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Topic: Coheed an Cambria
Posted By: Deadwing12
Subject: Coheed an Cambria
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 11:07
They have been added to the archives. All rejoice! (I wonder who could have recommended them in the first place..............)

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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 11:08
From what I've heard by them that's a pretty sensible move. I hope they stay. 


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 11:19

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

THEY SUCK!!!!!!! We shoulda added Muse instead!



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 11:45
They might suck, but they're certainly progressive.

Edit: They've gone now anyway.


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 11:48

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

They might suck, but they're certainly progressive.

If they should be here, then bring on MUSE!



Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:02
Who deleted Co&Ca, and why?  I wanted to review them...  

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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:13
In fact, I was listenin' to a Co&Ca live EP, and during an extended instrumental improv, Claudio said "This is what the British would call prog-rock w**kery!" to cheers. 

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Posted By: AtomHeartMother
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:51
I don't know what happend but I don't think they are here anymore, I can't find them on here.

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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:17
They took it off the forum! My reason for their inclusion, apparently, wasn't good enough  All my hard work, for ZILCH!

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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:35

Originally posted by Deadwing12 Deadwing12 wrote:

They took it off the forum! My reason for their inclusion, apparently, wasn't good enough  All my hard work, for ZILCH!

You could have asked first.



Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:37
Joren:  I don't know why he should've asked.  Bands like Neutral Milk Hotel that are DEFINITELY not prog are still around, but I assumed from previous threads on them that Co&Ca are considered prog, but some people don't like their aesthetic.

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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:19

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Joren:  I don't know why he should've asked.  Bands like Neutral Milk Hotel that are DEFINITELY not prog are still around, but I assumed from previous threads on them that Co&Ca are considered prog, but some people don't like their aesthetic.

I didn't say he should have asked, I said he could have, because he's complaining about how much work it was... for nothing. I think most people knew that Coheed and Cambria were controversial (they have been discussed before, many people AGAINST adding). So if you ask first, you save yourself the trouble when they are not acceoted, that's all.

(By the way: Max said Neutral Milk Hotel will be deleted soon)



Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:31
Ah, I understand what you meant now. 

I still believe they're prog...  interesting time changes, complex intervals, a concept that spans multiple albums, innovative playing, crazy structures...  what's not to love?


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:32

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Ah, I understand what you meant now. 

I still believe they're prog...  interesting time changes, complex intervals, a concept that spans multiple albums, innovative playing, crazy structures...  what's not to love?

FLASHING NEWS: They sound Bad



Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:36
NEWS FLASH:  Taste is subjective.  Claudio's vocals are amazing, and the music is full of depth.

Someone could as easily say Frank Zappa sounds bad, but does that make him not prog?


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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:48

I'm totally with you on this one, Man Overboard.  I recently listened to both their albums again and the more you disect them, the more prog they are.  I'm sure the new album will help push them over the edge into the full-on world of prog. 

also, coheed being prog or not should be based on the music they play and not whether you like them or not.  disliking them is no reason to exclude them.



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Posted By: BigHairyMonster
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:38
That is the thing that I do not like about this particular website...a moderator can come in and delete stuff they don't consider prog, regardless of what another member might think.  I have not tried looking specifically for Coheed & Cambria here, but if their presence was deleted due to the "personal taste of someone in charge" that is a shame, and does a disservice to the members (customers) of this site that may want info.  You may dislike the band, but don't deny others the pleasure of reading about them. 

And yes, I have a C & C disk.  I have heard bad reviews on several prog sites, so I knew I had to check them out for myself.  Is it prog?  About as much as Porcupine Tree is, perhaps moreso.  It will continue to sit proudly on my shelf between my Clearlight and Colosseum discs.

My current top 3:





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Posted By: Chris88
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:49
Im not usually like this but,I hate them I think they are the biggest pieces of S%#$ to walk this planet Their singer sucks and their musicians suck they are not prog, in my opinion theyre not music. They are the equivilent of any other punkband on this earth and do not stand out at all from any other power chord bands  Im sorry flame me all you want but this is just my opinion


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:51
Originally posted by Chris88 Chris88 wrote:

Im not usually like this but,I hate them I think they are the biggest pieces of S%#$ to walk this planet Their singer sucks and their musicians suck they are not prog, in my opinion theyre not music. They are the equivilent of any other punkband on this earth and do not stand out at all from any other power chord bands  Im sorry flame me all you want but this is just my opinion


I guess you've never had the pleasure of hearing their many 8+ minute songs, with extended solos, and much wonderful music theory applied far beyond powerchords?

