King Crimson vs. Rush - 1970's
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Topic: King Crimson vs. Rush - 1970's
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Subject: King Crimson vs. Rush - 1970's
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:16
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Which of these bands do you prefer from their 70's music? Yes, 1969 is included. Both bands were founded in 1969, though King Crimson began releasing albums immediately, and saw moderate success early from their debut album. However, they almost fell apart completely over the next couple years due to member disinterest, and after multiple lineup changes, they then found success again with 'Larks' Tongues in Aspic' and later 'Red'. However, King Crimson then disbanded in 1974, and we would see nothing more from them in this decade. Studio Releases - In the Court of the Crimson King, In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard, Islands, Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, Red Rush on the other hand got off to a slower start. They didn't release their first album until 1974. Also unlike King Crimson, they had one lineup change, and they've been set since then. With the initial bluesy sound, followed by the dabbling in progressive styles, Rush finally broke through with '2112' in 1976, and followed it up with their two proggiest albums, 'A Farewell to Kings' and 'Hemispheres'. Studio Releases - Rush, Fly by Night, Caress of Steel, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres |
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:36
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King Crimson
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:40
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KC by a smidge
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:50
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Three years ago I would have said Rush without any hesitation, but I gotta go with KC on this one. Their material was so much more varied, and overall more interesting to my ears. Not to mention that I've been feeling rather cold towards the early Rush albums over the past couple of years. These bands 80s material would be a much closer match-up for me.
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:55
That's the sequel to this poll.  |
Eria Tarka wrote:Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:58
I go with King Crimson too. I love Rush, as they're probably my favorite of all time, and both of these band's music was quite good during this period, but King Crimson did make more interesting music than Rush. They were quite eclectic ( and this is the wrong place to disagree about that  )
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 02:07
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Fripp any day ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 02:22
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I came to KC late in my prog journey. I had enjoyed all era's of Rush enormously, but trying to be objective about this, I think KC were the better band. More interesting and original in their approach to making music. So, my vote goes to KC.
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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 03:41
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King Crimson. But it's not so easy to decide for me. I absolutely love Rush from 2112 onward (2112 was the first album from them I heard back in 1981 or so and it got me immediately). But in fact, KC music has more colours and sparks in itself (although technically Peart with Lee are unbeatable IMHO).
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 05:10
| Rush for me |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 05:16
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King Crimson hands down. I adore some scattered Rush tunes from their 70s albums as well as the whole CoS record, but KC made entire releases that I'm absolutely crazy about during the same time.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 05:47
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Rush has the album track Xanadu and the albums Hemispheres and Caress of Steel, but KC has a handful of 4- and 5-star albums. So this time I choose to howl with the KC fanbase choir. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 06:18
| I can't think of any band that I appreciate more than Crimson. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 07:40
Yeah. I prefer to pray in the Temple Of Crimson. 
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 08:52
This. Plus KC has so much more musical creativity and sheer talent than Rush.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 09:30
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I think 'In the Court" is my fave album out of all here but Hemispheres, Farewell and 2112 would be my next 3 Lark's Tongue is one of my faves as well Hard to vote against Crimso but I have to go with Rush ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 09:30
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Crimson. ------------- Making the useless useful 24/7. |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 09:56
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Is this even fair? King Crimson without question. It's not even remotely close
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 10:09
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Rush, easily.
I really like their 70s hard rock period as well as their later, more progressive era. King Crimson do almost nothing for me. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 10:50
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King Crimson quite easily. I don't like Rush. -------------  |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 10:58
I figured this would happen for the 70's, but I see every decade since then being a lot closer. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 10:58
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Specifying only '70's material, I would have to go with Rush. Throw in the rest and I might vote a different way.
You guys do realize that '70's should exclude ITCOTCK, right? ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 11:42
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In the Court is actually my least favourite of the 1960s through 1970s albums anyway. King Crimson by a mile. Much more varied, interesting, and versatile band, I believe. I used to be very big on Rush as a teenager, and still enjoy Caress of Steel as well as quite a bit of other Rush material (and I never turn off any Rush if it comes up on the radio, erm, well, unless I have company, a headache, can easily manipulate the radio frequencies while driving, have a non-radio music option, can safely reach the off button et cetera). King Crimson I discovered as a |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 11:44
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 12:44
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KC by far. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 12:50
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Going against the grain here and voting for Rush.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 12:54
Yeah, I'll vote Rush too, f it.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 13:06
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I'm with the majority ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 13:23
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Deep Purple ------------- |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 13:30
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Rush was the first prog band I got immersed in, though, so I do give them a hat-tip for that. If not for them, I wouldn't have discovered my now faves, and that's not to say their stuff doesn't hold up either. It definitely does! But then there's KC... |
I know what I picked Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 13:50
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 13:58
Makes their album strength better without it. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 13:59
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Why am I not surprised that a poll featuring Kc and Rush already has 50 votes. Gotta love it. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 14:31
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Lol.
