The most archetypal classic Progressive Rock? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

1. Renaissance

2. Yes

3. ELP

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - November 24 2024 at 10:23

jamesbaldwin wrote:

King Crimson have never adapted classical music to rock, they come partly from psychedelia, partly from the avant-garde, partly from melodic romantic rock and, from their second album onwards, partly from jazz.

In short, King Crimson are much more experimental than EL&P. And they kick-started Prog with their first album. They went through various musical phases, often changing their sound, whereas EL&P always remained the same. KC are definitely more difficult than El&P. But like Pink Floyd they are admired far beyond prog.

However, both choices seem legitimate to me.

Curiously enough how differently people can think because those characteristics of KC are exactly one of the reasons for why I don't find them to be one of the most archetypal bands of classic Progressive Rock. - That is except from "...they kick-started Prog with their first album", but that because it itself is probably not any sufficiently legitimate reason to me anyway, but that also depending on what you exactly mean with it. Smile

Edited by David_D - November 25 2024 at 07:38

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Starshiper wrote:

I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.

Well, you'll get the chance to vote for The Soft Machine in the part two thread, I've planned about this topic and which will include TSM, while I can also already tell that I'm sorry but to me, they're definitely not some of the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock.

quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond

I can tell that by "most archetypal classic Progressive Rock", I mean that which is most typical or most defining for the classic Progressive Rock.

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^ Floydoid, is this just meant as your personal reflection, or supposed to be a precise answer to my OP question and included in the voting? Because if the latter, I have to interpret it. Tongue

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Thank you very much for all the answers so far. Smile

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David_D wrote:

Starshiper wrote:

I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.

Well, you'll get the chance to vote for The Soft Machine in the part two thread, I've planned about this topic and which will include TSM

That's splendid. Do remember The Nice, Family, and Van der Graaf Generator as well, because they were also the original movement's archetypical progressive rock bands.

David_D wrote:

while I can also already tell that I'm sorry but to me, they're definitely not some of the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock.

Indeed, in the 1970s they transitioned to jazz-rock/fusion; however, the Soft Machine from the late 1960s are undoubtedly one of the archetypal representatives of the progressive rock movement.

Starshiper wrote:

David_D wrote:

Starshiper wrote:

I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.

Well, you'll get the chance to vote for The Soft Machine in the part two thread, I've planned about this topic and which will include TSM

That's splendid. Do remember The Nice, Family, and Van der Graaf Generator as well, because they were also the original movement's archetypical progressive rock bands.

Hrychu wrote:

I.P. Disaster wrote:

I few years ago, I was asked by a work colleague what is progressive rock. I decided to answer this question with an example. After a considerable amount of thought about possibilities, I decided that the classic period prog groups were too original sounding for any to be considered definitive, so I eventually chose the retro-prog album Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere.

There are a lot of super cliché genre-demonstrating and archetypical 70's prog bands. Just, not in the "first wave" UK zone (with the exception of Refugee). For example Quill (US), Ethos (US), Kaipa (Sweden), Pollen (Canada) et al.

Nah. When it comes to the U.S. bands, it could be only Utopia.

richardh wrote:

As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other bands sounded even remotely like them??!

Ah, the term 'archetypal'—a rather posh way of saying *original,* wouldn't you agree? Now, when it comes to bands that have taken a leaf out of the Van der Graaf Generator playbook and decided to traipse down a similar path, we find ourselves with quite the eclectic bunch. There’s the late 70s Swiss band Island, who released only one record, yet a masterpiece with H.R. Giger sleeve design, seems to think they can channel that vibe. Discipline, who are clearly on a mission; Dear Hunter, who might be hunting for something more than just a catchy tune; Thank You Scientist, because why not throw in a bit of gratitude while we’re at it; and Dog Fashion Disco—yes, you read that right. It’s all rather amusing, really. By the way, as you can see, he also regrettably missed Gentle Giant; he just listed the "Big Six."

Starshiper wrote:

richardh wrote:

As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and
entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other
bands sounded even remotely like them??!

Ah, the term
'archetypal'—a rather posh way of saying *original,* wouldn't you agree?
Now, when it comes to bands that have taken a leaf out of the Van der
Graaf Generator playbook and decided to traipse down a similar path, we
find ourselves with quite the eclectic bunch. There’s the late 70s Swiss
band Island, who released only one record, yet a masterpiece with H.R.
Giger sleeve design, seems to think they can channel that vibe.
Discipline, who are clearly on a mission; Dear Hunter, who might be
hunting for something more than just a catchy tune; Thank You Scientist,
because why not throw in a bit of gratitude while we’re at it; and Dog
Fashion Disco—yes, you read that right. It’s all rather amusing, really.
By the way, as you can see, he also regrettably missed Gentle Giant; he
just listed the "Big Six."

May I add to your suggestions the following group names :
Gargamel from Norway
Areknames from Italy
?