Ignorance is only bliss for the ignorant, it's an annoyance for the rest.


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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:52

muse are about as prog as cottage cheese fermented under a bosch 1962 model radiator.



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Posted By: Chris88
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:55
I know what i said was ignorant but i would be willing to give them another try. From what i have heard (2-3 song) I didnt like it at all, infact it gave me a strange feeling in my stomach like i was going to vomit.


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:05

The singer sucks , even though the solos are kinda good.



Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:28
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

The singer sucks , even though the solos are kinda good.


I actually like the singer a lot... he reminds me of Geddy Lee.


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:20

Aren't Coheed an Cambria Emo?



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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:21
Yeah I thought that...I always see them on emo kids' myspace and stuff...

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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:23
mmm They are. Emo is not good.

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:23
Hmm...who is that dashing young man in the picture with you?

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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:25
How do you know I am the girl?

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:26
I don't

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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:26
Oh good. Well I am and I don't like emo

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:27
Coheed and Cambria are not emo!    It's merely the vocalist that gives that impression, if Rush debuted today, they'd be given the emo tag as well!

Look, let's end this silliness RIGHT NOW.  Look at these lyrics.  These are PROG lyrics, in the vein of prog geekery!

A broad incision sits across the evening
The victim to our fathers lost war
The restless children sit and mourn the graves
Of those they've never seen before
Will they be buried here among the dead?
In the silent secret

[Chorus:]
The pioneers
In dealing with it they march for dawn, of Will and worthy
The truth be told the child was born
Man your own jackhammer
Man your battle stations
We'll have you dead pretty soon
And now
Sincerely written from my brother's blood machine
Man your battle stations
We'll have you home pretty soon
And now

Awake through motion with curiosity to curtain your first move
Over arms length they'll break protocol
Jealous envy for the youngest one
To be the hero is all I'll ask
Can I be buried here among the dead?
With room to honor me here in the end
You'll be better off too soon
You'll be better off when you get home

[Chorus]

For you,
I'd do anything just to make you happy, hear you tell me that you’re proud of me
For them,
I'll kill anything cut the throats of babies for them break their hearts for they were them
Waiting for you to say: I love you too

The navigator
The pilot
Her favorite
The one they call the vision that bears the gift
[x2]

Will,
Do the children really understand the things you did to them?
And why oh why…
Should they conjure up the will for you my love I would kill him
we're coming home pretty soon
Coming home

In the seventh turning hour
Will the victims shadow fall?
Should the irony grow hungry?
With the victory and all they sought for
We were one among the fence
One among the fence

[Guitar riffs and vocalizing]

We're coming home

Man your own jackhammer
Man your battle stations
We'll have you dead pretty soon
And now
Sincerely written from my brother's blood machine
Man your battle stations
We'll have you home pretty soon
tonight



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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:29

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

For you,
I'd do anything just to make you happy, hear you tell me that you’re proud of me
For them,
I'll kill anything cut the throats of babies for them break their hearts for they were them
Waiting for you to say: I love you too

Hmmm. I'm not arguing or trolling or anything, but that sounds emo to me. I won't judge though; what is that song called? Tell me and I'll give it a listen.



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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:30

Then why is it their name appears on more than one emo myspace profile? Infact most of them have Coheed an Cambria listed alongside Greenday and My Chemical Romance.

"I'll kill anything cut the throats of babies for them break their hearts for they were them
Waiting for you to say: I love you too
"


I'm afraid this is a typical emo line.



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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:30
You got there before me

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:31
It's called "In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth".

The lyric you quoted is the vocalization of the one of the many characters in the concept, who's got a bit of a screw loose.  That line is sung a bit psychotically.

...since when, however, does mentioning the word "love" suddenly make something not prog? 

Why not look at the rest of the lyrics, very sci-fi, very story-oriented?  It's not like he said "Oh god, I'm waiting by the phone, cutting my wrists while listening to Dashboard FOR YOU MY LOVE" or anything.


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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:31
heh.

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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:32
It is the way love is put into the lyric. The emo line

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:33
Hehe cheers Man Overboard, I'll try and find it on a perfectly legal download program.

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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:33

Who the f**k cares? Is listening to one "Questionably Prog" makes you less Prog?

MOVE ON!



Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:34
Hm... I guess VdGG is emo too?

Looking out through the tears that blind me
my heart bleeds that you may find me
or at least that I can
forget and be numb,
but I can't stop, the words still come:
I love you.

I dont know when emotion in music got all confused with the meaningless fad known as 'emo'

What honest music isnt emotional? Do people now live life devoid of emotion because they're scared to be considered emo?



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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:35
No but you wouldn't be caught dead listening to Slipknot would ya... Same thing

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:36
Thank you, Publius, for going and giving it a shot.

For f**k's sake, I don't know what everyone's problem is.  IKKSE:3 is a concept album, some of the characters have emotional attachments, but that's not the f**king focus of the story!  Are we forgetting Greg Lake's countless love ballads, Pain Of Salvation's REMEDY LANE!?  It doesn't get more emo than f**king Undertow, but no one calls them emo.

I swear, if the next amazing prog band debuted and were accepted by the emo culture, most of you wouldn't touch it with a stick no matter HOW good it is.  I thought progheads were supposed to be more openminded about music!?

Some of you really, really amaze me. 


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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:36
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Who the f**k cares? Is listening to one "Questionably Prog" makes you less Prog?

MOVE ON!

Hey calm down man, I had a preconception of them and now I am checking it out.



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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:37
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

No but you wouldn't be caught dead listening to Slipknot would ya... Same thing


OH MY f**kING GOD.

Slipknot sucks because the MUSIC is god-awful, the lyrics being sh*t is just icing in a cake of awfulness. 

Coheed & Cambria are prog because the MUSIC is prog, and the LYRICS, being sci-fi, conceptual, story-oriented only further cement that.

I guess the hidden track "2113", a tribute to Rush, means nothing too, because one of the CHARACTERS, in the LARGE CONCEPT, is a bit nutter?!


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:39

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Thank you, Publius, for going and giving it a shot.

For f**k's sake, I don't know what everyone's problem is.  IKKSE:3 is a concept album, some of the characters have emotional attachments, but that's not the f**king focus of the story!  Are we forgetting Greg Lake's countless love ballads, Pain Of Salvation's REMEDY LANE!?  It doesn't get more emo than f**king Undertow, but no one calls them emo.

I swear, if the next amazing prog band debuted and were accepted by the emo culture, most of you wouldn't touch it with a stick no matter HOW good it is.  I thought progheads were supposed to be more openminded about music!?

Some of you really, really amaze me. 

The only reason why PoS is categorized Emo because the band looks f**kin' metal



Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:40
nah nah:) if a prog band became emo I would just kill all the emo things:) Thats the best way to do it:)

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:41
Versus


Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:42
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

nah nah:) if a prog band became emo I would just kill all the emo things:) Thats the best way to do it:)




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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:42

Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

nah nah:) if a prog band became emo I would just kill all the emo things:) Thats the best way to do it:)

Lol babe, you'd kill em all anyway  



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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:43
King Of Loss, could you edit out that duplicate picture? it clutters the thread lol.

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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:43
Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

nah nah:) if a prog band became emo I would just kill all the emo things:) Thats the best way to do it:)

Lol babe, you'd kill em all anyway  



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:44

Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

King Of Loss, could you edit out that duplicate picture? it clutters the thread lol.

I just did, babe!



Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:44
For future reference, Czesgo here happens to be my girlfriend, so all play nice

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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:44
yeah yeah.. Kill em all anyway :) Have listened to this song just downloaded it, I can quite happily say it's making me deaf. I do not like it and it sounds emo to me, maybe not the music, but the guys voice... noooo bad and wrong. Guy needs to not be american I need to kill emos:)

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:46
Yeah, Thats publius in that picture next to Moi. We are against emo!

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:46
Czesgo:  I guess you're opposed to Rush as well then?

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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:47
no no no I like Rush, I have liked Rush for years. However Rush do not have a whiny sounding vocalist. And are not on the top ten bands of every emo kid.

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:48
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

no no no I like Rush, I have liked Rush for years. However Rush do not have a whiny sounding vocalist. And are not on the top ten bands of every emo kid.

You have to be kidding . Please refrain from argueing about things you know nothing about.


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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:48
If the vocals on http://www.coheedandcambria.com/media/coheed_and_cambria-a_favor_house_atlantic.mp3 - this song didn't sound exactly like Geddy Lee, you might've had a point. 

In any case, if prog were about how appealing the vocals are, we'd have about 2 bands in the whole archive.


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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:50

And rush did not appear only when emo became famous. Get an emo kid ask them who they prefer.

 

Con safo: What makes you think I know nothing about Rush?



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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:51
One song. One whole song, is that all you can give me. One song.

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:52
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

And rush did not appear only when emo became famous. Get an emo kid ask them who they prefer.

 

Con safo: What makes you think I know nothing about Rush?


I'm not a huge fan of C + C, but the similarities between Geddy's voice and this guys voice is pretty hard to miss..

sorry if i came off a little heavy.


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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:52

Ah, the song surprises me, not as emo as I'd imagined. The music reminds me of mildly progressive metal bands (Metallica Dream Theater etc). But the vocals aren't my thing. For me few people can pull off the whiney voice. Geddy Lee, Cedric Bixler are the only ones I can think of.

But yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised. Cheers Man Overboard.



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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8


Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:52
Only in one song, so Far I have only got them to give me one Geddy sounding song. That is not good enough.

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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:53
Furthermore, since when was prog about what certain groups preferred?  Potheads love Pink Floyd, are they now stoner rock?  Punks love some Peter Hammill on occasion, is PH/VdGG now punk?  If people'd get over "scenes", they'd enjoy life a hell of a lot more.  I suppose next you'll wanna remove Kansas from the archives because AOR people like a few of their songs. 

Futher-f**king-more, most emo kids couldn't tell you sh*t about Co&Ca aside from the two singles.  I know, I've tried to have discussions with several about it.  It's only the proggers who really delve into the whole album and understand the concept.

Why don't you get the album?  As a concept work, it should only be judged as such.  Or would you be content letting someone tell you what they think of Pink Floyd based off of any random track on The Wall?


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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:54
OK...but to change the subject slightly, who thought it was a good idea to keep them in the archives?

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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:54
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

Only in one song, so Far I have only got them to give me one Geddy sounding song. That is not good enough.

Im just confused as to how you can like Rush but quickly dismiss C and C as emo. Sounds to me like you dont know what you're talkinga bout. as i said im not a huge fan of C and C but i wouldnt call them emo.


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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:56
In case you missed it Man Overboard (this thread is moving quickly):

Ah, the song surprises me, not as emo as I'd imagined. The music reminds me of mildly progressive metal bands (Metallica Dream Theater etc). But the vocals aren't my thing. For me few people can pull off the whiney voice. Geddy Lee, Cedric Bixler are the only ones I can think of.

But yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised. Cheers Man Overboard.

Anyway I'm off to bed now. Night all.



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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:57

I know alot of Rush and like what they do. Myabe it's just me maybe I don't like C&C cause they sound emo to ME. I like Rush I have been listening to them my entire life. if it was the other way round I would probably hate them. I dunno but I know what I am on about.



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Signatures eh... Nah I'll pass on one of those.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:00
Publius:  Glad you were surprised.  My comments are more directed towards the general population that would likely not give Simon & Garfunkel a chance if they learned that the indie crowd loves 'em.

I'm just sick of attitudes like that, that look at the surface of things and are too closed-minded to look within.  I don't think it would be possible for someone to give me a good reason why Coheed and Cambria are musically similar to, say, Dashboard Confessional, because those similarities don't exist.  But as long as we're playing that game, there actually IS good emo out there, with progressive tendencies.  Bright Eyes, Cursive, At The Drive-In, the list goes on.

But people seem to have this idea that the only way a band that's acceptable to listen to is one that's claimed by their genre of choice and ONLY their genre of choice.  Hence, so many people sh*tting themselves stupid over what bands are in or not in the archives.


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Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:00


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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:03
Your opinion. I am open to a hell of alot of music. but Emo. I took one look at it and decided I didn't like it. for what it stands for, for crap music, for scarves in the summer, for stupid hair and for depressed f**ks and decided that I was keeping myself away from everything and anything emo

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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:05
Therefore I am leaving this board. I am not saying anymore. I don't want to know what you think of me. I know I don't like them. you cannot change my mind. And goodbye.

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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:07
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

Therefore I am leaving this board. I am not saying anymore. I don't want to know what you think of me. I know I don't like them. you cannot change my mind. And goodbye.




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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:07
  Sadly, this isn't the first person I've scared away from the forum.

But if she's still reading:  ...your boyfriend's hair is emo.


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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:08

HEY! HER BOYFRIEND IS ME!



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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:09
  Just teasin', mate.

This thread is truly ironic.  On emo boards, a lot of people refuse to discuss Coheed and Cambria because "they're f**king progressive rock". 


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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:10
Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

HEY! HER BOYFRIEND IS ME!







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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:10
haha! thats one up for us I guess. (by the way, remember the how prog is my hair/beard thread? I'm the ginger one, Czesgo's pic is a bit old )

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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:14
My boyfriends hair is not emo. If my boyfriends hair was emo it would be black/blonde in a stupid haircut. Take a look at it. not emo

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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:14
btw...  from an interview with Co&Ca's bassist:

DRE: Coheed & Cambria doesn’t seem to have a problem with being called progressive.

