Bands Truest To The Genre?
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Topic: Bands Truest To The Genre?
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Bands Truest To The Genre?
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 13:58
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Hey, I was thinking the other day about bands that really keep to the genre of progressive rock, always experimenting and trying completely new ideas. The only real band that came to mind was King Crimson (and possibly Frank Zappa), they seem to be in a completely different league (to bands like Yes, Genesis, etc.) when it comes to this. I've struggled to think of any others, so can anyone say what bands they can think of. Also, as stated in the question, what is the band/artist that keeps true to the prog rock genre in your opinion? As I've already said, mine is King Crimson. Looking forward to any feedback!
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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 14:15
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Cool idea! People could also come up with bands that stayed truest to their prog subgenres. Magma would be a shoe-in for that.  I'd like to nominate The Mars Volta as being true to prog as a whole throughout their albums.  ------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 14:16
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Does experimenting in popular music or other more mainstream styles count as trying something new? ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:16
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Zeuhl - Magma
RIO - Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Thinking Plague Canterbury - Caravan, Hatfield & The North Electronic - Tangerine Dream (Phaedra era) Fusion - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return To Forever Krautrock - CAN, Amon Duul II Prog Folk - Jethro Tull RPI - PFM, Banco ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:22
| ^ Nogbad's list is 'bang-on' (although I'm not familiar with 'Thinking Plague'...) |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:30
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I love the expression 'bang on', very English. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:37
^ There's more of a WOW! factor to 'bang-on', as opposed to 'spot on' 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:54
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Xonty wrote:Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 18:16
If we are going for truly carrying the spirit of progressive rock then I would say certainly not. But it's not my topic of course. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 19:15
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Peter Hammill ------------- |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 03:01
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Mike Oldfield has an extremely varied body of work that cuts across different sub genres. Once he perfects one style he moves on and does something different. Vangelis is also worth a mention. Beauborg , Earth ,Heaven and Hell , Hypothesis , L'Apocalypse Des Animaux and The Dragon are all completely different. Over the years he has settled down and pushed out more albums that conform to a style of music that he is famous for admittedly but you still get the odd surprise like Mythodea.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 04:55
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Show me a band truest to the genre and I'll show you a band that hasn't put out a lot of albums...
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 13:51
The Flower Kings are continually knocked for being derivative of the best prog bands. I think that qualifies them for being truest to the genre and also disproves your statement. ------------- 
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 14:32
Er, Magma and Tangerine Dream ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 21:37
| As said, I thought about "The Flower Kings", even though I haven't heard much from them. I would also think about Dream Theater and Transatlantic. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 23:20
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Hi Xonty, great post!
To me The Beatles considering their era, they were and are to date fundamental and ground-breaking in terms of progressive music. They experimented with several instruments inc. the French horn and the Sitar among many others just to name a few, also to me they were the first to produce a metal track which is Helter Skelter :) Also they did not take stupid things seriously and made some silly tracks (i.e. I AM A walrus), I love silly tracks 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 01:25
Yeah, mostly the 'new' (as in 90s onwards) bands actually. I guess it was harder for older bands to survive long enough to release a dozen or more albums and remain prog. Also, the music was evolving much more rapidly in the 70s whereas by the 90s, prog's boundaries were kind of defined. Of the well known older bands, maybe KC stuck to prog all the way. Haven't heard some of the mid 70s work of VDGG so not sure if they qualify. Rush and Camel went borderline at times but probably not out and out pop at any stage unlike Yes/Genesis/GG. I have heard that Merci is Magma's attempt at pop but haven't heard the album so can't comment.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 02:37
Can a copy be considered closer to the original than an original that has progressed beyond their starting point from the early 70's? (King Crimson and to a lesser extent, VDGG are the only originals I can think of who have managed this without recourse to dumbing down their music) BTW I'm not having a go at the Flower Kings, but for me they're retroprogressives, albeit very talented and skilful ones like Transatlantic, Wobbler and Black Bonzo etc ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 02:40
yeah but this genre tagging is for the listener to compartmentalize, for me Vangelis should never be in prog related but in prog electronic. Most artists get uncomfortable being pigeon holed into a genre. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 05:42
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 07:07
I agree; the same thing is with The Who. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 14:18
I think you miss the point of the thread. The assertion being made is that a band has to push the boundaries and release new, original, interesting material to be true to the idea of progressive rock... not live 1973 pipe dreams. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 17:53
Which is what I meant to say in my earlier rambling post-------------
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 17:55
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 20:12
| Erm, I feel a bit embarrassed to appear as if I am taking up cudgels for Flower Kings, but I cannot think of a single band that was ALWAYS experimenting and trying COMPLETELY new ideas. Not even KC or Zappa would pass that test. If that's the premise of the thread, then it's overambitious and unrealistic. Every band or artist goes through periods of (relative) coasting along or settling down in terms of style. Poseidon is by no means a radical departure from ITCOTCK nor is SABB from LTIA. As for the "band/artist that keeps true to the GENRE of prog rock" (quoting from the OP, only capitalising the word genre), TFK does qualify. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 23:25
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Wouldn't say crimson because their compositions don't really demand to be listened many times apart from the early 70s and early 80s eg 70-71 and 82-83. Experimental but not one of the truly strong prog bands IMO. Gentle giant would be the ultimate prog band producing strong catchy smart compositions for most of the decade. Tull are my fave band though because they knew when to tone complexity and experimenting down and to mix it up with some mild heavy rock. Great compositions will always win. Trying to be busy all the time is an overdose. Trying to be experimental all the time means you aren't a very good composer ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 03:54
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Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 03:57
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 04:04
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 04:08
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 04:12
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 04:25
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 09:01
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Crimson seems the obvious answer to me. A core band to the genre, always experimenting and evolving. The depth of the discography and the continued relevance makes them more significant than others. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 18:22
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Goblin.
Yeah, they recorded that one album called Volo, but that's Goblin-in-name-only. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |