Concept Albums
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Topic: Concept Albums
Posted By: Wasted
Subject: Concept Albums
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:35
Hello people!!
Well...I recently discovered The Who - Tommy (a little late I guess) which is a very nice album. I was wondering if you can recommend me other concept albums or rock operas (except Pink Floyd which I already know by heart ).
Thanks!!
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:38
666 - Aphrodites Child
Misplaced Childhood - Marillion
Brave - Marillion
The Visitor - Arena
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:38
Buy the album to the left of this message... it will surpass Tommy and then some.![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:40
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
Buy the album to the left of this message... it will surpass Tommy and then some.![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I don't recognise it, who is it![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:41
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (Genesis '74)
The Snow Goose (Camel '75)
In a Glass House (Gentle Giant '73)
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:42
tuxon wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
Buy the album to the left of this message... it will surpass Tommy and then some.![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I don't recognise it, which is it![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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![](http://whobynumbers.com/pictures/albums/The_Who_Quadrophenia_CD.jpg)
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:44
Yeah, I changed the initial post to who is it, a bit too late ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:45
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 19:48
Not really that fabulous BTW, I like segments, but most of it bores me. I prefer Who's next which was intended to be another rock-opera, but they never got that project off the ground, but the music resulted in what i consider to be the Who's best album.
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Posted By: Maike
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 20:23
My current top 5 Concept albums
José Cid's "10000 anos depois entre Vénus e Marte"
(10000 years after between Venus and Mars)
Not your everyday prog album, but marvellous (Space ProgRock).
Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway
Yes - Tales From topographic oceans
Alice Cooper - Welcome to my nightmare
(not prog but a concept that only Mr Vincent Fournier would think of)
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (this one I consider a concept
because all the songs have a similar vibe and feel, its a very dark album
probably the closest to prog that Sabbath ever had, and Mr Wakeman was
in da house
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 20:29
Thick as a brick...Jethro Tull
A passion play...Jethro Tull
the others I know have already been said
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 03:08
a couple of my favorite concept albums:
Queensryche-Operation:Mindcrime
Marillion-Brave
Dream Theater-Scenes from a Memory
Jethro Tull-Thick as a Brick / Aqualung (even though it was just a bunch of songs )
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Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 03:13
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
AYREON - Into the electric castle - a space opera![](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
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Posted By: undefinability
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 03:45
As it had already been recommended, I'd like to second The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis. It probably has everything you're looking for.
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 04:13
In addition to those mentioned:
Kayak - Merlin, Bard of the Unseen.
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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 04:40
http://imageshack.us">
^my all-time fave album ![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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^this is also awesome, I just got this recently
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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 05:18
the mars volta - deloused in the comatorium is also a concept album. it revolves around a guy in a coma and his decision to live or die. good imagery and amazing music, but not run of the mill prog like genesis.
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Posted By: luc4fun
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 05:35
IQ-Subterranea
Genesis-The Lamb...
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 06:05
Sgt. Pepper is not a concept album as such.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 06:42
Dream Theater - "Scenes form a Memory" 1999
Ayreon - "The Human Equation" 2004
Ayreon - "Into The Electric Castle - A Space Opera" 1998 (not sure though)
Shadow Gallery - "Tyranny" 1998 + "Room V" 2005 ( a 2 part concept - I only know the 1st part but it brought me to my knees - ordered Room V some time ago...)
These are my fav...
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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 07:15
jesus christ superstar ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
(seriously, give it a try...)
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 07:56
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
Buy the album to the left of this message... it will surpass Tommy and then some.![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I do agree with you. IMO, "Quadrophenia" is far superior to "Tommy".
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 08:00
I would like to recommend "Days of Future Passed" by Moody Blues and "Arthur" by The Kinks. Both bands released lots of concept albums, but these are the ones I do like most. "Ogden's Nut Gone Flake", by The Small Faces, is considered as the first concept album - but I never listened to it. At least, in a historical point of view, this one is relevant.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 08:41
just a few off the top of my head:
Amon Düül 2 - "Made In Germany" (a rather satiric look at the history of Germany in the 20th century, including a fake interview with Adolf Hitler - using excerpts from speeches by him -, who is being introduced as the drummer of a rockband) Grobschnitt - "Rockpommels Land" (I don't like this album very much, but it is a concept album, and maybe you will like it. I'm just not too much into symphonic prog) Gong - the trilogy of albums "Flying Teapot", "Angel's Egg" and "You" follow a concept, telling the tale of Zero the Hero and his visit to planet Gong Mother Gong - "Robot Woman", parts 1-3 (another concept trilogy) Mother Gong - "Fairy Tales" is also a concept album in a way, since three fairy tales are being told on it, accompanied by music The Residents - "Eskimo" (allegedly a concept album based on the lives and music of the Eskimos, but you will find out after a while that it is all a hoax (definitely when they sing "Coca Cola is life" in the last track ) The Residents - "The Mole Trilogy" (another trilogy of albums) Aphrodite's Child - "666" (based on the apocalypse in the bible) Triumvirat - "Spartacus" (in the opinion of many, including me, an ELP clone) Klaus Schulze - "X" (this could be called a concept album, because Schulze tries musical biographies of several persons here) Klaus Schulze - "Mirage" (Schulze himself calls this "an electronic winter landscape", and I think the music on this album captures this perfectly. but only for friends of meditative electronic music) Jack Lancaster - "Marsscape" (sax-player Jack Lancaster backed up by the original Brand X, creating an instrumental portrait of the planet Mars)
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Posted By: milla
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 08:41
"Streets" by Savatage
"Dead Winter Dead" by Savatage is also meant to be a good album, though I've only heard a few songs from it
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 14:22
Ayreon - The human equation
The best concept album ever ..... only my opinnion ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 15:38
"The Snow Goose" and "Nude" - Camel.
"The Tain" and "The Book of Invasions" - Horslips
Grave New World - Strawbs
Five concept albums to die for; all masterpieces.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 15:44
Hehehehehehehe ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 16:01
since you like the who I think you allready have quadrophenia. if you dont have get it and love it.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 19:15
Kevin Gilbert-The Shaming of the True
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 21:49
Actually, I'm listening to The Shaming right now, thanks to the Progtologist (sort of, he knows what I mean.)
Progtologist, what happened to your awesome ass signature??
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 21:59
- Genesis - The Lamb Lies down on Broadway (1974)
- Gentle Giant - Power & The Glory (1974)
- Gentle Giant - Three Friends (1972)
- Yes - Tales from Topograohic Oceans (73-74)
- Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite (2000)
- Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From a Memory (1999)
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 22:02
Apart from many mentioned above some others worth checking out
- Spock's Beard - Snow
- Glass Hammer - The Inconsolable Secret
- Glass Hammer - Lex Rex
- Jethro Tull - A Passion Play (already mentioned)
Like most concept albums they require some patience and several listenings and in the case of double cd sets I find it best to listen to one cd at a time as there is usually a lot to take in ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 00:18
Tiresias wrote:
Actually, I'm listening to The Shaming right now, thanks to the Progtologist (sort of, he knows what I mean.)
Progtologist, what happened to your awesome ass signature??
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Changed it to this for awhile.My daughter found this for me on the net and asked me if I would use it.
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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:45
Here are some of my favorite concept albums:
-- The Inconsolable Secret, Glass Hammer
-- Lex Rex, Glass Hammer
-- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Genesis
-- Animals, Pink Floyd
-- Tales From Topographic Oceans, Yes
-- One, Neal Morse
-- The Sins Of Our Saviours, A Triggering Myth
-- Mei, Echolyn
-- Suffocating The Bloom, Echolyn
I could go on and on.
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Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 03:01
Genesis - The Lamb lies down on Broadway
Gentle Giant - Three friends
Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick
Arena - Contagion
IQ - Subterranea
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 03:53
how come I forgot to mention my absolute favorite concept album? very strange indeed. well, here it is:
Peter Hammill - The Fall of the House of Usher
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a full fledged opera. the characters:
Roderick Usher - Peter Hammill Montresor, his friend - Andy Bell Madeleine Usher - Lene Lovich the Herbalist - Herbert Grönemeyer the Chorus - Sarah Jane Morris the Voices of the House - Peter Hammill
to be listened to in the middle of the night by candlelight. prepare yourself for some shivers; this is a gothic tale, after all! giving the house a chorus of voices was a stroke of genius by Hammill; it is really creepy when they sing "We shall not let them go". highlights are the arias "I Shun the Light" and "The Lady Sleeps", the duet Usher/Montresor "Leave this House", to which the Chorus and the House add some comments, the "lost love" duet of Montresor and Madeleine and the whole 6th act, which slowly brings the music to a shuttering climax (the arrangement of the vocals is utterly fantastic in the grand final of the 6th act). but why mention a highlight? the whole opera is great!
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Posted By: Axis
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 04:13
Spocks Beard - SNOW (brilliant)
Camel - NUDE (underrated!)
Dream Theater - SCENES FROM A MEMORY (great musicianship)
Award for most tenuous link to conceptualism - ELP, Tarkus.
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 05:29
BaldJean wrote:
Amon Düül 2 - "Made In Germany" (a rather satiric look at the history of Germany in the 20th century, including a fake interview with Adolf Hitler - using excerpts from speeches by him -, who is being introduced as the drummer of a rockband)
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One of my all-time favourites! Most people tend to forget Amon Düül 2's middle period albums 1973-1975. Made in Germany came in two different versions: one double LP and one single LP. On the latter the Hitler interview was edited out along with the overture and the great tracks "Wir Wollen"/"Wilhelm Wilhelm"/"SM II Peng".
BaldJean wrote:
how come I forgot to mention my absolute favorite concept album? very strange indeed. well, here it is:
Peter Hammill - The Fall of the House of Usher
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Another winner! I've never heard the re-worked version though, only the original from 1991. To me the original is a five-star-classic (How can it be improved?)
A footnote: Fish was a candidate for the role of Montressor, but it would not work because his voice is too close to Hammill's.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 05:44
Mategra wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
how come I forgot to mention my absolute favorite concept album? very strange indeed. well, here it is:
Peter Hammill - The Fall of the House of Usher
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Another winner! I've never heard the re-worked version though, only the original from 1991. To me the original is a five-star-classic (How can it be improved?)
A footnote: Fish was a candidate for the role of Montressor, but it would not work because his voice is too close to Hammill's.
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it is even more brooding and dense now. also the drums have been removed (they didn't really fit into an opera, as Chris Judge-Smith pointed out to PH), and some violin (played by Stuart Gordon) has been added, as well as a few more layers of guitar. read what PH says about the new version here: http://www.sofasound.com/nlnov99.htm - http://www.sofasound.com/nlnov99.htm
if you already gave the first version 5 stars (which I would have done too had I not heard the 2nd one) you will be blown away by this
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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 06:45
Nude by Camel is great!!! ![](smileys/smiley32.gif)
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 06:53
A few others, all are reviewed in the Archives:
Italian:
BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO - Darwin!
LE ORME - Felona e Sorona
MUSEO ROSENBACH - Zarathustra
NUOVA ERA - Il Passo Del Soldato
TAPROBAN - Outside Nowhere
British:
RICK WAKEMAN - The Six Wives Of Henry VIII
THE ENID - Aerie Faerie Nonsense
German:
MAGMA - Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh (EDIT: French, not German)
TRIUMVIRAT - Illusions On A Double Dimple (it's quite a loose concept, but a concept nonetheless)
American:
TIMOTHY PURE - Island Of The Misfit Toys
Spanish:
MAGO DE OZ - Gaia
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 07:04
BaldJean wrote:
just a few off the top of my head:
Amon Düül 2 - "Made In Germany" (a rather satiric look at the history of Germany in the 20th century, including a fake interview with Adolf Hitler - using excerpts from speeches by him -, who is being introduced as the drummer of a rockband) Grobschnitt - "Rockpommels Land" (I don't like this album very much, but it is a concept album, and maybe you will like it. I'm just not too much into symphonic prog) Gong - the trilogy of albums "Flying Teapot", "Angel's Egg" and "You" follow a concept, telling the tale of Zero the Hero and his visit to planet Gong Mother Gong - "Robot Woman", parts 1-3 (another concept trilogy) Mother Gong - "Fairy Tales" is also a concept album in a way, since three fairy tales are being told on it, accompanied by music The Residents - "Eskimo" (allegedly a concept album based on the lives and music of the Eskimos, but you will find out after a while that it is all a hoax (definitely when they sing "Coca Cola is life" in the last track ) The Residents - "The Mole Trilogy" (another trilogy of albums) Aphrodite's Child - "666" (based on the apocalypse in the bible) Triumvirat - "Spartacus" (in the opinion of many, including me, an ELP clone) Klaus Schulze - "X" (this could be called a concept album, because Schulze tries musical biographies of several persons here) Klaus Schulze - "Mirage" (Schulze himself calls this "an electronic winter landscape", and I think the music on this album captures this perfectly. but only for friends of meditative electronic music) Jack Lancaster - "Marsscape" (sax-player Jack Lancaster backed up by the original Brand X, creating an instrumental portrait of the planet Mars)
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Jack Lancaster, from Bloodwyn Pig? This is a surprise to me... Never thought that he could release an entire concept album!!
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 07:14
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
German:
MAGMA - Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh
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Magma are French, not German . but a great band and a great album . in fact MDK is just a part of a nonology of albums. arguably the biggest concept in prog, featuring the adventures of the "Kreuhn Khörmahn" (not sure about the spelling), the fictitious crew of a spaceship. just what exactly the story is I don't know though, since the lyrics are in Kobaiah, the language spoken on the planet Kobah. I once stumbled across a rudimentary English - Kobaiah dictionary, but unfortunately did not bookmark the page. anyway, there were only about 50 or 60 entries in it; definitely not enough to understand the lyrics of Magma
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 07:48
M. B. Zapelini wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
just a few off the top of my head:
Jack Lancaster - "Marsscape" (sax-player Jack Lancaster backed up by the original Brand X, creating an instrumental portrait of the planet Mars)
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Jack Lancaster, from Bloodwyn Pig? This is a surprise to me... Never thought that he could release an entire concept album!!
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yes, one and the same. since there are no lyrics on this album it is not much of a concept, though there are explanations to the song titles which make them fit together. and on some tracks, like "Hopper", you can definitely hear what the music is referring to, you get a mental picture.
would be a good addition to the database, by the way. here the cover, the line-up and the track list:
![Coverbild](http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/cover/777.jpg)
Jack Lancaster - Lyricons, Saxophones, Flutes, Violin, Watergong, Pan pipes Robin Lumley - Pianos, Harmonium, Synthesizers, Autoharp, Hammond Organ John Goodsall - Guitars Percy Jones - Bass Phil Collins - Drums, Percussion Morris Pert - Percussion Bernie Frost - Voices Simon Jeffes - Koto Geoff Leach - ARP Synthesizer Programming
Tracks:
1. Take Off 3:08 2. Sail on Solar Winds 2:48 3. Arrival 1:53 4. Phobos and Deimos 4:49 5. With a Great Feeling of Love 2:46 6. Olympus Mons 2:14 7. Homelight 5:22 8. Hopper 3:26 9. Dust Storm 4:21 10. Blowholes (The Pipes of Mars) 3:28 11. Realisation 3:06 12. Release 6:13
on the cover I copied into here the album is credited to Jack Lancaster and Robin Lumley, but on the cover of the version we have at home it is credited to Lancaster alone.
certainly an obscurity, just like the "Peter and the Wolf" album (which also has all of Brand X + several other musicans playing on it)
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 07:50
BaldJean wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
German:
MAGMA - Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh
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Magma are French, not German . but a great band and a great album . in fact MDK is just a part of a nonology of albums. arguably the biggest concept in prog, featuring the adventures of the "Kreuhn Khörmahn" (not sure about the spelling), the fictitious crew of a spaceship. just what exactly the story is I don't know though, since the lyrics are in Kobaiah, the language spoken on the planet Kobah. I once stumbled across a rudimentary English - Kobaiah dictionary, but unfortunately did not bookmark the page. anyway, there were only about 50 or 60 entries in it; definitely not enough to understand the lyrics of Magma
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Whoops! And I even mentioned that Vander is French in my review of the album.
Anyway, I find the following site is a good reference on MAGMA:
http://www.furious.com/perfect/magma.html - http://www.furious.com/perfect/magma.html
Vander's wife is a member of the ProgArchives forums, but has not posted for over a year. She used her Kobaian name as her forum nickname.
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Posted By: dreamtheater91
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 09:17
What concept albums are very good but metal?
Also whats best Yes, ELP, and Genesis to start with
And best Pain of Salvation to start with (which are concepts?)
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Posted By: beterdedthnred4
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 09:28
I second Jesus Christ superstar BUT ONLY THE ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING
with Ian Gillan and Murry Head as Jesus and Judas respectively....
and now for something completely different:
Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention- We're only in it for the money
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 09:33
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear
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Posted By: dreamtheater91
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 09:37
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal).I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear |
I know thats fine. I was just looking for something like Dream Theater
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TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM!
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Posted By: ErotomanicGhost
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 09:55
I see no one has posted it and i can't believe it...
AYREON - The human equation
wow, that's concept, that's progression surely one of my favs.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 09:59
ErotomanicGhost wrote:
I see no one has posted it and i can't believe it...
AYREON - The human equation
wow, that's concept, that's progression surely one of my favs.
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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 10:01
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept
album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to
include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to
be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the
concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few
metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would
have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and
incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time
(whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not
give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be
described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I
am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to
me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal
through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at
least one ballad would appear |
How about Iron Maiden's Seventh Son of a Seventh Son? It has
quiet moments, but there's nothing there that could really be
classified as a ballad.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 10:06
Citanul wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear |
How about Iron Maiden's Seventh Son of a Seventh Son? It has quiet moments, but there's nothing there that could really be classified as a ballad.
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7th son isnt a heavy metal album.. Is a prog rock concept album for me.. and its grand.. my fav Maiden album... And there's absolutley no metal in it...
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Posted By: milla
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 14:14
dreamtheater91 wrote:
What concept albums are very good but metal?
Also whats best Yes, ELP, and Genesis to start with
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If you are lookign for metal concept albums try:
Savatage - Streets
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (sort of a concept album....)
and of course Dream Theater, but looking at your name i guess you already know about them! ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: milla
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 14:21
Here's an unusual one that no one has mentioned yet:
Bob Johnson & Peter Knight: The King of Elfland's Daughter
Two members of Steeleye Span, and based on the book by Lord Dunsany.
Has anyone else heard this, or even heard of it?
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 14:23
nope, but I like the stories of Dunsany, in which the little folk (as a truly superstitious Irishwoman who puts a bowl of red wine in front of the door for the little folk each evening I dare not call them anything else. by the way, the bowl is empty each morning, which is proof they do exist ) get a sinister touch and are not the rather amusing little creatures with wngs
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 14:37
Here's some more metal concept albums:
- Avantasia - The Metal Opera ( no prog here)
- Adagio - Underworld
- Symphony X - V
- Pain of Salvation - Entropia, OHbtCL, Perfect Element Pt. 1, Remedy Lane
- Kamelot - Karma, Epica, The Black Halo
- Sonata Arctica - Silence (no prog, but prog influences)
- Shadow Gallery - Tyranny, Room V
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 14:54
dreamtheater91 wrote:
Also whats best Yes, ELP, and Genesis to start with
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If you are completely new to these three groups -- and trying to take into account your enjoyment of DT -- I would recommend the following:
YES - "Close To The Edge" (or "Fragile" if you want something a little more accessible.)
ELP - s/t first album (As you're a DT fan, you may enjoy the heavier parts of this album - the first track starts with a real punch.)
GENESIS - "Foxtrot" (I think you'll enjoy Watcher Of The Skies, for starters, plus this album should be known and understood by all Prog Rock fans.)
Good luck! Let us know what you think of them.
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Posted By: DracoMordag
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:12
Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory
(^kick ass)
Dead Air Fidelity - Revolutions
(COMING SUMMER 2006!)
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Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:14
opeth - still life
ayreon - the human equation
have the best concepts imo
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 18 2005 at 19:18
Isn't Pictures at an Exhibition a concept album, whether by ELP or other artists, after all it is about a walk through an art gallery (correct me once agin if i'm wrong).
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Posted By: milla
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 08:15
tangerine62 wrote:
Isn't Pictures at an Exhibition a concept album,
whether by ELP or other artists, after all it is about a walk through
an art gallery (correct me once agin if i'm wrong). |
Yes Mussorgsky wrote the piece based on an art exhibition of one of his friends works - you can see some of the pictures http://www.stmoroky.com/reviews/gallery/pictures/hartmann.htm - here
I suppose that can be regarded as a concept album - perhaps we need a new category Progressive Classical!
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Posted By: ProgPartin
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 11:20
Savatage has some of the best stories in their concepts. Streets is a
good album, but Dead Winter Dead is my favorite story. It is about 2
people from different sides in Yogoslavia, One battle forthe moslums
and the other for the christians. It does not take sides. Paul Oneil
who writes the lyrics and story showed a true sence of what it is like
to be apart of it. It is not some fantasy story but a look at a
horrable time in our own true recent history. It has very heavey
agressive guitar work. Some of the best lead. To pieces with orchestra.
It flows nicely and can really move you. One child has a vocal layering
segment that can almost make you cry. It is about a soldgier who comes
a school hit by a bomb and sees whats left. As a father myself it is
very heart wrenching. Savagate may not have the same musical prowless
as DT, but this to me is true concept tht a much more meaningful story
then Scenes.
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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 11:38
My current personal fave is Genesis' "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway." It is such a great album with more and more to delve into everytime you listen to it ![](smileys/smiley32.gif)
Other current faves include; Frances the Mute by The Mars Volta, Nude by Camel & Tales From The Topographic Ocean by Yes. ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
You gotta buy them all and they will all be a big step up from Tommy!! ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 12:02
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear |
I'm sorry, but I would have to disagree with you. It's true that there are a lot of metal bands who sing exclusively about death, violence and destruction, but there are also a few who tackle more more 'intellectual' topics. Talking about concept albums, there are two great ones made by metal bands: namely, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden and of course the majestic Operation: Mindcrime by Queensryche. The subject matter of both is not what you would call cheerful, nevertheless it has very little to do with gratuitous 'violence and destruction'.
As to other concept albums I would recommend, obviously there's the Pink Floyd 'triple whammy' of Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall, the two already mentioned by the Who and Thick as a Brick.
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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 14:03
beterdedthnred4 wrote:
I second Jesus Christ superstar BUT ONLY THE ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING with Ian Gillan and Murry Head as Jesus and Judas respectively....
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WHAT?!?! you prefer THAT version to the film version?!?! very strange...I've listened to both and I undoubtedly prefer the film version: the singers are all in great shape, the re-done parts are way better (especially Pilate and Mary Magdalene), and Ted Neeley and Carl Anderson are amazing!!!! (maybe because besides being singers, they were also actors...and so they ACT WHILE SINGING!!!)...
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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 14:16
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear |
dear jean, I'm so sorry to hear something like that from YOU!!!! I really don't think metal is all about destruction and violence or whatever, it is just music with a heavier sound! There's a lot of clever metal out there, ever heard of Living Colour? And, about what you said on the different kinds of moods, metal DOES imply the use of "dynamics"...
...you don't know what an electric guitar can do!!!
(I'm sure you know, I'm just kidding )
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Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 16:43
Sigmund Snopek III -Trinity - Seas Seize Sees
Sigmund Snopek III (Progressive Rock) http://www.sigmundsnopek.com/index.html - http://www.sigmundsnopek.com/index.html
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Posted By: Norm Cash
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:03
A few that I haven't seen mentioned yet, and which I'd recommend, are:
Tales Of Mystery & Imagination (The Alan Parsons Project)
Claude Monet Vol. 1 1883-1889 (XII Alfonso)
The Eye Of Wendor (Mandalaband)
...none of which are prog metal.
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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:11
SF Sorrow by the Pretty Things. More psychedelic than prog. However still enjoyable and full of mellotron.
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 22:37
Andrew Lloyd Webber - Jesus Christ Superstar
listen to it with an open mind and you'll LOVE it. one of the finest rock operas ever made.
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Posted By: patomtz
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 17:10
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Dream Theater - "Scenes form a Memory" 1999
Ayreon - "The Human Equation" 2004
Ayreon - "Into The Electric Castle - A Space Opera" 1998 (not sure though)
Shadow Gallery - "Tyranny" 1998 + "Room V" 2005 ( a 2 part concept - I only know the 1st part but it brought me to my knees - ordered Room V some time ago...)
These are my fav...
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 17:39
Posted By: Arnold Layne
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:07
Wasted wrote:
Hello people!!
Well...I recently discovered The Who - Tommy (a little late I guess) which is a very nice album. I was wondering if you can recommend me other concept albums or rock operas (except Pink Floyd which I already know by heart ).
Thanks!!
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hey, i just discovered The Who too but i bought who's next instead. they probably have already been mentioned but my two favorite concept albums are thick as a brick and a passion play by jethro tull
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Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 22:59
2112 and Hemispheres by Rush
The Rise and Fall of Ziggi Stardust by David Bowie
Scenes of a Memory Metropolis Part II by Dream Theater
In the Court of The Crimson King and Larks' Tongues in Aspic by King Crimson
Thick as a Brick and Aqualung by Jethro Tull
The Perfect Element Part 1 by Pain of Salvation
Meddle by Pink Floyd
Tales from the Topographic Oceans by Yes
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Posted By: Ironing Mike
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 00:32
Before there was Tommy, the Who recorded a mini-opera called "A Quick
One" - it occupies half of side two of an album by the same name. I heard it
performed live by the group on a revolving stage at the Sydney Stadium in
1967.
As far as concept albums go, I favour Jethro Tull's "A Passion Play".
Taa
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 00:42
I would definately say just go for all Floyd "Meddle" thru "The Wall"
Rush - 2112, Hemispheres
Yes - Close To The Edge, Tales From Topographic Oceans
Phish - Rift (no one has mentioned this one)
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick, A Passion Play
The Who - Quadrophenia
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
*** Although some of these are not considered concept albums, they are very conceptual
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 03:40
Ghost Rider wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear |
I'm sorry, but I would have to disagree with you. It's true that there are a lot of metal bands who sing exclusively about death, violence and destruction, but there are also a few who tackle more more 'intellectual' topics. Talking about concept albums, there are two great ones made by metal bands: namely, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden and of course the majestic Operation: Mindcrime by Queensryche. The subject matter of both is not what you would call cheerful, nevertheless it has very little to do with gratuitous 'violence and destruction'.
As to other concept albums I would recommend, obviously there's the Pink Floyd 'triple whammy' of Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall, the two already mentioned by the Who and Thick as a Brick.
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you miss my point. if they don't sing about violence and destruction, then why the metal? it is the incongruency of lyrics and music that I dislike about most metal.
with a band like VdGG you don't need to understand a word to get at least a vague impression of what the song is about; I seriously doubt this is possible with a metal band (unless they refrain from metal for a change)
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 03:55
BaldJean wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
in my opinion the combination of "metal" and "concept album" does not work, unless you would either alllow the band to include a few non-metal songs or the concept of the album would have to be about violence and destruction all the time. or another idea, the concept could be "contest of metal bands", and then a few metal bands with different styles that take part in that contest would have to be invented (of course all would have to be portrayed and incorporated by the same band). but playing full power all the time (whch is my understanding of "prog metal"; anything else I would not give that name) just reduces the range of emotions and situations to be described (which is why I am not a great fan of prog metal). I am quite sure there will be a lot or responses now that will prove to me there are prog metal concept albums, but how many of them are metal through and through? I am pretty sure that on such a concept album at least one ballad would appear |
I'm sorry, but I would have to disagree with you. It's true that there are a lot of metal bands who sing exclusively about death, violence and destruction, but there are also a few who tackle more more 'intellectual' topics. Talking about concept albums, there are two great ones made by metal bands: namely, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden and of course the majestic Operation: Mindcrime by Queensryche. The subject matter of both is not what you would call cheerful, nevertheless it has very little to do with gratuitous 'violence and destruction'.
As to other concept albums I would recommend, obviously there's the Pink Floyd 'triple whammy' of Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall, the two already mentioned by the Who and Thick as a Brick.
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you miss my point. if they don't sing about violence and destruction, then why the metal? it is the incongruency of lyrics and music that I dislike about most metal.
with a band like VdGG you don't need to understand a word to get at least a vague impression of what the song is about; I seriously doubt this is possible with a metal band (unless they refrain from metal for a change)
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It doesn't have to be loud, or even agressive, to be "metal" - true, the vast majority of metal bands' music is more suited to negative emotions, but not always violence and destruction. It is also not uncommon for metal songs to have very quiet, reflective passages - even down to just an acoustic guitar for a few minutes. Metallica were doing this twenty years ago and there wasn't anything to do with a concept there. I'm sure you don't want to listen to an example ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) , but "One" or "To Live is to Die" from the record "And Justice For All" have long stretches of completely passive and undestructive music ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 04:54
BaldJean wrote:
you miss my point. if they don't sing about violence and destruction, then why the metal? it is the incongruency of lyrics and music that I dislike about most metal.
with a band like VdGG you don't need to understand a word to get at least a vague impression of what the song is about; I seriously doubt this is possible with a metal band (unless they refrain from metal for a change)
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You don't know enough good (prog) metal then, because good metal albums are just as varied as good prog rock albums, ESPECIALLY the concept albums.
I recommend you make a "leap of faith" and buy one of these albums and listen to it in its entirety:
- Adagio - Underworld
- Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory
- Pain of Salvation - Entropia
- Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
- Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
- Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
You will notice that these bands are extremely good at adjusting their songs to the respective moods ... the vocals, the instrumentation ... everything.
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 05:45
Symphony X - The Odyssey
Savatage - Magellans Wake
Ayreon - The Human Equation
Shadow Gallery - Room V
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:35
Operation Mindcrime varied? I wouldn't say it was, partictularly (good record though, don't get me wrong!).
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:46
goose wrote:
Operation Mindcrime varied? I wouldn't say it was, partictularly (good record though, don't get me wrong!). |
Operation Mindcrime is a Melodic Metal / Hard Rock album and IMO not very progressive. It is brilliant though and it is very varied - every song is carefully crafted to reflect the storyline, most apparently in Suite Sister Mary, Empty Room, etc.
It is not a good example of a (Symphonic) Prog album, but an outstanding Metal album (one of the top 10 metal concept albums in MOST books).
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:53
Jethro tull - Thick as a brick
- Passion play
Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway
Yes - Tales from a topografic ocean
Pink floyd - Ummagumma
Gong - Shamal
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