Your Top Ten Non Prog Bands That are Proggiest?
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Topic: Your Top Ten Non Prog Bands That are Proggiest?
Posted By: brainstormer
Subject: Your Top Ten Non Prog Bands That are Proggiest?
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:13
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What are ten bands that put out the most complex and sophisticated music that are not considered Prog at all? ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:41
Not considered prog at all that are complex? Not a clue where to draw the line  Does Led Zeppelin count for example, or do you mean more classical stuff 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:58
| Jazz. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 15:49
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Seeing as I count pretty much everything I find proggy to be prog its tough to answer this, probably mainly jazz and classical ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 15:51
This. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Padraic wrote:Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 17:44
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Ultravox Yello Magazine John Foxx Al Stewart ABC Delerium OMD Telex Thievery Corporation ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 18:51
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The first 10 that came to mind right now, in no specific order:
Lalo Schifrin
Loreena McKennitt Emma Shapplin Astor Piazzolla Paco De Lucia Cirque Du Soleil Andrew Lloyd Webber Ennio Morricone Franco Battiato Philip Glass At the moment I don't recall others but surely this list would go on and on... -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 22:30
Interesting question.....some of these are probably listed here but I'm too lazy to look.
 Simple Minds
Echo and the Bunnymen
Ultravox
XTC
Steely Dan
Spooky Tooth
The Church
Magazine
Be Bop Deluxe
The Flaming Lips
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 22:35
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Proggy music doesn't exist outside of progressive rock IMHO. To answer the question, my favorite non-prog bands/musicians/composers (in no particular order): 1. Shostakovich 2. Ravel 3. Bartok 4. Miles Davis 5. Bill Evans 6. Thelonious Monk 7. The Police 8. Bill Frisell 9. Stan Getz 10. Pat Metheny ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 00:35
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Ornette Coleman and Judas Priest come to mind. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 01:19
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The Tubes Elton John Al Stewart I will stick with those just for the moment. I'm surprised these are not included in either Crossover or possibly even Prog Folk in Al Stewart's case.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:41
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I'm leaving out all composers that has no relation to rhytmic popular music such as jazz or rock. While (early) Penderecki, Bach, Bartok etc. in no way qualify as a "band" their music is certainly more complex than most on PA. I don't have an ultimate list, but here's a ten artists that I'm a big fan of who makes your average progrockin' band sound like Ramones (I'm exaggerating a little for effect). These aren't really bands either but they often performed/conducted a smaller "modern" ensembles and made music resembling RIO/Avant or the more experimental areas of jazzfusion. Andrew Hill Grachan Moncur III Eric DolphyEnnio Morricone (ca. 1965-1978) Patrice Sciortini Egisto Macchi Camille Sauvage aka Eric Framond Art Ensemble of Chicago Herbie Hancock Mccoy Tyner ...also most 60's recording featuring Tony Williams, Richard Davis, Bobby Hutcherson, Cecil McBee. Just follow the drums, bass 'n vibes. + Selected albums by Middle Eastern/Asian/Arab/Indian artists such as Tafo Brothers, Baligh Hamdi, (Rahabani Brothers compositions for) Fairuz, Salah Ragab, Omar Khorshid, T.K. Ramamoorthy mm... should tickle the curious progger's ear. |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:28
| Vanilla Fudge |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:39
| Joni Mitchell. |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 12:52
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Actually, individually is fine, didn't mean to limit it by bands. Great answers, some new ones to check out. My first thought is Nico Muhly, a new find. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:02
I loved his debut Speaks Volumes but everything I've checked out after (Mother Tounge and his OST's) were huge disappointments so I've pretty much given up on him. Any reccomendations among the ones I haven't heard?
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:33
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I like "seeing is believing," the only one I've heard so far. I wouldn't say it's overwhelming, but I haven't heard his work before. It reminds me of when I discovered William Bolcom's Violin Concerto, which also had a Fantasia by him. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:39
| Ok, thanks that's two titles to investigate. You should seriously check out Speaks Volumes though. I'd even say its kinda overwhelming |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:49
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Check out: William Bolcom - Piano Concerto (1976). Kind of goes in a direction, almost like "rock in parts. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 18:48
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How much proggyness would make a non-prog band prog enough to out-prog a nominally prog band that is not so proggy, like the last 30+ years of Genesis or Yes? (I guessing you are asking what non-prog bands appeals to those with "discerning tastes"?) Too many modern era jazz bands to mention. Let's say Herbie Hancock in the 1960s, or the best of Chick Corea in the 1970s, although a lot of his stuff is listed here as jazz-prog-rock (?). Newsflash: Chick Corea is jazz, which is not a subgenre of progressive rock. Too many classical performers to mention. Some Oregon Some Joni Mitchell. Some Sting and The Police. Anyone who practiced the Third Stream with good taste and musicianship, let's say select Don Sebesky. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 19:10
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^"Too many classical performers to mention."
I'm pretty sure the classical world is still the most unknown given the tremendous amount of compositions since at least three centuries ago. ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 20:52
I really hear that "how much wood would a woodchuck chuck" there 
Yes, exactly.
I wonder what Sting or the Police you mean, although I can see Copeland has become a legit composer. I haven't heard any of his work, though.
Never heard of this "Third Stream" before. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 01:04
| The last two albums by the Police have a lot of proggy moments. Sting always used great jazz players in his music. Ten Summoner Tales is the classiest Crossover album since Breakfast In America imo. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 20:13
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Steely Dan Spirit Philip Glass Steve Reich Astor Piazzolo Material Airto Lindsay early Burt Bacharach Hans Zimmer Vangelis John Serrie Mark Isham Shadowfax Chopin John Martyn Bruce Cockburn Jane Siberry Martha and the Muffins (M & M) The Style Council/Paul Weller Everything But The Girl The Art of Noise Cocteau Twins doves ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:01
| Red House Painters. Talk Talk was an 80s alt rock group before Spirit of Eden. How about the Cure? I will second Everything But The Girl and The Cocteau Twins. Everything But The Girl is a group that hit several genres including jazz, acoustic, and techno. The Cocteau Twins was a group I was following at the same time as Dead Can Dance, so they have that 4AD connection. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:44
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To me if it's not complicated or sophisticated then I can't really see it as prog so in a sense the question doesn't make sense to me. I'll play along anyway though. In no order:
Black Sabbath Iron Maiden XTC The Tubes Moody Blues Phish Allman Brothers Led Zeppelin The Who Talking Heads Honorable mentions: Bob Dylan, The Fixx, ELO, Deep Purple, the Beatles |