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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 12:51

The key to solving this problem is good old fashioned capitalism.  Supply and demand.  Don't buy CDs from record companies who show this "screw the little guy" attitude.  Buy from small independent companies.

Three great examples:
Sensory Records
InsideOut Music
Metal Blade

I'm sure there's many many many more such companies.  These labels support progressive bands by signing bands and musicians that may not be in the mainstream, but they know will have a loyal following.  This website is one way to create a loyal following.  Sharing files and lyrics is another way.  These labels and bands understand that the more they get their name and product out there by ANY means, the better.

And hey, let's face it, the labels and "musicians" that don't want their lyrics posted don't have much in the way of lyrics anyway.  If my songs included such literary masterpieces as "hit me baby one more time" or "oops, I did it again" I would be embarassed to have my lyrics posted on a website too.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 13:03
Originally posted by viperjr98 viperjr98 wrote:


And hey, let's face it, the labels and "musicians" that don't want their lyrics posted don't have much in the way of lyrics anyway.  If my songs included such literary masterpieces as "hit me baby one more time" or "oops, I did it again" I would be embarassed to have my lyrics posted on a website too.


 


Careful - I would be embarrassed if I'd written "And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace"!

Or how about "Every day a little sadder, a little madder... someone get me a ladder!"

... oops, I did it again (quoted some lyrics that is!)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 13:29
Originally posted by ElwoodHerring ElwoodHerring wrote:

but the fact remains that 99% of the music-loving public are totally unaware or uncaring about the fate of music that they love and the way they are gradually being shafted. I intend to shatter this apathy once and for all - our only weapon is to get the word out and boycott.



You do realise that the majority of people DO NOT in the slightest LOVE music, don't you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 13:50
Originally posted by Andrew Vernon Andrew Vernon wrote:


Originally posted by ElwoodHerring ElwoodHerring wrote:

but the fact remains that 99% of the
music-loving public are totally unaware or uncaring about the fate of
music that they love and the way they are gradually being shafted. I
intend to shatter this apathy once and for all - our only weapon is to
get the word out and boycott.


You do realise that the majority of people DO NOT in the slightest LOVE music, don't you?

Okay, I'll accept that, but it makes no difference to the argument. Especially when you take into account not just music CDs but also DVDs, in fact any recorded media including the equipment that is used to play it. DRM technology is also creeping into such things as digital cameras and computer equipment, and in the future even things like televisions, scanners, mobile phones, etc. etc. They are even trying to overturn the 1983 Betamax ruling to make it illegal to keep recordings of TV programmes without a license.

Let me quote myself here; this is what I posted on Mark Russinovich's site a few days ago:

"We are only now starting to see the downside of this marvellous new Digital Technology we are surrounding ourselves with. From big media companies to governments, from copy protected CDs to ID cards, "Digital" has one enormous implication that the public at large have not yet grasped; control. If we are not careful we will find ourselves in a few years' time totally controlled, watched and logged by the very digital technology we own; you will not be able to walk a step, say a word or spend a penny without it going onto a database somewhere for somebody else's profit, benefit or misuse. Digital = Controllable. We are all sleepwalking into Orwell's 1984, the only difference is that Big Brother now has computers."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 14:01
Wot a load of crap! How are we gonna find those ellusive song lyrics to our favourite songs, when we dont have a official cd and the official website dosen't have them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 14:13
I agree Elwood, I covered Jeremy Bentham's Panopticon at University, as well as Japanisation and McDonaldsisation.  It is a huge worry already, so just think of two or three years from now.  I am very worried about being controlled and watched by people who don't even know me.  My spending habits will be tracked (very useful on Amazon mind), phonecalls I make, places I visit too; I won't have any privacy.  I'll be sat in my lounge listening to my favourite music when I'll get a knock on the door and told not to sing along... (that is an extreme example I know)

As for music, I do not want my music listening experience to be affected.  If I record some music myself and I own it and distribute it freely to friends, will I own the copyright? - I'm talking about in the future here.  Also, will I be able to put my music on a p2p network to be freely distributed?  I have a right to do what I want with my own music.  If an artist doesn't mind file-sharing, but the publishers of that artist do mind, what rights does the artist have?  It's already been an issue I believe, where a lyricist has had to buy back his own copyright.

I do not know what us, as consumers can do to stop this though; any suggestions?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 14:41
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

If I record some music myself and I own it and distribute it freely to friends, will I own the copyright? - I'm talking about in the future here.  Also, will I be able to put my music a p2p network to be freely distributed?  I have a right to do what I want with my own music.  If an artist doesn't mind file-sharing, but the publishers of that artist do mind, what rights do
the artist have?  It's already been an issue I believe, where an a lyricist has had to by back his own lyrics.

That's what is starting to worry me too. The way the record companies are throwing their weight around you'd think they invented music, when in actual fact they wouldn't know a crotchet from a hatchet.

Somebody else has just informed me that they are now trying to reduce the amount of royalty payments they pay to artists from 5p to 2.5p per downloaded track. I can't verify this, but if it's true it doesn't surprise me at all. The companies see (and treat) artists as cattle.

Ultimately the arists will lose out (except for the Big Names of course) and the consumers will lose out. Eventually the record company bosses will also lose out as their house of cards comes crashing down around them.

The only people that will win will be the lawyers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 14:51
Argh, bad grammar and spelling there by me...

I agree mate, as I said to someone else earlier..., most (I'd say all) music borrows, or is influenced by something that has gone before (the same applies in literature), so that means everyone can be sued for stealing each others riff, or something.  If they want to be picky, won't don't they do it on a per note basis?  Everyone would be screwed then.

And as for royalty payments, that is bad too, I hope that statement isn't true (unless it applies to Robbie Williams, he doesn't need anymore money).

Could copyright issues banish Internet radio too?  A lot of Internet radios use MP3s, so that means what they are doing is illegal (to the eyes of the big corporate business').
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 15:01
Here's your answer to the Internet Radio question.

http://www.webfroot.co.nz/?p=196

and

http://news.com.com/Piracy+battle+begins+over+digital+radio/ 2100-1027_3-5236755.html

(remove the space character in that link - it's added automatically when I post it)

A simple Google search will bring up dozens of similar sites. This story is already over a year old!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 15:09
Cheers there Elwood, I guess I shouldn't have been so lazy.  Much appreciated.

Ah yes, Audiogalaxy, I used to actually find stuff on there I can't find anywhere else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 15:28
Here's a more interesting and up to date link:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051109/1235223_F.shtml

Even more interesting when you read the sub-links too.

The Internet is awash with stuff like this; all it takes is a bit of clever searching with the right words and you're away! I've gathered an incredible amount of information over he last month or so; far too much to post here, but what I've learned has horrified me; and there seems no end to it.
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