Pink Floyd vs. Soft Machine (Debuts)
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Topic: Pink Floyd vs. Soft Machine (Debuts)
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Pink Floyd vs. Soft Machine (Debuts)
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 12:25
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2 pretty closely rated debuts on PA, and seeing as both bands commonly appeared at the UFO club around '67 with material from these albums, thought I'd do a poll. Seriously can't decide myself, both are equally amazing
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 12:45
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As an avid Pink Floyd fan, I have to say I'm not fond of their earlier material. From Meddle to The Final Cut is where this band took off IMHO. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:01
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could vote either way I will go with Pipers mostly because of Interstellar Overdrive ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:29
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Piper, if only for nostalgia value and was the album that got me into Soft Machine in the first place. Not that SM is anything to sneeze at. The Wyatt/Ayers/Ratledge lineup is one of the my favorite rock trios. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:37
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Piper for being the greatest psychedelic record in all of history, of course. ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: melotron98
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:39
My vote for Interstellar Overdrive. |
digdug wrote:Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:46
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Love the Soft Machine like family, but their debut is relatively weak compared to what came later. The Floyd's debut is fantastic, so I'll go with that.
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:53
| Soft Machine. Syd Barrett's work just freaks me out too much. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:06
The Piper ....
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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:17
Agreed...
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:22
thank you! randomly came across the forums again and what do you know, this was the first thread i saw. couldn't resist hehe
------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 16:29
| Piper |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 16:52
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Floyd once more ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 17:14
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The machine. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: La nouvelle terre
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 19:39
| Soft Machine |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 23:06
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Pink Floyd. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 23:22
These results are blowing my mind  I knew Piper got some love here, but better than Soft Machine's debut?? Wyatt would be disappointed. I can listen through Soft Machine's debut easily, though I can never finish Piper. Interstellar Overdrive is good, though. ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 23:28
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I think there's a good chance Wyatt would agree, I know Soft Machine were friends with Barrett and Wyatt played on some songs on Barrett's debut solo album. ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 00:32
Which ones? I also have Volume 2 and Third and while I think they're not quite as accessible as the first record, I still find them to be solid records and worth investing a couple of spins with them. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 00:40
| Being a huge Floyd fan I never liked their debut too much. Soft Machine it is. |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 00:56
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Definitely Pink Floyd for me, one of the defining psychedelic albums that sounds like nothing else before or since. I have fond memories of a good mate and I just overdosing on this one over many years, even buying about three reissues of it during that time!
I also have vague recollections of us in a rubbish attempt at a psychedelic band writing a song about meeting Syd Barrett who was sitting in a shopping trolley in the supermarket...
I like the cool noisy playing on the Soft Machine debut, but (as Sagi well knows!) I cannot stomach Robert Wyatt's flat weezy pained vocals! It frequently means I cannot make it more than half way through the albums. 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 01:52
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Syd was a genius. That's all. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 01:53
| Soft Machine by a country mile. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 02:27
He certainly was a genius, but I personally prefer The Madcap Laughs and Barrett a lot more than The Piper at the Gates of Dawn  |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 02:50
The Piper has Richard Wright, too. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 03:17
Also, during recording of The Madcap Laughs, Soft Machine were contribute to do overdubs for a few songs. At the same time, Syd Barrett played guitar at Kevin Ayers' song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2jqUU07dEY" rel="nofollow - Religious Experience (Singing A Song In The Morning)
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 05:13
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Floyd, and it ain't even close. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 05:37
| For me, this is a definite IMPOSSIBLE. I just can't vote. I absolutely worship both of these, quirky and colourful debut albums equally. Add to that Caravan's debut and there's one helluva selection..... |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 05:48
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I'm actually surprised to find such a heavy slant towards Floyd. Of course Floyd are the more widely known band, but there seem to be so many people who like that band that cannot stand `Piper', so I figured this poll might have been a bit closer.
Good call, Tom! Man, that Caravan debut is a doozy...definitely one of the defining psych albums to my ears! It's strange, as much as I love it, I don't listen to it as much as the above two albums... 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 05:58
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^Me too Kangaroo. I thought most people into Floyd largely were because of what happened with Meddle and afterwards. These people are of course all wrong, as they're forgetting masterpieces such as Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother (Not to mention More  ).Edit: I have no idea on how to vote in this poll
 Love both and for quite the same reasons actually. I guess it's the young energy and naiveness about the two that really make them what they are (at least to me).------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 06:08
 Dave, I love (and 100% agree!  ) with your `These people are all wrong'! All those early precious psychedelic spacey gems!
The truth is, there's even that other bunch of the `mainstream' Floyd fans that will generally ignore that entire early period, arrive for `DSotM', `Wish You Were Here', skip `Animals', come back for `The Wall', drop off for `The Final Cut', and then show up one final time for `Momentary Lapse of Reason'...Hello commercial radio fans! 
Crap, now I'm ranting! So, in closing, my point is - go `More'! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 06:12
I know those Floyd fans......I used to be one, but luckily I've been cured. -Maybe not entirely - I still detest Final Cut with a vengeance. ....and yes, go More!!! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 06:41
It's all good, baby, you've seen the light, drunk the Kool Aid and got the psych flowing through your veins like a wonderful sickness! The same that has me overdosing on Embryo's `Father Son and Holy Ghost', `If 2' and Janus `Gravedigger' at work tonight! 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 06:45
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Aahhh m'lud! I thought I was the only one who was into that Embryo album. I absolutely adore it to be honest. I also happen to think it holds one of their best (if not THE best) tunes they ever put to record in King Insano. I don't know what it is about this one, but it never seizes to amaze me with it's spastic drumming, psych fusion and those wonderful swirling sections.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:11
| This question can be meditated for a good while... yet I think Soft Machine's work is better conceived |
Posted By: Sinful
Date Posted: August 30 2014 at 19:40
Which is my feelings too, However. I just read a book about Syd Barrett ( http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=CZMn-umwCVL2bBMWAsAfo0IG4BKyEycQGvIjSr70B_OnQo5kCCAQQASDJmKILKAVQ0fGNmv7_____AWDJzoyI8KPsEqABt_nP4APIAQeqBCRP0GClwn3IJzzUi7T1b7Hrs-33KInSD7TwR4JqJtR1nx83eQKABZBOugUTCI_ho_yfvMACFcmigAodsaMA3MAFBcoFAKAGJoAH_NGoLIgHAZAHAqgHpr4b4BLr8P_8luDI-qAB&ei=uWwCVM-gPMnFggSxx4LgDQ&sig=AOD64_3Ja5caSaBq0uxBL9rrC2WpSl9azg&ctype=5&rct=j&q=&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQvhc&adurl=http://www.audible.com/pd%3Fasin%3DB00475I5L0%26source_code%3DGPAGBSH0508140001%26mkwid%3Ds0Llr6jt4_dc%26pcrid%3D50790255300%26pmt%3Dbroad%26pkw%3DPLA" rel="nofollow - A Very Irregular Head: The Life of Syd Barrett by Rob Chapman ), and he basically says just the opposite, he fell in love with the band with Syd writing and was never able to enjoy the Waters stuff later. It is a different type of lyrics that basically make the difference, because really as far as music there is stuff like Astronomy Domine and Interstellar Overdrive that shows what was to come later musically. Obviously he knows he is in the minority, but that never means much when you love something like music. ------------- The Path is clear |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 18:43
Pink Floyd, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |