Albums u like/dislike with low/high ratings on PA.
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Topic: Albums u like/dislike with low/high ratings on PA.
Posted By: ProgSword
Subject: Albums u like/dislike with low/high ratings on PA.
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 01:27
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Note: Sorry for purposefully misspelling "you". I consider myself a grammar Nazi, but I really wanted to fit the whole topic title. :) What albums do you really enjoy that are rated poorly on Progarchives (think below 3.8), as well as the ones you don't really see anything special about that happened to be rated highly. And I'm not talking "oh, I don't see what was so wrong/good with that" for the former. I'm referring more towards, "oh my goodness, what were they THINKING on PA??" Naturally, this can go both ways. I'll throw out some personal examples. Dream Theater: Love - Falling Into Infinity. Still can't believe the hate for this album. DT created a solid prog rock album, and it was skewered for not being metal. Dislike - Six Degrees. BORING. The second disc is fantastic though (which is pretty much the opposite of what most people think). Yes: Love - Drama. Up there with Relayer, Going for the One, and Fragile IMO. Dislike - Tales from Topographic Oceans. Really? Almost a 3.9? I've never felt like this album was anything special, and it's universally condemned all but here it seems. Opeth: Love - Morningrise. Very exciting album. Tons of bone-crushing riffs and very proggy song structure. Dislike - Heritage. I hate to use the term "prog by numbers", but this is what comes to mind when I see that phrase. Folklore is one of their best songs though. Return to Forever: Love - No Mystery. Maybe it's because the funky side of jazz fusion isn't well-accepted here, but I can't tell you how many times I've given this a spun. It's an addictive album. Dislike - Romantic Warrior. I actually don't dislike this album, but of the first six RTF albums, this is the only one I feel lukewarm about. I think most people on PA like it so much because it's the closest thing they did to Prog, but I prefer the looser structure of their jazzier albums. So feel free to share (or provide backlash haha), and don't be afraid to go and "deviate from the norm" as Neil Peart would say lol.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 01:35
I am a fond believer in the 2 'Prog Collective' albums masterminded by bassist Billy Sherwood. I don't get what's all the dislike of these projects...... 
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Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 01:38
Below 3.8 out of 5, poor? Interesting.
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ProgSword wrote:Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 03:50
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I'm with you on Morningrise. It might be my favorite of theirs. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 04:18
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My vote goes to Voivod's first two LPs, War and Pain and Rrröööaaarrr. They might not be as technically accomplished or complex in songwriting as what the band would do afterwards, true, but I still think they're extremely inventive in terms of instrumental interplay and how the riffs are constructed. The entire sound is very off-kilter which helps a lot in creating that weird futuristic aesthetic that set Voivod apart from most other 1980s metal groups. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 05:13
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^Agreed on Voivod. Great thread!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 06:10
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I genuinely don't think there are any albums with high ratings that I dislike. Being a bit bored at times and 'dislike' are not the same. If it was being a bit bored at times then early Tangerine Dream and Dark Side Of The Moon and also a good portion of King Crimson's catalogue. Albums that I like with low rating tend to be albums with short tracks that struggle to be prog albums in the first place. 2 examples are Le Parc by Tangerine Dream ( the music is much better than a 2 but then the rating system advises against giving a 4 or 5 so I gave a 3) and Glass Hammer - Three Cheers For The Broken Hearted which I absolutely love and gave 5 stars for 'tactical' reasons. However its rating of around 3 is probably fair.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 08:49
| There's too many to count or mention. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 12:32
| Boxes Paradise by Sensations' Fix only got three stars on the 'Archive. Oh, fooey. It's obviously not in the realm of deserving five stars, but every song is a gem, ranging from a little pop to full-blown progressive. Very creative. It's easily a four-star effort. Thanks, Franco. |
Posted By: Gil1038
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 08:54
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I love Works Pt.1 by ELP, one of the most bashed album here on PA. And I can't stand The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway despite all the love that gets, In The Cage is the only good track in there in my opinion.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 14:43