KC, easily. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 17:16
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Both bands released their best material in the 70's in my opinion but RUSH just had that magic so simple yet so complex as well. KC all over the place with line-up changes. Who can compete with Lee and Peart?(Don't tell me Wetton and Bruford) ha. I think some of King Crimson's music in the 70's is a joke( Providence  sounds like a cat getting strangled)All those improv pieces all sound the same to me(not even remotely interesting). Rush in my opinion though the instruments and music were not as eclectic they were still pretty darn good. Imagine if Rush had a David Cross or someone like that. Think about it. For a 3 man band they were still pretty darn good(and still are). Their best albums for me are LTIA and AFTK. I choose Larks Tongues in Aspic< A Farewell to Kings "Every nerve is torn apart!!!! RUSH  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 20:08
| King Crimson. I don't like anything by Rush. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 21:05
| King Crismon. I do enjoy Rush, but I think their albums through the 70's sound all very similar, while King Crimson were extremely diverse. Plus, there's no album from Rush that get's close to Crimson's debut. Nor any Rush song I like as much as Epitaph and Starless (though 2112 may get close). |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 21:08
Burn! I agree though
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 00:38
I said in the OP that 1969 was included. |
Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 00:41
| Easily Rush - I've never gone nuts for a King Crimson album however I do recognise their importance to prog music. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 03:44
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Lemme see. If we ignore '60s pop record ITCOTCK ;) based on release date we can get KC from 70 - 74 (with a '75 posthumous USA classic live record). As KC went into hibernation Rush emerged. Hemispheres, A Farewell to Kings and 2112 are the Rush classics to end the 1970s. Poseidon, Red, Larks Tongues, Starless And Bible Black are The KC classics released just as Rush arrived.. I know Lizard is unique and I like it it is a one off idea that is more experimental as Fripp tries to organize KC into something resembling a working band. Poseidon finishes the train of thought begun with ITCOTCK, Islands is a bit like Lizard as a working ideal, shame it resulted in the awful sounding Earthbound. Rush take the honours in concert releases here, but archive releases re-write (re-right?) KC's live era with a more positive epitaph. KC get the vote here but I'm damned if I'll do without them great Rush albums, Fly By Night is quite a good set of pieces. Caress of Steel is very ambitious but needed that sense of structure that extended works like The Necromancer needed. This turned up with 2112 to the extent I kind of wished it was a 40 minute long concept. Rush is a good hard rock album, but it's the last works taking the honours with KC possibly getting their considerable musical nose in front. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 15:44
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KC..........I mean ..they are my all time favorite prog band ,
but those Rush fellas did write that cool Tom Sawyer tune.
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 20:47
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King Crimson because of In the Court of the Crimson King, or else it would have been Rush. ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: November 22 2013 at 02:00
The overrated album was released in 1969 ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: November 23 2013 at 09:06
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Just about decided on King Crimson, but if their debut wasn't there it could have gone either way
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: November 23 2013 at 09:26
The debut was an odd thing that I still only listen to more for historical reasons than for enjoyment, and it was indeed in 69. It was made stranger still by In The Wake... I don't like Islands. Lizard, Larks Tongues, and Starless are magnificent. On the basis of those albums I voted Crimson. It was a good period for Rush too, certainly. |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: November 23 2013 at 12:16
Yes but the poll creator said it was included and the album is a masterpiece. ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 02:54
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Rush by many a mile. I simply adore their stuff from 2112- Hemispheres (which they managed to surpass with their next 2 releases - IMHO) Crimson - I will never understand their popularity. They are clearly loved by most of the prog community - I just don't know why - I've tried listening to different KC albums but finally just gave up.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 03:11
Brilliantly innovative and never content to rest on their laurels. You should listen to their live material.
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Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 03:43
When I say I don't get KC it is with no sense of joy. I feel like I am missing out on something but I can't force myself to like something that I don't enjoy. However, I understand what you mean when you talk about them being a band always trying to move forward. But they are just not for me. Still, I love some frowned upon albums like: Topographic Oceans, A Passion Play, Platinum & Breathless - it keeps things interesting when we like different things!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 08:27
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King Crimson. Was never much of a Rush fan. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 06 2013 at 20:47
what you talking 'bout Willis ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 06 2013 at 20:56
The poll creator did indeed include In the Court in the original post for some reason, or aare you referring to the calling it a masterpiece bit? Diff'rent Strokes for different folks, I guess. ;) |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 06 2013 at 23:48
You called? That's King Crimson for you though. They were the hardest band for me to get into in the prog world. |
Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:00
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Rush by a mile. More talented musicians + better songs.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 15:21
Preach it bro  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 17:18
Same to me !
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 17:25
| KC but it's pretty close for me. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 18:00
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Without the debut from King Crimson - Rush win out for me. It's down to LTIA, Starless and Bible Black and the glorious Red against 2112, Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres. Those last two swing it for me. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 05:02
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Permanent Waves was released on January 14, 1980. It was written completely in the 70s so it could have been included in this poll. Not sure that would have change the results all that much though. I'm a huge Rush fan and am only now really exploring KC. I didn't vote, although KC could never mean as much to me as Rush does. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 05:05
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Since the poll question says who do I prefer, the answer is Rush. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 06:04
| King Crimson. |
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 06:58
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 17:01
Lmao. No contest. The trio from Canada blows the cheesy 80s Crimso away ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 17:52
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King Crimson. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 19:48
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I still listen to King Crimson. I don't listen to Rush. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 22:55
| I love Rush seventies albums, but in the eighties not listen much their after Signals-albums, I have Power Windows and Presto and listen them maybe one time in five years. Really liked Power Windows much more than Grace Under Pressure when those came. Never liked Hold Your Fire. The title song with that awful video of "Roll the Bones"... I am much more Crimson seventies album lover, but really think they do lot better after seventies than Rush. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 23:24
PA would disagree ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |