You missed out CERT !

He's gonna be be well miffed.

You'd better do it again laddie!

I most definitely have the narrowest tastes.

loadsa my friends use my cd collection as their own blockbusters. they blag loadsa my cds/dvds and even tell their friends. i really do have everything

some of my genres go as far as super furry animals, hendrix, slipknot, marilyn manson, the beatles, floyd, pearl jam, eminem, chilis, oasis, blur, tool, jeff buck;ey, damien rice, HIM, and thousands od different artists and genres.

In all fairness I'm not electric at all. I do like aproximatly everything, but only the best. At this point in time I'm still just scratching the surface of what music entails.

I have a relativly small record collection (IMO, my friends think it's way too large) but most of it is in the neo-rock / poprock / heavy metal genre, 500 records is not enough to claim you know all the bands.

There are some forummembers around who i do believe have great knowledge of music, and Prog music in particalair and I try to learn from them, and hope to expand my record collection at a rate of 4 albums a month, so in 20 jears I hope to be somewhat eclectic.

I voted for other for I think mailto:M@x - M@x , Maani and assorted people, have at least listened to most artists listed on the progarchives, which I didn't have the chance too (I need money) just yet.

And of course cert isn't mentioned, but that's probably because he's a bassplayer and they are usualy only missed when they're not around

threefates wrote: When it comes to knowing what styles they like other than prog... none of us know enough about that... We don't really discuss that here too often...

It's so true. I expected much more of my 'TOTO' thread for example. I don't understand why so many prog afficionados regard them as a plain pop band, they often forget that TOTO released some gems, in which they blend hard-rock, jazz-rock, soul and pop : 'Toto', 'Toto IV', 'Toto VII' being all very good works, in term of both music and vocals (Bobby Kimball, Steve Lukather, Joseph Williams and David Paich have all a marvellous voice).

Lucas.

TOTO = Not PROG.

OK

C'est pas Prog!

Non.

Pas de tout.

Comprends?

je n'ai parle pas le francais

Reed Lover wrote: Lucas. TOTO = Not PROG. OK C'est pas Prog! Non. Pas de tout. Comprends?

Does it matter what kind of music they play : it's a great band !!! And I never assessed they are prog !!!

lucas wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Lucas. TOTO = Not PROG. OK C'est pas Prog! Non. Pas de tout. Comprends? Does it matter what kind of music they play : it's a great band !!! And I never assessed they are prog !!!

Why are you angry Lucas?

i would consider my record collection (about 2000) reasonably eclectic but in a narrow way -

i like a lot of different artists but not a lot of styles. For example. I have very little reggae aside from the bits of Bob Marley (which, while brilliant, I would consid3er white man's reggae). I have no dub, dancehall, very little ska etc.

I don't have a lot of soul, bar some atlantic, stax stuff and some classic motown (mostly stevie wonder).

I don't have much country bar alt country like ryan adams, gillian welch etc and some classic stuff like hank williams, emmylou harris (but only the gram parsons falvoured stuff like elite hotel)

I don't have much techno. I just don't like it. I have the standard stuff that appeals to oldies like me - underworld, leftfield etc. but the rest of it passed me by.

The bulk of my collection consist of rock and pop music, jazz and classical. within those confines it's pretty eclectic, so while I have catholic taste, it's limited to certain genres.

so not the most weird and wonderful. Though I will stick on barbara streisand and metallica or arvo part and the allman brothers in the same listening session!

Anyway, i think eclecticism is often a function of age and experience. when I was a teenager i listened to a lot of hard rock and metal, it got me into prog, which got me into other things and whole other worlds opened up as I heard more and more music. I'm in my mid-30s now so I've been exposed to a lot of music.

The bottom line for me is simply whether it has a decent tune. Can't stand genres, I just like music.

no nwa but i do have a snoop dogg album

no, seriously I do!

I had a couple of NWA records on tape in my highschool days, kinda likked it, but then rap got crappier and more commercial (MC hammer, vanilla Ice, will smith) so I reformed again to traditional rock music.

I would argue that my taste in Music is far wider than Three Fates who only listens to ELP/Floyd from what iv'e gathered from her posts!

I maybe wrong !

But,  I have listened to Death-Speed Metal and Rachmaninov Piano Concerto's in the same session - How eclectic is that !

Swinton MCR wrote: I would argue that my taste in Music is far wider than Three Fates who only listens to ELP/Floyd from what iv'e gathered from her posts! I maybe wrong ! But,  I have listened to Death-Speed Metal and Rachmaninov Piano Concerto's in the same session - How eclectic is that !

Me too.If you count the "Working Man " Rush tribute as deaf metal

Great 2-2 result btw, bring on Fulham

Arh, I was going to burn the Arsenal/Chelsea Game for viewing later (with a cup of brandied hot choccy) I'll still do it knowing the score !.

P.S

Working Man is a Sabbath-like slow heavy piece and is indeed excellent !

I was thinking more of Napalm-death / Rachmaninov.......

Swinton MCR wrote: Arh, I was going to burn the Arsenal/Chelsea Game for viewing later (with a cup of brandied hot choccy) I'll still do it knowing the score !. P.S Working Man is a Sabbath-like slow heavy piece and is indeed excellent ! I was thinking more of Napalm-death / Rachmaninov.......

Hucking Fell! Sorry Swint

Remember that great Likely Lads episode.

I still consider my knowledge of prog somewhat LIMITED, but  some of these people on the list just dont cut it... for example, if im not mistaken:Frenchie: How can you call yourself eclectic, didnt you JUST discover Genesis and Gentle Giant?!

arcer wrote: Reed - what about that Thierry Henry free kick!!! Surely this man is the son of god. The look on Mourinho's face was priceless

I cant deny the guy is class.Calling him arrogant would be the pot calling the kettle black

Reminds me of the Paul Ince free kick when Utd annihilated Ipswich 9-1 (?)

Enjoyed the match though.chelsea still favs for the title though!

We Beat Ipswich 9-0 and Andy Cole Scored 5 !

I can't remember the other scorers though

oh b******s I'm voting for myself - I have a nick kamen record for f***'s sake!

don't worry it was free and no second hand store will take it off my hands... but it's very presence in my record collection makes me truly eclectic - tho no necessarily in a good way

Swinton MCR wrote: We Beat Ipswich 9-0 and Andy Cole Scored 5 ! I can't remember the other scorers though

Ince of course! Keane 1 and Sparky 2

Uh...guys? (and gals)...uh...what am I?  Chopped liver?

Peace.

^ I agree. Without maani, almost any members list is incomplete. Max and Cert are essential as well, IMAO.

How about a contest? List 5-10 albums you own that you think indicate your eclecticism (or eclecticalism ).

Double Live Gonzos

Kind Of Blue

Vapor Trails

Shostakovich's Cello Concerto in E

Bridge Over Troubled Water

Stratosfear

Depeche Mode Remixes 81-04

Fat of the Land

Marshall Mathers Album

Parachutes

im serouis when i say this. what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh

Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du Temps

Squiban : Molene

Stockhausen : Gesang Der Junglinge

Schoenberg : Pierrot Lunaire

Miles Davis : Bitches Brew

Rakhmaninov : Cello Concerto

Franz Ferdinand : Franz Ferdinand

Metallica : Master of Puppets

Kraftwerk : The Man Machine

(I ought to give a special mention to my collection of Burning Spear, AC/DC, Mozart, John Mayall, Savoy Brown, Smiths, Slayer, On-U Sound System, Roni Size and Blue Cheer albums... )

(I missed out a whole load of other stuff, like Sex Pistols, Damned, Stanglers, Motorhead, Raven, Barbra Streisand, Donna Summer, ELO, Dire Straits, White Stripes, Strokes, Rammstein, Linkin Park, SOAD, Killswitch Engage, Jefferson Airplane, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, Bert Kaempfert, Glenn Miller, Beethoven, Grieg, Mahler, Verdi, Paganini...).

(and then there's...)

Certif1ed wrote: Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du Temps Squiban : Molene Stockhausen : Gesang Der Junglinge Schoenberg : Pierrot Lunaire Miles Davis : Bitches Brew Rakhmaninov : Cello Concerto Franz Ferdinand : Franz Ferdinand Metallica : Master of Puppets Kraftwerk : The Man Machine

Jeez, cert you are a right bundle of laughs aren't you?

Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du Temps

Squiban : Molene

Stockhausen : Gesang Der Junglinge

Schoenberg : Pierrot Lunaire

Next week Cert is gonna summarise Proust in 30 seconds!

BTW whilst I like much of Miles' pre 1960 stuff I've never cared for "Bitches Brew" et al.I find it almost impenetrable, same with Coltrane's "Love Supreme."

Eddy wrote: im serouis when i say this. what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh

absolutely nothing.

but 'eclectic' means various and especially wide-ranging; someone of eclectic tastes may like opera, gangsta rap, and Elizabethan folk music for instance.

James Lee wrote: Eddy wrote: im serouis when i say this. what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh   absolutely nothing. but 'eclectic' means various and especially wide-ranging; someone of eclectic tastes may like opera, gangsta rap, and Elizabethan folk music for instance.

On a serious note,Eddy's post proves to me that there is more to this lad than meets the eye:

what does eclectical mean please. dont laugh.

If he had said "what does eclectic mean" then....

Gosh Eddy your first slip.

James Lee wrote: ^ don't blame eddy...I've been biting my tongue not to say anything since I first saw the title of the thread.

As you can see, English is not my first langage, by really far!!

I was thinking about electric and electrical! Sorry!

Certif1ed wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Jeez, cert you are a right bundle of laughs aren't you? Penderecki : Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima Messian : Quator Pour La Fin du Temps Squiban : Molene Stockhausen : Gesang Der Junglinge Schoenberg : Pierrot Lunaire I take it you've never studied these works? Messiaen is one of my favourite composers - his music almost redefines what music is (to me!). Squiban may be boring to you, but it's tranquil, relaxing music to me... Your response to Pierrot surprises me a little - it's typical of someone who takes music purely at face value... You obviously don't like much Zappa or fusion then? Next week Cert is gonna summarise Proust in 30 seconds! Why - what did he compose - and why would I want to perform nanoscopic analysis on someone who is notorious for just that? Yeah but you fell for it didnt you-I was anticipating a 3 page rant not your weak paragraph! BTW whilst I like much of Miles' pre 1960 stuff I've never cared for "Bitches Brew" et al.I find it almost impenetrable, same with Coltrane's "Love Supreme." You need to get past the surface, young Grasshopper  Dont call me shallow you CultureS nob

No I've even heard of Squiban, but the title Molene sounded boring.I've certainly not heard Poirot Lunaire, although we touched on Schoenberg when I was at school. My peeved reaction is because you posted before I could post my mock Cert's eclectic list!

BTW please dont correct my A.C. reference, you will disappoint me!

Reed Lover wrote: No I've even heard of Squiban, but the title Molene sounded boring.I've certainly not heard Poirot Lunaire, although we touched on Schoenberg when I was at school. My peeved reaction is because you posted before I could post my mock Cert's eclectic list! BTW please dont correct my A.C. reference, you will disappoint me!

Looks like you should do a little detective work, Grape Crusher!

Molene is just nice Bretagne piano music - a kind of cross between lounge jazz and traditional Celtic music with a flavour of Debussy. You may well find it boring - but I like it. Another recommeded Squiban album is Rozbras (if you find that it is to your taste!).

You never know - you might like Pierrot Lunaire (although I freely admit it's not something I listen to on a daily basis...); Check out the lyrics - I reckon they're as good or possibly better than a lot of prog, and certainly dark enough for my tastes! There's even a couple of sound files for you to "enjoy"...I studied the entire work in the 2nd year of my degree - and trust me, it's heavy going at first. However, once you've heard the really radical composers (John Cage et al), this starts to sound really musical!;

12. Galgenlied (Gallows Song) ( http://www.colleges.org/~music/modules/pierrot/QT/12galg.mov - .mov  File

13. Enthauptung (Beheading) ( http://www.colleges.org/~music/modules/pierrot/QT/13enth.mov - .mov )File

I told you not to correct my Agatha Christie reference.

I will get you for that!

BTW the music is fine.Not sure about the vox though. Lyrics are excellent!
Not sure where the entertainment value lies though?

Question her.

How do you play files, with extensions .MOV ?(I'm sure its something to do with movies) I'm sort of a digibethical non-comprehensive fool who cant play or see the link Cert provided.

I asume the german lyric is the original one. I like it

Yes - the German is the original - the whole piece is very dark.

To play the files, you need Apple's Quicktime plugin, freely available: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ - http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

The vocals on that particular recording are the best I've ever heard - and I own 3 recordings of it. The interpretation is superb and bang up to date - it sounds utterly timeless to me. Listening to that I can hardly believe Schoenberg composed the music (and invented the style of composition) back in 1912.

The vocals are supposed to sound like that - it's a style of singing Schoenberg invented called Sprechgesang, or Sprechstimme and the idea is that you don't actually sing the notes, but speak at pitch - it's an incredibly difficult technique. If you take the meaning of the words and listen, it paints an incredibly ghoulish and nightmarish picture - but that little mind of yours needs to be wide open

Entertainment value?

Not sure - even I find it heavy going to listen to all of it. I tend to take it in chunks - when the s/o is out. The poetry is superb, but the music and style of singing caused an outrage at the first performance - all the reviews were negative. However, it has been a source of inspiration for many 20th Century composers - there's a lot of mileage in the ideas. You could see it as the ultimate in compositional expression - years, if not centuries ahead of its time. Or you could have a damn good laugh at the silly voices - but that entertainment doesn't last long, trust me...

I'm a firm believer that if art has to be explained it is no longer art.........

Easy Livin wrote: Unless it's Art Garfunkel!

Now, there is one seriously weird dude!

Cert1fied

Thank you Cert, I'm attempting to download it right now. I'm such a , I hope to get it up and running properly.

Well it all works.

I like to stretch my mind a little. frantic, neurotic and sinister are words that come to mind while listening to these little peaces. I need a full album or song before i can say whether i like it or not, but I'm not disliking what I heard, so I'll bookmark this pieces for future refference.

Thanks again Cert. 

Certif1ed wrote:  Paganini

Chlomo Mintz doing the 24 caprices is essential.

Reed Lover wrote: I'm a firm believer that if art has to be explained it is no longer art.........

It doesn't need explaining - the background stuff just makes it more interesting. Like all the greatest art (Beethoven's 3rd Symphony and Mozart's Requiem to name but two), the background can enhance the work itself. If you heard one of Zappa's orchestral pieces, but did not know it was Zappa, would you like it as much?

In the case of the more advanced composers, especially the pioneers of the first half of the 20th Century, explanation of a sort is essential, as their musical thoughts go way beyond the primitive forms of sonata, dorian mode and diatonic harmony - even beyond the most outlandish jazz.

In some cases an explanation is necessary for those who may not be "up to speed"; John Cage's 4'33", for example, would be totally lost on a Rap fan. As would, say, the question of where the elbow is in relation to other parts of the anatomy... 

Like the best prog and the finest single malt whiskies, the most essential ingredient is time. Time and digestion. The TWO most essential ingredients are time, digestion, and an open mind... The THREE most essential ingredients are time, digestion, an open mind, and a nice glass of whisky...

NO! Not the comfy chair!

Wizard/TRueStar wrote: Certif1ed wrote:  Paganini Chlomo Mintz doing the 24 caprices is essential.

Thanks - I'll check that out. I only have a recording of Yehudi Menuhin playing them - and he makes a right pig's ear out of them!

BTW, if you like Paganini, have you heard any music by Tartini? Tartini was a contemporary of Vivaldi, and the most notable of his works is a short piece called the "Devil's Trill Sonata", which is one of the most fiendish pieces ever written for violin. The story goes that the Devil came to Tartini in a dream and taught him the treble-stopped trill sequence at the end of this sonata - which is a pretty wild piece in it's own right. I'm forever buying records with interpretations of this piece on, in the vain hope that I might one day hear someone who can actually play the thing!

Fetch the soft cushions!

Isn't it strange how music can generate such a divide between the first response and the measured view? One can bring themselves to appreciate anything, with enough dedication and motivation. And much music greatly benefits from a knowledge of the context. On the other hand, some defiantly state that only the instant reaction is important- or, in RL's view, that art is best served without analysis. I can see the value in both approaches.

Prog_Bassist wrote: I like basically every type of music except for Rap and punk.

You like RUSH and JACO it's very clear!

Reed/Tony R and Snow Dog

oh yes, and Flowerchild