In my mind both albums are inconsistent but absolutely brilliant in places. However the ratings are miles apart. Just shows that having a proper 'concept' or flow is vital. ELP's album lacks both unfortunately.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 17:07
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I enjoy Asia, GTR, and Open Your Eyes quite a bit. There is something to say for melodicism and the performances on each of them are quite good. Frank Zappa's We're Only In It For the Money just sounds like random noise to me, while Gentle Giant's Three Friends is probably my least favorite album out of the six albums I have of theirs. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 21:30
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I also loved Glass Hammer's Three Cheers for the Broken Hearted. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 00:29
| Gotta say it - ELP 's 'Love Beach'. It's not as dog-awful as many claim. It's not great, but I've heard much worse. |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 01:19
There's something really wrong if rating below 3,8 should count as low  ... but as for lowest rated album on PA that I still like would be this one: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10549" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10549 Nothing prog here for sure, but Jeff Lynne's melodic songwriting is still irresistible.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 01:29
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 09:35
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I have tried but can't get into Opeth. They seem to be the best thing since sliced bread in the prog metal world. I find their formula unsatisfying. On the other hand i love the first two Asia album and much of the hated poppier prog. I have no problem with art pop and accessible music. I love Yes' 90215 |
Posted By: Wheelspawn
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 16:58
| Ocean by Eloy. This album has what, a 4.1? Almost no guitars and plenty of aimless keyboard solos. The vocalist shouts some lyrics about Atlantis while new-age synth pads play in the background. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 09:15
| But outside of "aimless", how do you really feel? |
Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 10:22
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I love prog-pop stuff. Albums like Duke by Genesis and Azure D'or by Renaissance spring to mind.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 16:38
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Godspeeds F#A#Infinity is rated quite highly, but I absolutely despise that album as the worst thing I've ever heard. I can't really think of an album that's been rated lowly (I'll say less than a 3.0, 3.8 is a good rating) that has more than a handful of ratings/reviews. In those cases it only takes 1 low rating review from a collab/reviewer to drop the rating like a stone. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:14
I have that album and its the only album that I have by that band. I rated it a 5 but then have never explored the rest of their output for some reason. Do you have anything else by them to compare it to?
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:34
Albums I like with low ratings here on PA are GG's The Missing Piece and Giant for a Day. I don't get the hate for them  Others are albums by Rush, Yes, and Genesis like Rush(s/t), Fly by Night, Caress of Steel, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Tormato, Big Generator, The Ladder, Abacab, Genesis(Shapes), Invisible Touch. I love that material but then again I believe I am more open-minded and not as picky when it comes to the music I listen to  . Albums I that I dislike that are rated high are... Well there is this one that many on here adore and sometimes can't come to grips to think that it cannot be criticized(of course it can). I am of course talking about... ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:45
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I also agree that Court is overrated and maybe a 3 star album for me, but I myself wouldn't say I dislike it at all. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:47
^^ It is the only one I can think of. I don't hate it but I definitely don't really like it either 
The first two tracks are good but after that??? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:29
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Not on PA, but there's a lot of despise for the 2 Buggles albums, I think they are quite fine, and related regardless.
There really are many crossover acts that deserve more attention.....(I think)........ |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 03:03
Same here. I've always found them a band that's brilliant in theory but unsatisfying in execution. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 09:25
We are back to the ratings game again.....maybe we should turn the thread into the 'how are ratings arrived at and why and what really is prog rock after all', since that never gets old.
 I honestly can't think of any high rated ones that fit a 'dislike' category though there are many I'm neutral or indifferent about. I'm sure I could find one or two low rated ones I think should be rated higher that I like , but I'm too lazy right now.
I suppose regarding highly rated ones TFTO is one I rarely play though I can't say I dislike it. And there are a couple by GG and VDGG that are rated well that I also find a little annoying at times.
As far as disliking if you insisted I could probably name a few high rated prog metal/tech metal things that fit the bill.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 10:02
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Hi,
Honestly, each time I sit down and try to write something on this thread, I don't want to!
There is not enough "dislike" of anything. It is all music, and everyone has a right to do it and love it and appreciate it and I don't think we have the right to say it's wrong, or that our opinions are (supposedly) better than the albums and the musicians' efforts.
I would rather have these efforts, right or wrong, in tune or out of tune, than listen to the folks here bitching about the grass beeing poop'ier on the other side than the one here!!!!!
    ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 13:44
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Animals. Extremely formulaic album. The three songs are structurally almost identical - and harmonically, too (I can't imagine how David Gilmour didn't get bored playing an entire album in E-, although then again, I suppose he did and that contributed to the now-legendary friction). I personally feel that the performances are a little uninspired as well. The band doesn't seem to gel all that well, and there's nothing really interesting happening there - and that talkbox solo on Pigs has got to be one of the most masturbatory things the band's committed to tape since, oh wow, probably the Saucerful days. An overblown album with virtually no variety. As far as I'm concerned it marks the point where Pink Floyd was killed by internal conflict and Waters' towering ego, and I have no idea why so many people love it.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 05:33
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 05:57
^I'm with you on this one, sir. In fact - I find most of Dream Theater's music to be boring and overrated...despite being a massive Symphony X fan. I guess I just know what I like. I've seen DT live several times, and they were just loud and unimpressive to me.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 06:18
I have the New Zero Kanada EP, Moya is a decent track, more classical than they normally do and by there standards very fast paced and "busy". I can't remember the name of the other track but it's the same kind of stuff as I found on Infinity and I hated it just as much. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 13:34
That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 15:36
I saw them with Queensryche, and at the time, DT was still playing like they had something to prove and they really made QR look like a cheap hit/radio rock band.
The musicianship, in DT, was far and away better than the pretentious rock band that played a few things that supposedly made them a better band (and the "main attraction") than all the others. All in all, even Fates Warning made QR look poor. and their material is far more difficult to do and challenging on a stage!
DT is not perfect, but if Mike was playing a violin, instead of a loud guitar, we would be gushing all over it, and say that it would be one of the best bands ever. I don't think they are the best, but they are very good, and one has to be crazy to not know/understand and appreciate the musicianship involved. FAR and FAR better than so many rock bands, including some listed in the top 100 for PA!
But yeah ... sometimes the "metal" side of it seems too much. But the wird side of it is that I still do not hear "metal" in it. I hear some incredible work going on in the notes, chords and interplay. But, I guess that I forgot that, it is not what the "progressive archives bored" is all about. It doesn't sound like Genesis or ELP and therefore it's merde, or is this just another word for "metal"? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:28
A lot of people like the earlier DT material when they were not just trying to play a million notes a minute and actually wrote some very passable songs. Its a matter of taste. The problem with DT is the material not the quality of playing. I'm finding with some bands I enjoy them more when they cover other bands music. DT did some great covers of classic prog and rock tracks on the Change Of Seasons album and also Transatlantic have put together a brilliant covers CD on the latest album. Much better than the hackneyed disc one imo.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:38
I'll flat out say it. I dislike most of their material  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:49
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I think that Porcupine Tree's Signify should have a much higher rating, all of Gojiras albums should be rated higher as well, but I understand that people really dislike harsh vocals here so no biggie. I don't get the love for "The Raven that Refused to Sing", like at all.
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:49
Home is a good song, it's not easy bein cheesy.
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 05:22
I'm glad I'm not the only one
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Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 17:43
| I never understood what's the big deal about Anglagard...or Steven Wilson's solo stuff. |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 18:09
Exactly. A band can have the technical proficiency of virtuosos but if the songwriting isn't good, then I'm not interested, which is my problem with progressive metal in general. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 02:05
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Posted By: PJ20
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 06:36
Pink Floyd- The Wall |
Posted By: PJ20
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 06:37
Wish you were here as well |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 06:46
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