what's so special about...
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Topic: what's so special about...
Posted By: Stool Man
Subject: what's so special about...
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 08:24
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Let's discuss a different classic album here each week. Why are they so special? Firstly, I want to know: What's so special about "Close To The Edge"? Next weekend we can discuss another highly rated album here, and eventually we'll give new prog fans an up-to-date list of reasons why so-and-so is at the top end of the PA ratings list List of albums discussed in this topic.
page 1: Close To The Edge by Yes.
page 4: Thick As A Brick by Jethro Tull.
page 5: Selling England By The Pound by Genesis.
page 6: Dark Side Of The Moon by Pink Floyd.
pages 7 & 18: Red by King Crimson.
page 9: Brain Salad Surgery by ELP.
page 11: Godbluff by VDGG.
page 12: Per Un Amico by PFM.
page 14: Hemispheres by Rush.
page 14: Relayer by Yes.
page 15: Foxtrot by Genesis. page 17: Playing The Fool by Gentle Giant.
page 17: Moonmadness by Camel.
page 19: Hamburger Concerto by Focus. page 19: Autobahn by Kraftwerk.
page 20: In The Land Of Grey And Pink by Caravan.
page 21: Birds Of Fire by Mahavishnu Orchestra.
page 21: Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquième Saison by Harmonium.
page 21: Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd.
page 22: In The Court Of The Crimson King by King Crimson.
page 23: Tago Mago by Can.
page 23: Ommadawn by Mike Oldfield.
page 24: Rock Bottom by Robert Wyatt.
page 24: Hot Rats by Frank Zappa.
page 24: The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage by Peter Hammill. page 25: Aqualung by Jethro Tull.
page 26: Flying Teapot by Gong.
page 26: Arbeit Macht Frei by Area.
page 26: Hatfield And The North by Hatfield And The North.
page 27: Rubycon by Tangerine Dream.
page 28: Crime Of The Century by Supertramp.
page 28: Voyage Of The Acolyte by Steve Hackett.
page 28: In A Glass House by Gentle Giant.
page 29: Leftoverture by Kansas.
page 30: Days Of Future Passed by The Moody Blues.
page 31: Spectrum by Billy Cobham. page 31: Warrior On The Edge Of Time by Hawkwind.
page 31: Kind Of Blue by Miles Davis.
page 32: Io Sono Nato Libero by Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso.
page 32: Scheherazade And Other Stories by Renaissance.
page 33: Mëkanïk Dëstruktïẁ Kömmandöh by Magma.
page 33: Space Shanty by Khan. page 34: First Utterance by Comus.
------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 09:25
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Nothing.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 10:14
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Hi,
Along with Atom Heart Mother and Thick as a Brick, these three were the long cuts I loved listening to consistently and trip my head on.
I thought, and still do, that all three were marvelous despite history not being kind to them, with Roger trashing AHM as a way to tell Ron Geesin to stop asking for a dinner or two, and then CTTE was not exactly liked by most rock journalists, and was considered overblown and pretentious, probably the strong organ parts, that kinda showed that an organ could be used as a serious instrument and not sound like blues (the Hammond) or some kind of religious music. I kinda felt that the stigma that the "organ" always showed religious music was stupid! TAAB was OK, but I'm not sure that some folks liked some comments on it. I rather think that people wanted to hear Ian blow out his 20 minute version of "My God" which was on several bootlegs, instead of a piece that no one understood, or knew what it was about! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 11:21
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sleeper wrote:Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 11:39
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 12:13
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Overrated and supremely hyped album. Just like any other "progressive" rock album, by the way. Let's be honest for once: who in one's right mind really enjoy the stuff by Pink Floyd, Genesis or King Crimson? Let's be serious! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 12:16
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Jon Anderson Bill Bruford Steve Howe Chris Squire Rick Wakeman
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Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 12:22
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^ Brilliant post :) Yeah, its the people, always the people. If it works, it works. Close to the Edge is what it sounds like if you give really talented musicians the freedom to express themselves the way they want to, and boy did they take advantage of that. They really did play well together these guys. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 12:35
Indeed, 5 of my very favourite prog musicians in the 70's... if not my very favourite, at their creative peak. Great music performed by excellent musicians. Everything in that album is perfect and varied and fresh. Hardly ever has there been such a line-up where every musician is at the top of their instruments, and none of them was weaker than the rest of the band. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 12:42
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I apply the following to all pieces of music:
Don't expect one group of people to understand and appreciate what the other group enjoys. Some people like it for one subset of things, others like it for another subset of things. Don't try to figure out this mystery. If you are really interested in this kind of things, study sociomusicology. Otherwise, would you like to discuss it in clinical terms (merits)? Because I personally don't care for the terms themselves. I can't explain why I really like the chorus to GG's "So Sincere". And we have a word for it that lets us off so easily in many discussions - subtlety. "I don't know what it is that I love about it; it's just so subtle!" I guess all I'm saying is that you are asking for an answer that is perchance beyond the scope of a thread. Don't try to figure it out. If it doesn't work for ya, then it doesn't work for ya. Let it go or try again later. In my view music is about experience, not the formulaic music theory itself. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 14:18
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It's simply "close to the edge of perfection"...
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 16:20
Ermm? I do, along with the majority of prog rock fans, and a great many music fans as well. Am I missing some kind of ironical statement here?  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: the lighthouse keepe
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 16:29
 CLOSE TO THE EDGE AND YOU AND ISIBERIAN KHATRU Nuff said .
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 16:30
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The title track. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 16:33
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 16:53
I let you know that 50% of my posts are sarcasms, 50% are silly jokes, and the other 50% are serious. The quota would depend on the context: stating that Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis and King Crismon are overrated bands on a forum dedicated to progressive rock could lead reader to think that this post is pure sarcasm, with mild silliness inside. Except for Pink Floyd. I still prefer Close To The Edge to Dark Side of the Moon.  |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 17:13
+ Siberian Cthulhu. One of my favorites Yes compositions.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 01:16
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 01:54
......the album cover.......
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 03:32
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3 cool songs. It's not like any album written after 1983 can reach this quality ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 05:20
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 05:22
Because post 1983 music is rubbish, duh. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 05:33
| ^ Duh? What happened to Marillion? Harold Budd and Brian Eno? |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 05:34
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^ Who? ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 05:53
Haven't you noticed compositions and drum sounds just dropped off around 1984 with all of those old prog bands? ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 05:57
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 06:00
They are part of the problem. (But, in fact, it's  ) |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 06:10
Swans - Filth > Yes - Close to the Edge EDIT: I see it says "after", not "in". I don't think you're serious.
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Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 06:43
I've never really seen why "Close to the Edge" is so highly rated - I like it fine enough but I don't adore it. Personally the top of the heap Yes album for me is "Relayer" I am going to give "Close to the Edge" another listen later on today to see if I've missed anything relating to my feeling 
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 09:24
But why is it special? Having all the songs being "cool" isn't enough, because 'coolness' is a matter of opinion
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 09:28
| I think it is a great album. Its execution is a tad too clinical for my liking. It comes across as an exhibition of the talent of the fine musicians that make up Yes to me and I can't relate to it emotionally. So, for why it's supposedly so obviously the best prog rock album ever, I have no clue at all. I cannot say I like it more than Fragile, for starters, and my most favourite Yes moments are on that album, rather than CTTE. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 10:00
| It starts with sound of birds |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 10:43
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Its score on the pentagram is like a cubist painting ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 10:46
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It's got a green cover art and no bad curry vibes. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 11:04
| Rick Wakeman's cape. |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 11:30
While not religious, I definitely get a spiritual vibe from almost anything Jon Anderson sings. Especially Yes in the early 70's. Then again, it fit quite will with the times. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 11:30
Are you Walter in disguise?  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 12:40
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^ If I remember correctly Walter believe post 1989 music is rubbish. Six more years of music to enjoy
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 12:44
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What's so special about Close to the Edge? Let's see: 1 - Jon Anderson's crazy lyrical imagery creates a natural sense of fantasy and wonderment 2 - Steve Howe plays guitar leads like no one before him had. sounds like mice scampering up the fretboard 3 - The album contained three epic pieces and none of them were boring 4 - The four parts of the title suite have funny names if you imagine them as pieces about constipation (Total Mass Retain! The Solid Time of Change! I Get Up, I Get Down!) ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 13:37
| If you have to explain to somebody what classic Symphonic Prog is, not many better things than letting them listen to And You And I. |
Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:02
Nope  Listened to it again and as far as I'm concerned "Relayer" leaves it stone cold - I still don't get all the hype for CTTE although it is a work of art admittedly however it's art that doesn't grab me all that hard. Spooled up the "Soon" section of "Gates.." and as always it blew my mind. At a push I personally would rate "Close to the Edge" with 4 stars but it would be a hard push especially noting that right now I'm listening to VDGG's H To He album which rates a 4 at least in my eyes. CTTE top of the heap for me? No, kind of in the middle somewhere.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:04
| H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:08
Why are you stating obvious facts here?
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:09
It's important for education.  |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:11
Nothing against VdGG, but I feel it like saying that Love Beach is better than Tarkus ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:15
I should check out Love Beach then, seeing i already hate Tarkus. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:21
Silly comments. I love H to the He, and VDGG were a great band. But to state, unequivocally, that this is better than CTTE is such a subjective opinion as to be practically worthless. Yes are a better band if you prefer them over VDGG, and vice versa. In truth, neither are "better", except in people's individual opinion. I happen to prefer CTTE, whilst loving H........ ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:24
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You always gotta calm things down ;[ But it's inevitable in a thread that's seeking an answer to such a question.
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Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:37
Steve is always so calm  Must be all that Hogarth era Marillion. I was getting ready to break out the peanuts and beer for a while there to watch the action before he spoiled it all |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:39
Now now, i'm not that crazy.  |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 15:37
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Well if we are talking about prog albums blowing other prog albums out of the water then for me Aphrodites Child 666 does just that making the likes of Yes and VDGG look as though they are positively lacking ambition
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 15:39
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^The distinction of "that crazy" would depend on how much more you liked H than CTTE. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 23:31
^ I've always thought this was the best pre-Relayer Yes song. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 23:46
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The level of musicianship on CTTE was positively sublime. I personally think that Chris Squire was at his very best on CTTE, and kicked the door open for a new style of bass guitar = very aggressive, staccato-picking technique that was quite revolutionary. He took it far beyond what Greg Lake, Ray Bennett and other peers were offering at the time. I saw the CTTE show in Chicago on 22 September, 1972, and the band performed the entire work flawlessly. Squire was all over the stage, he had a roadie dedicated to feeding his bass guitar chord & then reeling it back in when he moved the other direction!! Squire would sing, play bass and bass pedals simultaneously. There are excellent bands, and then there was Yes in 1972.  |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 01:27
^ Squire also championed a brilliant innovation which gave his Rickenbacker 4001 such a distinctive sound. The 4001 featured a stereo output (one output jack per pickup) but unfortunately, Squire's 4001 was a lower priced monophonic model imported to the UK by Rose Morris (a 1964 RM1999). Undeterred, he had his bass rewired for stereo. He then ran 1 pickup through a bass amp and the other through a fuzz box (or overdriven guitar amp). Normally a bass run through a fuzz box loses all the deep low end, but with Squire's setup he kept the low end solid and added that wonderfully distorted treble sound at the same time. For me Squire was revolutionary for both his innovative style as well as his unique sound. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 03:41
| And in a time when LP cover art was quite important, CTTE did not need a fancy Roger Dean cover to blow a few minds off. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 03:53
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 05:44
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 05:49
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 06:37
True. I never heard bass pedals in Yes music. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 06:48
| CTTE is a five-star album no doubt, but Fragile is closer to my heart aesthetically. CTTE doesn't have the most lovely Five % for Nothing and The Fish. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 07:37
"That was an unaccompanied bass pedal solo from Christopher Squire". I think I'm getting muddled up somewhere.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 10:07
VDGG might have been as good as Yes if only they could have found a decent singer.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 11:56
From interview with Chris:
Q: Are you still using the same Taurus bass pedals? Were they ever modified? Does your wife complain about rattling the windows when you play them at home?
A: [laughs] I don’t play them at home, so no problems there. The original bass pedals that I started off with were actually made by a company called Dewtron, which was an Italian company, and I believe they were made in the sixties. And then later on, Moog came out with the Taurus pedals and I also acquired a set of those, and I used to combine the sounds from both pedals through a special switching box I had made. However, in time, once I settled on a sound I really liked, which was a combination of both units, I ended up sampling the desired sound, and to this day, I trigger the sampled sound when YES play live shows. http://yesworld.com/2013/04/ask-yes-friday-26th-april-2013-chris-squire/" rel="nofollow - http://yesworld.com/2013/04/ask-yes-friday-26th-april-2013-chris-squire/
so yes, it could be that he was playing the Dewtron pedals back then
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 13:53
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This seems to be the device used by Squire and also Mike Rutherford until Moog released the Taurus
DEWTRON MISTER BASSMAN
apparently they were also played by Jon Anderson with his hands on Yours Is No Disgrace in the Tony Kaye era
 Played by Rutherford
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 15:52
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^ That deserves an addition in your "An Illustrated Guide to Prog Rock Instruments" thread.
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 16:11
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There are so many varied opinions on this album on this forum. All I can say is if you lived the music back then and saw the early Yes tours like I did it was magical. ------------- Deafmoon |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 16:25
| I will say that, while CTTE has three great pieces, I can't say they do anything more for me together than they do alone. In contrast, the underrated Tales is a much more cohesive, rewarding album as a whole IMO. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 16:33
 I laughed so hard when I read this earlier on my phone, I think a little wee came out. Thanks Stiiv! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 16:52
Fixed. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 20 2013 at 17:27
Thanks for posting the photo, after reading this thread I was very curious to see these. Check out this video of them "in action." Compared to the Moog Taurus pedals, these are like an ugly kids toy...it's a wonder Rutherford and Squire could do anything useful with them... ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 05:50
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Indeed one can see Jon Anderson playing the Dewtron Mister Bassman pedals with his hands in this video in Yours Is No Disgrace.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 05:53
 The Taurus was not such an innovative concept as I had thought.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 20:30
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 23:20
Oh, but it was! What made the Taurus so innovative was not only the incredible sounding Moog filters, but the programmable patch. You'd open that little window on the front and could set all kinds of programmable parameters and do things that sounded more like a MiniMoog than bass pedals. Moog's later attempts at reissuing this (The Taurus 2 and 3) never captured the same magic. Besides, the Dewtron's sound was pretty bland compared with the Taurus that would rattle the windows. There was nothing like Genesis on the Wind and Wuthering tour, when Rutherford hit the Taurus on Firth of Fifth you could feel the building shake
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 23:54
...to say nothing of Genesis's "Fly On A Windshield" from The Lamb! Sadly, I missed that tour but saw the tribute band "The Musical Box" perform this at an old theater in Chicago...when the Moog Taurus was engaged, a snowstorm of paint flakes and dust from the ceiling filled the air! It was great! http://youtu.be/XzBJcsAanQA" rel="nofollow - http://youtu.be/XzBJcsAanQA
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 07:52
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ok, another week, another album. What's so special about "Thick As A Brick"? ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 08:27
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I think it's overrated,a 3-stars albumbut of course it's just my opinion. It would have been a great 20-25 minutes epic but extending it to fit a LP has partially ruined it. It's better than TAAB 2 (I've seen JT live few months ago playing the two albums) but I think it contains too many fillers. I prefer the shortened version on Bursting Out. My fav JT album is Aqualung ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 09:44
Agree to an extent with your views, though I would rate it four stars. What makes it special is the riff. That is simply irresistible. But it's simply not enough for a 40-plus minute track. TAAB ultimately lacks musical development to match its ambition.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 09:58
Yes, it could be a 4-stars album. The non-filler parts are excellent. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 23:11
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I think it's very special because I love almost all the sections TAAB moves through...I think the 1st half and the drum solo is really strong...all the way up to the "Do you believe in the day" part, that's where I think it really bogs down for a few minutes. But when it gets back on track and builds to the "So come all ye childhood heroes" refrain which ties the two halves together, all is forgiven That being said, Passion Play is my fave JT album  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 23:28
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Would if be bad if i said nothing for the second time?
I get so bored listening to it. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Chozal
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:59
It's the first rock album with only one song on it. Lazy b*****ds. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Infinite-Progability-Drive/141225469388975" rel="nofollow - The Infinite Progability Drive , feeding you daily progressive/weird music for just a like <3 |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 18:56
Mostly I agree with this too. Most of the greatness of the album is represented at the "Live Bursting Out" version... plus about 8 min of the second side which I happent to love too. But it's got lot's of parts that I don't really like so much, or feel kind of out of place. Perhaps if he had used about the same music, but didn't go out of his way to make it 1 song all around it would have worked better for me. Perhaps a 13 min song (just as arranged on Bursting Out... or almost), some other 8 min song from the second side, plus several other shorter songs using the rest of the music from the album. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 19:47
| T.A.A.B is difficult for me to digest in the present, but with the right mood swing or state of mind, I might enjoy it once again. Maybe if I were trapped in the house during a snow blizzard...T.A.A.B. would flow nicely with a few glasses of wine. Many classic prog albums of the past feel very special until you have performed them live with a tribute band ..playing the pieces note for note for years with other band members and growing sick and tired ..arriving to a point in life where you attempt to squeeze out every obscure prog album that doesn't emulate it for the sake of feeling jaded. One person I know told me he would never become a serious musician because after years of devotion he might hate all the music he originally loved listening to. `What can be done and is there a solution? I move on to other styles of music like John Cage, Art Zoyd, Far Corner, Univers Zero and find some enjoyment. But with Zappa's Roxy and Elsewhere I have difficulties listening because I've been playing along with those pieces for years. It is a nightmare and it does happen in the life of a musician often. ...which explains why some devoted musicians in prog bands listen more to music from other cultures than progressive rock itself. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 21:34
| 'Sokay. Not "special," but not bad, either. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 22:50
Sometimes learning a long loved classic prog song ruins it because it strips the magic and mystery out of it ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 23:01
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 00:26
Another beacon of what prog rock was/can be/etc, for better or worse. IMO it's for the better. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 01:39
| Its fun |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 04:07
| I like the 'Really Don't Mind' part and the humor n' wit of the newspaper thing. There are a few good moments scattered here and there, but much of the rest of TAAB doesn't really do anything for me. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 05:40
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Week 3.
What's so special about "Selling England By The Pound"? ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 05:48
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I dono.
Its like a beautiful women, its looks good, its smells great, it tastes wonderful. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 08:48
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Absolutely nothing for me. My fav song on that album is the one the fans like less: The Battle Of Epping Forest.
I know what I like and I don't like that song... ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 10:49
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Yes...I know we are onto Selling England....but as far as TAAB, imo it should have been shortened to one side and then other songs on the second side.
As far as Selling....I think the whole thing works-4 stars- except for the 'love song' by Collins It always ruined the overall feel/flow of the album for me. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 21:36
| This is my very favourite Genesis album, with three majestic songs that truly suport the weight of the whole album (Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, and Cinema Show... three of the very best songs they ever did, along with Musical Box and Supper's Ready). Unfortunatley it also has one song dragging this album down, the very Battle of Epping Forest (I really dislike the "humorous" songs from Genesis, they end up being rather annoying). The Collins song is also rather weak, but rather short and not particularly disturbing. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 22:05
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Ugh. To me, it's like the epitome of tedium. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 23:09
^ this and also I find "I Know What I Like" to be incredibly boring and tedious. I also love Epping Forest especially the "They call me the Reverend..." section with all the silly voices...back in the 70's one of the guys in our circle of prog friends was named Robert so of course he became known as "Bob the Nob" ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: September 04 2013 at 01:31
| Love SEBTP however it doesn't surpass "Foxtrot" imo which for me is the peak of the Genesis albums. The way I see it there are no weak spots or holes in "Foxtrot" where there a a few on SEBTP (for example the Collins Love Song which pointed the way that later Genesis efforts would take. |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: September 04 2013 at 01:41
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SEBTP is an album that I go back and forth on... I love half of the album, but the rest fluctuates regularly. The Cinema Show and Firth of Fifth are masterpiece tracks, all day, every day. Dance with the Moonlit Knight is also probably up there. The shorter ones are nice with varying degrees of quality, some better (After the Ordeal) than others (More Fool Me). Here's the stumper... The Battle of Epping Forest. I honestly have heard that track many times and still for the life of me cannot decide how I feel about it. Heck, it was easier for me to form an opinion on such stumpers as Discipline's Into the Dream and Riverside's Hybrid Times, and those are musical mind-f***s. The kicker with this track for me, however, is the interruption posed by the B section where the meter, melody, instrumentation, and even story morph into something distantly related from the preceding and following material. I'm just not sold on that B section... I love the keyboard solos; Tony Banks's tone is unworldly and marvelous. I just don't know how to assess it as it seems so disjointed on such a large scale. |