Favorite Live King Crimson
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Topic: Favorite Live King Crimson
Posted By: Fredobobrick
Subject: Favorite Live King Crimson
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 21:07
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What is everybody's favorite live King Crimson album? I've heard USA and Collectable King Crimson One, but have not heard 'The Great Deceiver', 'Epitaph', 'The Nightwatch', or any of the King Crimson Collector Club releases.
With so many to choose from, what is your favorite? Please don't be that one guy that says Earthbound.
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Posted By: Fredobobrick
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 21:10
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And with that asked, what are the overlaps in releases? I know that "USA" and "Collectable... One" release the same shows, but do the others overlap at all? I'm trying to decide what to get myself for my birthday and don't want to spend money on a show that I already have or am planning to get.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 21:11
From the ones I've heard, Bremen 1972. Great 30 minute jam and a fantastic version of Larks part 1 (and a decent version of Exiles). Absent Lovers comes close, too
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Posted By: Fredobobrick
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 21:24
 smartpatrol wrote:
From the ones I've heard, Bremen 1972. Great 30 minute jam and a fantastic version of Larks part 1 (and a decent version of Exiles). Absent Lovers comes close, too
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Great! Just what I was looking for. Apparently it was all recorded on video too, and I'll take a gander at the clips I found on Youtube before I buy it. Thanks!
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 21:55
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I'm not sure, I've got a few, though far from all of them. I like Collectible part 1 a lot. I don't have USA, and don't plan on getting it given that one of the concerts on Collectible 1 is the same from USA. I also have "The Great Deceiver", but that one repeats lot's of songs, and I feel Collectible has the better versions of the songs in most cases. And then there's part 3 or 4 (of Collectible King Crimson) which has a concert with the double trio which is very good too (I guess I might have liked Vroom Vroom too, but haven't been able to get it).
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 22:06
Fredobobrick wrote:
Please don't be that one guy that says Earthbound. |
Well, ... it is the only live Crimson album I've heard so far, so ... I like almost every track on it.  SABB is also a partly live album, and I like every live track on it too.
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Posted By: Fredobobrick
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 22:22
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Fredobobrick wrote:
Please don't be that one guy that says Earthbound. |
Well, ... it is the only live Crimson album I've heard so far, so ... I like almost every track on it. SABB is also a partly live album, and I like every live track on it too.
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You have no idea what you are missing out on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhudDa3JAyc
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 23:15
^ Yeah, ... but this is not a live album. And I've seen that clip before. And the studio version is better than the one in the clip. 
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: March 09 2014 at 23:20
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Either Great Deceiver or Absent Lovers.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 12:53
Essential :
Epitaph vol. 1&2
Summit Studios '72
The Night Watch/The Great Deceiver
Absent Lovers
Déja Vrooom DVD
Eyes Wide Open DVD
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 21:45
Barbu wrote:
Essential :
Epitaph vol. 1&2
Summit Studios '72
The Night Watch/The Great Deceiver
Absent Lovers
Déja Vrooom DVD
Eyes Wide Open DVD
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I would think that Epitaph vol 1 is enough. That's the only one I got, but I checked track lists and reviews before deciding to get only vol 1, and for what I remember the tracklists were very very similar, and the sound quality on vol 2 was suposed to be much worse. As for the Wetton era concerts, I don't know "The Night Watch", but I do have "The Great Deceiver", as well as "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", and I would give the edge to Collectible. Once again, the tracklist is very similar (though "Great Deceiver" has more CD's, so it repeasts tracks more times), and I like better most of the tracks on Collectible.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 22:03
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Great Deceiver is definitive as far as I am concerned
I also like the following
Heavy Construkction Asbury Park 74 Zoom Club 72 Philadelphia 96 Brescia 74 New Haven 01 (because I was there)
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 22:07
The Great Deceiver (If you had to limit yourself to one...)
Absent Lovers
The Night Watch
Heavy ConstruKction
Vroom Vroom
Epitaph
(And The Collectable Crimson Vol 1 which you said you had already)
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 22:15
Man With Hat wrote:
The Night Watch
Epitaph
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I have 30 KC albums and I still need these two grrrr.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 22:17
Dellinger wrote:
Barbu wrote:
Essential :
Epitaph vol. 1&2
Summit Studios '72
The Night Watch/The Great Deceiver
Absent Lovers
Déja Vrooom DVD
Eyes Wide Open DVD
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I would think that Epitaph vol 1 is enough. That's the only one I got, but I checked track lists and reviews before deciding to get only vol 1, and for what I remember the tracklists were very very similar, and the sound quality on vol 2 was suposed to be much worse. As for the Wetton era concerts, I don't know "The Night Watch", but I do have "The Great Deceiver", as well as "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", and I would give the edge to Collectible. Once again, the tracklist is very similar (though "Great Deceiver" has more CD's, so it repeasts tracks more times), and I like better most of the tracks on Collectible. |
Epitaph vol. 3&4 are for completists only. The Night Watch is a must even if you already have TGD Dellinger.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 22:34
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
The Night Watch
Epitaph
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I have 30 KC albums and I still need these two grrrr. |
You do. 
Especially, Epitaph. My only complaint is with the sound quality which is quite variable (but never truly awful)...but boy do they accentuate all the positives of that early phase in KC's career.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 22:43
My favorite by far is the Great Deceiver box set....though I also like Epitaph parts 1 and 2.
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Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 23:09
The Great Deceiver! I haven't heard it in a while since my box set got yoinked, but it is the ultimate live Fripp/Bruford/Wetton/Cross KC experience. There's a version of Talking Drum on there that is beyond amazing, the rest is merely amazing. And so many improvs. Some of the audience chatter is great too. The end of one of Cross' drawn-out violin solos is punctuated by an audible "Well that took a while to get there". Come to think of it that might have been Bruford. Seems like something he'd say.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 10 2014 at 23:48
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My favorite live King Crimson was when I saw the LTIA band, sans Jamie Muir, at the Chicago Kinetic Playground on 20 April, 1973
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The opening act was Peter Frampton. In an odd way, it worked.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 11 2014 at 02:10
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 11 2014 at 11:37
I really like what they did with remaster of USA. :) I've also got The Great Deceiver box, Absent Lovers. B'BOOM Official Bootleg. Also DVDs - deja VROOOM, Eyes Wide Open, Neal and Jack and Me.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 11 2014 at 16:21
Really, TGD and Nightwatch are equal first.
Closely followed by Ladies of the Road and Summit Studios. Not a popular edition of the band with many, but I dig them to the max.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 11 2014 at 16:24
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
The Night Watch
Epitaph
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I have 30 KC albums and I still need these two grrrr. |
Get 'em, you won't regret 'em!
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 11 2014 at 21:52
Barbu wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Barbu wrote:
Essential :
Epitaph vol. 1&2
Summit Studios '72
The Night Watch/The Great Deceiver
Absent Lovers
Déja Vrooom DVD
Eyes Wide Open DVD
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I would think that Epitaph vol 1 is enough. That's the only one I got, but I checked track lists and reviews before deciding to get only vol 1, and for what I remember the tracklists were very very similar, and the sound quality on vol 2 was suposed to be much worse. As for the Wetton era concerts, I don't know "The Night Watch", but I do have "The Great Deceiver", as well as "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", and I would give the edge to Collectible. Once again, the tracklist is very similar (though "Great Deceiver" has more CD's, so it repeasts tracks more times), and I like better most of the tracks on Collectible. |
Epitaph vol. 3&4 are for completists only. The Night Watch is a must even if you already have TGD Dellinger. |
So I must have gotten confused, and kind of forgotten how this CD's worked. I was thinking of it as 2 double albums, each one being Vol 1, and 2. However, the first double album is Volumes 1 & 2 and so on with the other one. As for the Night Watch, yeah I had kind of thought that was the one album I was still missing in order to have a nice (and sort of complete) collection of Wetton era live King Crimson.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 09:53
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The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 10:01
smartpatrol wrote:
From the ones I've heard, Bremen 1972. Great 30 minute jam and a fantastic version of Larks part 1 (and a decent version of Exiles). Absent Lovers comes close, too |
Bremen is excellent! I wished there could have been a method existing to clean it up more..giving it a bit more presence..but it still is the best recording . production wise..of the band performing with Jamie Muir. If I'm not mistaken, (and forgive me if I am), Steve Wilson released the concert on dvd audio and the concert should be released on cd. It should be released again at a reasonable price , cleaned up and for cd only. A very fascinating period of the band.
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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 12:30
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Most people love "The Great Deceiver" here, but "Epitaph" is really up there for me. Should get more credit
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 13:23
Xonty wrote:
Most people love "The Great Deceiver" here, but "Epitaph" is really up there for me. Should get more credit |
I really like Epitaph 1 and 2.....but that Wetton line up live was simply killer imho.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 22:53
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 13 2014 at 12:01
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album. |
In 74' Starless and Bible Black was released on LP and most people had no clue that 2 tracks in particular were from the Amsterdam (Nightwatch), show with the audience mixed out and a few overdubs. It was strange hearing the original live recording on Amsterdam. The best live version of "The Sailors Tale" can be found on "Plymouth live in 71" . It's very extended progressing through 3 or 4 patterns. They also perform "In the Court of the Crimson King" along with 2 songs from Lizard. It's an outstanding collectors club release. This took place in 71' prior to the band overthrowing Fripp with R&B influenced style. On the 72' concerts the band attempts to play I.T.C.O.T.C.K. in a blues style influenced by the old Muddy Waters chord progression on "Rolling Stone". I usually steer clear of the 72' concerts of the Islands band for this reason. Box Burrell experienced the British Blues Boom era ...being very talented within those areas..but it wasn't fitting to the style of King Crimson. Fripp was not interested in the Blues and didn't play it very well. If you want to stay in the progressive vain...then stick with the 71' live shows.
In the end, Boz, Wallace, and Collins teamed up with Alexis Corner.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 13 2014 at 22:35
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album. |
In 74' Starless and Bible Black was released on LP and most people had no clue that 2 tracks in particular were from the Amsterdam (Nightwatch), show with the audience mixed out and a few overdubs. It was strange hearing the original live recording on Amsterdam. The best live version of "The Sailors Tale" can be found on "Plymouth live in 71" . It's very extended progressing through 3 or 4 patterns. They also perform "In the Court of the Crimson King" along with 2 songs from Lizard. It's an outstanding collectors club release. This took place in 71' prior to the band overthrowing Fripp with R&B influenced style. On the 72' concerts the band attempts to play I.T.C.O.T.C.K. in a blues style influenced by the old Muddy Waters chord progression on "Rolling Stone". I usually steer clear of the 72' concerts of the Islands band for this reason. Box Burrell experienced the British Blues Boom era ...being very talented within those areas..but it wasn't fitting to the style of King Crimson. Fripp was not interested in the Blues and didn't play it very well. If you want to stay in the progressive vain...then stick with the 71' live shows.
In the end, Boz, Wallace, and Collins teamed up with Alexis Corner. |
Hey, since you seem to know so much about different King Crimson concerts, then perhaps you could help me a bit here. One of my favourite King Crimson songs is Starless, but unlike the majority of Crimson fans, I prefer it live. Perhaps because I heard it live first, and for me the main theme of the song has to be played with violin. However, the first version I heard is the one on "Collectible King Crimson 1", well, there are two versions there, but the one I liked was the one from Mainz 74. I like this one because the "improv" section of the second half is kind of better structured and more satisfying than other live versions, and the final climax is also better structured and more powerful than the other live versions I've heard (and for me also more powerful than the studio version). The only problem is that the sound quality is a tiny bit lower than other versions I've heard. Actually, if I only hear it and don't compare it with other versions I won't even notice it, but if I do compare it, specially the violin sounds clearer in the other versions. In the end, my question is if you know the version I'm talking about, and if you may know any other comparable version in quality of performance, but with better sound quality. Actually, that concert was overall very good, I also liked the version of Easy Money very much on that one, specially the drumming was very good.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 23:07
We need more love for Absent Lovers. I love that era of KC. Those three '80s studio albums are a shining example of great prog in a decade not known for it, by a band whose leader didn't feel like riding his own coattails.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 14:50
verslibre wrote:
We need more love for Absent Lovers. I love that era of KC. Those three '80s studio albums are a shining example of great prog in a decade not known for it, by a band whose leader didn't feel like riding his own coattails. |
I haven't got the 80's albums because I got a pair of live albums from the double trio, and they play what I believe are the more important songs from the 80's, and for what I've heard from another 80's live album, I like much better the versions of the double trio.
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 17:23
Posted By: Fredobobrick
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 01:01
After listening to both "The Great Deceiver" and "The Night Watch", I have to say that "The Night Watch" impressed me more. The turning point was "The Talking Drum" on the latter.I encourage all of you to listen or re-listen to it right now. It is impeccable. Just listen to it. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 11:41
Fredobobrick wrote:
After listening to both "The Great Deceiver" and "The Night Watch", I have to say that "The Night Watch" impressed me more. The turning point was "The Talking Drum" on the latter.
I encourage all of you to listen or re-listen to it right now. It is impeccable.
Just listen to it. |
Having the Great Deceiver box I never bothered to buy Night Watch but being a fan of KC it's time to get a copy.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 14:10
dr wu23 wrote:
Fredobobrick wrote:
After listening to both "The Great Deceiver" and "The Night Watch", I have to say that "The Night Watch" impressed me more. The turning point was "The Talking Drum" on the latter.
I encourage all of you to listen or re-listen to it right now. It is impeccable.
Just listen to it. |
Having the Great Deceiver box I never bothered to buy Night Watch but being a fan of KC it's time to get a copy.
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I still haven't heard "The Night Watch", but one thing that doesn't seem right to me about it is that it doesn't inlcude "Starless", and that's a key song of the live repertoire of that line-up. However, I do have it in other live albums, so I guess I could just as well give that album a try someday.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 12:14
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album. |
In 74' Starless and Bible Black was released on LP and most people had no clue that 2 tracks in particular were from the Amsterdam (Nightwatch), show with the audience mixed out and a few overdubs. It was strange hearing the original live recording on Amsterdam. The best live version of "The Sailors Tale" can be found on "Plymouth live in 71" . It's very extended progressing through 3 or 4 patterns. They also perform "In the Court of the Crimson King" along with 2 songs from Lizard. It's an outstanding collectors club release. This took place in 71' prior to the band overthrowing Fripp with R&B influenced style. On the 72' concerts the band attempts to play I.T.C.O.T.C.K. in a blues style influenced by the old Muddy Waters chord progression on "Rolling Stone". I usually steer clear of the 72' concerts of the Islands band for this reason. Box Burrell experienced the British Blues Boom era ...being very talented within those areas..but it wasn't fitting to the style of King Crimson. Fripp was not interested in the Blues and didn't play it very well. If you want to stay in the progressive vain...then stick with the 71' live shows.
In the end, Boz, Wallace, and Collins teamed up with Alexis Corner. |
Hey, since you seem to know so much about different King Crimson concerts, then perhaps you could help me a bit here. One of my favourite King Crimson songs is Starless, but unlike the majority of Crimson fans, I prefer it live. Perhaps because I heard it live first, and for me the main theme of the song has to be played with violin. However, the first version I heard is the one on "Collectible King Crimson 1", well, there are two versions there, but the one I liked was the one from Mainz 74. I like this one because the "improv" section of the second half is kind of better structured and more satisfying than other live versions, and the final climax is also better structured and more powerful than the other live versions I've heard (and for me also more powerful than the studio version). The only problem is that the sound quality is a tiny bit lower than other versions I've heard. Actually, if I only hear it and don't compare it with other versions I won't even notice it, but if I do compare it, specially the violin sounds clearer in the other versions. In the end, my question is if you know the version I'm talking about, and if you may know any other comparable version in quality of performance, but with better sound quality. Actually, that concert was overall very good, I also liked the version of Easy Money very much on that one, specially the drumming was very good. |
This is very difficult for me because I haven't heard other versions of Starless in many years. The band was performing this piece in 74' during road travel and I believe (of course) that it was pieced together as they traveled. I will dig through some boxes , play them ...and compare. Fripp was always 1 step ahead of the game. Some of the ideas written for Larks' Tongues and Aspic and Starless and Bible Black were recorded by the Islands band and are featured on the Steve Wilson Islands re-mix cd. In this case ...you are hearing the sax of Mel Collins instead of the violin of David Cross. It's interesting to hear the difference in approach. The pieces are just as worthy...yet contain a different approach stylistically to the Larks and Starless period. I've always wanted to hear the piece "RED" performed live in 74' prior to the band folding...apparently it wasn't written in time?
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 22:07
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album. |
In 74' Starless and Bible Black was released on LP and most people had no clue that 2 tracks in particular were from the Amsterdam (Nightwatch), show with the audience mixed out and a few overdubs. It was strange hearing the original live recording on Amsterdam. The best live version of "The Sailors Tale" can be found on "Plymouth live in 71" . It's very extended progressing through 3 or 4 patterns. They also perform "In the Court of the Crimson King" along with 2 songs from Lizard. It's an outstanding collectors club release. This took place in 71' prior to the band overthrowing Fripp with R&B influenced style. On the 72' concerts the band attempts to play I.T.C.O.T.C.K. in a blues style influenced by the old Muddy Waters chord progression on "Rolling Stone". I usually steer clear of the 72' concerts of the Islands band for this reason. Box Burrell experienced the British Blues Boom era ...being very talented within those areas..but it wasn't fitting to the style of King Crimson. Fripp was not interested in the Blues and didn't play it very well. If you want to stay in the progressive vain...then stick with the 71' live shows.
In the end, Boz, Wallace, and Collins teamed up with Alexis Corner. |
Hey, since you seem to know so much about different King Crimson concerts, then perhaps you could help me a bit here. One of my favourite King Crimson songs is Starless, but unlike the majority of Crimson fans, I prefer it live. Perhaps because I heard it live first, and for me the main theme of the song has to be played with violin. However, the first version I heard is the one on "Collectible King Crimson 1", well, there are two versions there, but the one I liked was the one from Mainz 74. I like this one because the "improv" section of the second half is kind of better structured and more satisfying than other live versions, and the final climax is also better structured and more powerful than the other live versions I've heard (and for me also more powerful than the studio version). The only problem is that the sound quality is a tiny bit lower than other versions I've heard. Actually, if I only hear it and don't compare it with other versions I won't even notice it, but if I do compare it, specially the violin sounds clearer in the other versions. In the end, my question is if you know the version I'm talking about, and if you may know any other comparable version in quality of performance, but with better sound quality. Actually, that concert was overall very good, I also liked the version of Easy Money very much on that one, specially the drumming was very good. |
This is very difficult for me because I haven't heard other versions of Starless in many years. The band was performing this piece in 74' during road travel and I believe (of course) that it was pieced together as they traveled. I will dig through some boxes , play them ...and compare. Fripp was always 1 step ahead of the game. Some of the ideas written for Larks' Tongues and Aspic and Starless and Bible Black were recorded by the Islands band and are featured on the Steve Wilson Islands re-mix cd. In this case ...you are hearing the sax of Mel Collins instead of the violin of David Cross. It's interesting to hear the difference in approach. The pieces are just as worthy...yet contain a different approach stylistically to the Larks and Starless period. I've always wanted to hear the piece "RED" performed live in 74' prior to the band folding...apparently it wasn't written in time? |
I believe about Mel Collins on sax you mean the studio version, not some lost version from the islands days... in that case, as far as I remember, the intro part was originally played by Cross on violin, and when they recorded it on studio, that part was played on guitar by Fripp, the sax is playing something else. At the end the main theme is repeated in a "grand finale" stile, on the live version it's played by Fripp on electric guitar (and in many cases it's rather weak, but the particular version that I like has it very strong and cool), on the other hand, that final part is played on sax in the studio version (I'm not sure if it's by Mell Collins or Ian McDonald), and for me it's rather weaker than the electric guitar from the version I like best.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 12:29
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album. |
In 74' Starless and Bible Black was released on LP and most people had no clue that 2 tracks in particular were from the Amsterdam (Nightwatch), show with the audience mixed out and a few overdubs. It was strange hearing the original live recording on Amsterdam. The best live version of "The Sailors Tale" can be found on "Plymouth live in 71" . It's very extended progressing through 3 or 4 patterns. They also perform "In the Court of the Crimson King" along with 2 songs from Lizard. It's an outstanding collectors club release. This took place in 71' prior to the band overthrowing Fripp with R&B influenced style. On the 72' concerts the band attempts to play I.T.C.O.T.C.K. in a blues style influenced by the old Muddy Waters chord progression on "Rolling Stone". I usually steer clear of the 72' concerts of the Islands band for this reason. Box Burrell experienced the British Blues Boom era ...being very talented within those areas..but it wasn't fitting to the style of King Crimson. Fripp was not interested in the Blues and didn't play it very well. If you want to stay in the progressive vain...then stick with the 71' live shows.
In the end, Boz, Wallace, and Collins teamed up with Alexis Corner. |
Hey, since you seem to know so much about different King Crimson concerts, then perhaps you could help me a bit here. One of my favourite King Crimson songs is Starless, but unlike the majority of Crimson fans, I prefer it live. Perhaps because I heard it live first, and for me the main theme of the song has to be played with violin. However, the first version I heard is the one on "Collectible King Crimson 1", well, there are two versions there, but the one I liked was the one from Mainz 74. I like this one because the "improv" section of the second half is kind of better structured and more satisfying than other live versions, and the final climax is also better structured and more powerful than the other live versions I've heard (and for me also more powerful than the studio version). The only problem is that the sound quality is a tiny bit lower than other versions I've heard. Actually, if I only hear it and don't compare it with other versions I won't even notice it, but if I do compare it, specially the violin sounds clearer in the other versions. In the end, my question is if you know the version I'm talking about, and if you may know any other comparable version in quality of performance, but with better sound quality. Actually, that concert was overall very good, I also liked the version of Easy Money very much on that one, specially the drumming was very good. |
This is very difficult for me because I haven't heard other versions of Starless in many years. The band was performing this piece in 74' during road travel and I believe (of course) that it was pieced together as they traveled. I will dig through some boxes , play them ...and compare. Fripp was always 1 step ahead of the game. Some of the ideas written for Larks' Tongues and Aspic and Starless and Bible Black were recorded by the Islands band and are featured on the Steve Wilson Islands re-mix cd. In this case ...you are hearing the sax of Mel Collins instead of the violin of David Cross. It's interesting to hear the difference in approach. The pieces are just as worthy...yet contain a different approach stylistically to the Larks and Starless period. I've always wanted to hear the piece "RED" performed live in 74' prior to the band folding...apparently it wasn't written in time? |
I believe about Mel Collins on sax you mean the studio version, not some lost version from the islands days... in that case, as far as I remember, the intro part was originally played by Cross on violin, and when they recorded it on studio, that part was played on guitar by Fripp, the sax is playing something else. At the end the main theme is repeated in a "grand finale" stile, on the live version it's played by Fripp on electric guitar (and in many cases it's rather weak, but the particular version that I like has it very strong and cool), on the other hand, that final part is played on sax in the studio version (I'm not sure if it's by Mell Collins or Ian McDonald), and for me it's rather weaker than the electric guitar from the version I like best. |
It's the lost version from the Islands days. It has nothing to do with "Starless". It's available on the Steve Wilson re-mix of Islands. I don't have it handy and I forget it's title. The instrumental is built upon the developing structure of Larks Tongues In Aspic and Lament.
If you've ever noticed, the songs/pieces on In The Wake Of Poseidon were written and performed on the tour for the In the Court of the Crimson King album. The following year...they turned up on Poseidon. With Lizard..there was a gap and since the band never toured , (shame), Fripp began work on Islands during rehearsals instead of traveling the road. Towards the end of the Boz, Wallace, Collins, and Fripp lineup, the band rehearsed/recorded music which in the following year...had been re-arranged with Muir, Bruford, Wetton and Cross and was recorded for the Larks album. In 73'...the band performed pieces that were to be released the following year on the Starless and Bible Black album. That pattern of writing and rehearsing for the next album while traveling the road..was most notable with Ian Anderson..however..it was a common practice then and still is today. 'Starless" apparently had been written during road travel and later recorded for RED...just like all the other times..the band was on a mission.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 22:16
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph.
U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band. |
The Ausbury Park concert was officially released without overdubs on "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", which I have, and I actually don't intend on getting the USA concert. But by what you say, it seems I do have to get the Night Watch album. |
In 74' Starless and Bible Black was released on LP and most people had no clue that 2 tracks in particular were from the Amsterdam (Nightwatch), show with the audience mixed out and a few overdubs. It was strange hearing the original live recording on Amsterdam. The best live version of "The Sailors Tale" can be found on "Plymouth live in 71" . It's very extended progressing through 3 or 4 patterns. They also perform "In the Court of the Crimson King" along with 2 songs from Lizard. It's an outstanding collectors club release. This took place in 71' prior to the band overthrowing Fripp with R&B influenced style. On the 72' concerts the band attempts to play I.T.C.O.T.C.K. in a blues style influenced by the old Muddy Waters chord progression on "Rolling Stone". I usually steer clear of the 72' concerts of the Islands band for this reason. Box Burrell experienced the British Blues Boom era ...being very talented within those areas..but it wasn't fitting to the style of King Crimson. Fripp was not interested in the Blues and didn't play it very well. If you want to stay in the progressive vain...then stick with the 71' live shows.
In the end, Boz, Wallace, and Collins teamed up with Alexis Corner. |
Hey, since you seem to know so much about different King Crimson concerts, then perhaps you could help me a bit here. One of my favourite King Crimson songs is Starless, but unlike the majority of Crimson fans, I prefer it live. Perhaps because I heard it live first, and for me the main theme of the song has to be played with violin. However, the first version I heard is the one on "Collectible King Crimson 1", well, there are two versions there, but the one I liked was the one from Mainz 74. I like this one because the "improv" section of the second half is kind of better structured and more satisfying than other live versions, and the final climax is also better structured and more powerful than the other live versions I've heard (and for me also more powerful than the studio version). The only problem is that the sound quality is a tiny bit lower than other versions I've heard. Actually, if I only hear it and don't compare it with other versions I won't even notice it, but if I do compare it, specially the violin sounds clearer in the other versions. In the end, my question is if you know the version I'm talking about, and if you may know any other comparable version in quality of performance, but with better sound quality. Actually, that concert was overall very good, I also liked the version of Easy Money very much on that one, specially the drumming was very good. |
This is very difficult for me because I haven't heard other versions of Starless in many years. The band was performing this piece in 74' during road travel and I believe (of course) that it was pieced together as they traveled. I will dig through some boxes , play them ...and compare. Fripp was always 1 step ahead of the game. Some of the ideas written for Larks' Tongues and Aspic and Starless and Bible Black were recorded by the Islands band and are featured on the Steve Wilson Islands re-mix cd. In this case ...you are hearing the sax of Mel Collins instead of the violin of David Cross. It's interesting to hear the difference in approach. The pieces are just as worthy...yet contain a different approach stylistically to the Larks and Starless period. I've always wanted to hear the piece "RED" performed live in 74' prior to the band folding...apparently it wasn't written in time? |
I believe about Mel Collins on sax you mean the studio version, not some lost version from the islands days... in that case, as far as I remember, the intro part was originally played by Cross on violin, and when they recorded it on studio, that part was played on guitar by Fripp, the sax is playing something else. At the end the main theme is repeated in a "grand finale" stile, on the live version it's played by Fripp on electric guitar (and in many cases it's rather weak, but the particular version that I like has it very strong and cool), on the other hand, that final part is played on sax in the studio version (I'm not sure if it's by Mell Collins or Ian McDonald), and for me it's rather weaker than the electric guitar from the version I like best. |
It's the lost version from the Islands days. It has nothing to do with "Starless". It's available on the Steve Wilson re-mix of Islands. I don't have it handy and I forget it's title. The instrumental is built upon the developing structure of Larks Tongues In Aspic and Lament.
