for that!Wink

BTW the music is fine.Not sure about the vox though. Lyrics are excellent!
Not sure where the entertainment value lies though?Confused



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 09:26

Question her.

How do you play files, with extensions .MOV ?(I'm sure its something to do with movies) I'm sort of a digibethical non-comprehensive fool who cant play or see the link Cert provided.

I asume the german lyric is the original one. I like it

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 14:12

Yes - the German is the original - the whole piece is very dark.

To play the files, you need Apple's Quicktime plugin, freely available: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

The vocals on that particular recording are the best I've ever heard - and I own 3 recordings of it. The interpretation is superb and bang up to date - it sounds utterly timeless to me. Listening to that I can hardly believe Schoenberg composed the music (and invented the style of composition) back in 1912.

The vocals are supposed to sound like that - it's a style of singing Schoenberg invented called Sprechgesang, or Sprechstimme and the idea is that you don't actually sing the notes, but speak at pitch - it's an incredibly difficult technique. If you take the meaning of the words and listen, it paints an incredibly ghoulish and nightmarish picture - but that little mind of yours needs to be wide open

Entertainment value?

Not sure - even I find it heavy going to listen to all of it. I tend to take it in chunks - when the s/o is out. The poetry is superb, but the music and style of singing caused an outrage at the first performance - all the reviews were negative. However, it has been a source of inspiration for many 20th Century composers - there's a lot of mileage in the ideas. You could see it as the ultimate in compositional expression - years, if not centuries ahead of its time. Or you could have a damn good laugh at the silly voices - but that entertainment doesn't last long, trust me...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 14:23

I'm a firm believer that if art has to be explained it is no longer art.........

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 14:31
Unless it's Art Garfunkel!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 14:42

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Unless it's Art Garfunkel!LOL

Now, there is one seriously weird dude!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 15:08

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Thank you Cert, I'm attempting to download it right now. I'm such a , I hope to get it up and running properly.

 

Well it all works.

I like to stretch my mind a little. frantic, neurotic and sinister are words that come to mind while listening to these little peaces. I need a full album or song before i can say whether i like it or not, but I'm not disliking what I heard, so I'll bookmark this pieces for future refference.

Thanks again Cert. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 15:51
NO one voted me so natrually i voted for myself  which doesn't mean anything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 15:52
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

 Paganini

Chlomo Mintz doing the 24 caprices is essential.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 16:59
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

I'm a firm believer that if art has to be explained it is no longer art.........

It doesn't need explaining - the background stuff just makes it more interesting. Like all the greatest art (Beethoven's 3rd Symphony and Mozart's Requiem to name but two), the background can enhance the work itself. If you heard one of Zappa's orchestral pieces, but did not know it was Zappa, would you like it as much?

In the case of the more advanced composers, especially the pioneers of the first half of the 20th Century, explanation of a sort is essential, as their musical thoughts go way beyond the primitive forms of sonata, dorian mode and diatonic harmony - even beyond the most outlandish jazz.

In some cases an explanation is necessary for those who may not be "up to speed"; John Cage's 4'33", for example, would be totally lost on a Rap fan. As would, say, the question of where the elbow is in relation to other parts of the anatomy... 

Like the best prog and the finest single malt whiskies, the most essential ingredient is time. Time and digestion. The TWO most essential ingredients are time, digestion, and an open mind... The THREE most essential ingredients are time, digestion, an open mind, and a nice glass of whisky...

NO! Not the comfy chair!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 17:08
Originally posted by Wizard/TRueStar Wizard/TRueStar wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

 Paganini

Chlomo Mintz doing the 24 caprices is essential.

Thanks - I'll check that out. I only have a recording of Yehudi Menuhin playing them - and he makes a right pig's ear out of them!

BTW, if you like Paganini, have you heard any music by Tartini? Tartini was a contemporary of Vivaldi, and the most notable of his works is a short piece called the "Devil's Trill Sonata", which is one of the most fiendish pieces ever written for violin. The story goes that the Devil came to Tartini in a dream and taught him the treble-stopped trill sequence at the end of this sonata - which is a pretty wild piece in it's own right. I'm forever buying records with interpretations of this piece on, in the vain hope that I might one day hear someone who can actually play the thing!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 17:15

Fetch the soft cushions!

Isn't it strange how music can generate such a divide between the first response and the measured view? One can bring themselves to appreciate anything, with enough dedication and motivation. And much music greatly benefits from a knowledge of the context. On the other hand, some defiantly state that only the instant reaction is important- or, in RL's view, that art is best served without analysis. I can see the value in both approaches.

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