MT: That’s what I think we are. I know people tend to shy away from that term but that’s the best way to describe it. I find nothing wrong with it.

I mean fer f**k's sake, even the BAND calls themselves progressive, not emo.    What more do you people neeeeed?


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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:15
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

My boyfriends hair is not emo. If my boyfriends hair was emo it would be black/blonde in a stupid haircut. Take a look at it. not emo

Back so soon?


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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:16
Czesgo, you're awfully defensive...  and also seemingly very sure of what emo is or isn't.  



I should also mention it's pretty emo to have a MySpace.


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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:17

I know what I am onabout, I was on the myspace cause I wanted to yell at emo kids. most block me. If publius' hair is emo. then f**k whats the emos hair called?



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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:18

I think I should mention that I think you are up yourself.



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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:18
Hon, do you know *anything* about emo other than the stereotypes?  Fer god's sake, you probably don't like it when people get all on about prog and all they've got to offer is misconceptions, so why must you perpetuate that sort of behavior?

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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:20
Why would I want to know anything about emo. it f**king sucks. Moaning about the boring things in life and being all straight edge. no not fun. I don't care. Oh and I am not your 'hon'

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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:22
For one, the straight-edge thing is more prevalent in hardcore scene.

For another, I don't think the sci-fi story presented by Coheed and Cambria has anything to do with "moaning about the boring things in life".

You admit it, you know nothing about emo.  You aren't qualified to judge a band as such, and to be quite frank with you, it doesn't speak well for you to continue defending a point that's been proven invalid.  Coheed and Cambria may be accepted by the emo scene, but when compared to their actual music, lyrics, virtuousity, and other IMPORTANT factors, their chance of being emo is null and void.




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Posted By: Czesgo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:25
They sound emo to me. I will judge what the hell I want to judge. They sound emo to me therefore I will not listen to them. And hell what if I do know nothing about emo. I can still say it sucks because I have heard enough to know I do not like it.

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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:27
You don't like it:  That's a point that can be proven, and that's fine.  I don't like Magellan's new album, but you don't see me trying to tell everyone it's not prog.

They are emo:  That is a point that's been proven false, and you appear to be a closed-minded buffoon by continuing to state it.  Continuing to do so will make you appear more and more unknowledgeable regarding music.

Publius, my apologizes.


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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:34
Originally posted by Czesgo Czesgo wrote:

They sound emo to me. I will judge what the hell I want to judge. They sound emo to me therefore I will not listen to them. And hell what if I do know nothing about emo. I can still say it sucks because I have heard enough to know I do not like it.

You're probably the most closed-minded and ignorant person I've ever seen on this board. Please, get over your high school clique mentality and come back when you're ready to accept that not everything can easily be categorized into general stereotypes.

Furthermore, you've contradicted yourself so many times that it makes my head hurt. You keep claiming Coheed is emo (which they're not), then say you know nothing about emo (but still hate it for some reason). How can you categorize a band in a genre you admittedly can't even recognize? I'd like to see you make a list of emo bands just to prove to everyone that you don't know what you're talking about.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:35
Eh, don't bother.  She'll hop onto MySpace and grab a random top ten list that will no doubt include Coheed, where she's admitted she got the idea they were emo in the first place.

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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:15
Getting off topic about what is emo and MySpaces and such... I have re-registered C&C to the site by ways of revamping my "reasons they should be included" section. I'll keep my fingers crossed .

P.S. Sorry to all those who don't like the band I'm really not much into the "emo" scene myself, but the simple fact that I listen to these guys constantly told me something. Love them or hate them, I do insist that they are progressive rock, and even friends and family members of myself who aren't particular to them consider them "prog" over "emo"


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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:18
Deadwing, can you link me to their profile?  I'll write a review. 

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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:20
wow!
I leave the site for a week and both Primus and Co&Ca are added!
wtf man?
Maybe i should leave more often, nice to see the site opening up some more.


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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:21
They deleted the profile, I can't get to it anymore, sorry  but thanks for the consideration!

P.S. Is that Roine Stolt in your avatar? Love the guy!


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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:22
Well, we're working on Co&Ca, my first "reason for inclusion" was not up to snuff, so a basically sent a persuasive essay to the administrators, lets hope the second time's a charm! 

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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:22
Deleted AGAIN, so quickly!?    I might have to have a talk with the admin and find out why exactly he doesn't consider it worthy.

Yes, it's Roine Stolt...  with a bit of a devilish slant.


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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:45
Just leave Coheed and Cambria dead, they got deleted for a reason.

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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:54
And what reason is that, Damen?

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