If you've ever noticed, the songs/pieces on In The Wake Of Poseidon were written and performed on the tour for the In the Court of the Crimson King album. The following year...they turned up on Poseidon. With Lizard..there was a gap and since the band never toured , (shame), Fripp began work on Islands during rehearsals instead of traveling the road. Towards the end of the Boz, Wallace, Collins, and Fripp lineup, the band rehearsed/recorded music which in the following year...had been re-arranged with Muir, Bruford, Wetton and Cross and was recorded for the Larks album. In 73'...the band performed pieces that were to be released the following year on the Starless and Bible Black album. That pattern of writing and rehearsing for the next album while traveling the road..was most notable with Ian Anderson..however..it was a common practice then and still is today. 'Starless" apparently had been written during road travel and later recorded for RED...just like all the other times..the band was on a mission. |
OK then. Yeah, I guess that was a cool way to make up new music. And yeah, I knew about some of the songs of Poseidon having been played live by the original line-up... however, the one song I'd love to find played by that line-up (and in good quality) would be the title song, but somehow I believe that doesn't exist.
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Posted By: Vincent Carr's SUMIC
Date Posted: March 25 2014 at 05:34
'The Great Deceiver' if you had to limit me to one collection. Don't be put off by the 'repeats' - they're all different, which is kinda the point! 
If it's down to budget then 'The Night Watch' is also indispensable IMHO.
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Posted By: Cookie13
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 16:18
Audio only;
B'Boom; Live In Argentina
DVD;
Deja Vroom
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"Clipside of the pinkeye flight
I'm not the percent you think survives
I need sanctuary in the pages of this book."
Son Et Lumiere - The Mars Volta
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Posted By: fxdregs
Date Posted: March 14 2016 at 18:33
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Deja Vrooom DVD followed by the Japan concert in the 80s Three of a Perfect Pair found later on the Neil Jack and Me DVD.
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: March 17 2016 at 11:37
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Ladies of the Road and Summit Studios.....love that incarnation of the band - and those two sets feature them at their most refined. However, those '74 shows can't be beat - USA (despite the minor glitches), TGD and the Nightwatch are all outstanding from start to finish......the energy and power of that band blow my head off even all these years later. Yeah, Absent Lovers deserves favor, and Epitaph, Vol 1, is a lot of fun, but nothing reaches the highs that are found on the aforementioned albums.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted By: GreatBeyonder
Date Posted: March 18 2016 at 02:09
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Absent Lovers. It's also usually the first KC material I give people.
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Posted By: Operations666
Date Posted: March 20 2016 at 16:47
Epitaph
Absent Lovers
Great Deceiver
Ladies of the Road
Heavy ConstruKction
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: March 20 2016 at 17:32
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Only have live albums from the '69-'74 band and the 4 touring lineups were each so different that picking a single live album just isn't enough
1) Fripp/Lake/McDonald/Giles/Sinfield - Epitaph 2) Fripp/Boz/Wallace/Collins/Sinfield - Live at Detroit (KC Collectors Club) 3) Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross/Muir - The Beat Club (KC Collectors Club) 4) Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross - The Great Deceiver (Love USA but TGD gives such a better overview)
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https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987
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