What Doors songs are the most Prog?
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Topic: What Doors songs are the most Prog?
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Subject: What Doors songs are the most Prog?
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 21:34
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I just heard that Ray Manzarek has died. As one of the first well known organ/keyboard players in rock, Ray helped create The Doors signature sound. Besides the straight ahead rock numbers that brought The Doors radio airplay and fame, there were plenty of proggish moments for this genre stretching rock band. To honour the memory of Ray, select those songs that you think defined the proggiest moments of The Doors. This is a multiple choice poll so choose all The Doors songs that you think fall in the prog realm. RIP Ray Manzarek...Break On Through!
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 22:42
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Oh, that's a large choice of 'em. "The Crystal Ship" "Light My Fire" (why do you think this album is so heavily celebrated even by non-prog listeners?   )"Riders on the Storm"
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 23:28
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I had to cast a vote for The Changeling, one of my favorites of theirs and one that I played when I was in a band many moons ago. Our bassist had a really hard time with it. And yes, I voted several others. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 23:32
| There is another list asking what the Proggiest Doors songs are......I always will love 'Ships w/Sails' - maybe a re-hash of 'Riders On The Storm', but I love Ray's voice and the groove of that song cooks. I'll be spinning 'The Golden Scarab' this eve in memory of Ray. I've always admired Ray - interviews with the man show him to be a loving, caring, intelligent down-to-Earth human being. The world is a marginally lesser place without him. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 23:40
I have missed his gig only few months ago.... ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 02:56
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Light My Fire and When the Music's Over are fine examples of proto-prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 04:59
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This is the end Beautiful friend -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 11:52
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Went with... The Crystal Ship (the opening line "And as you slip into unconsciousness I'd like to have another kiss" always reminds me of something Peter Hammill would later write) The End (a Greek tragedy based 12 minute song in 1967...that's prog )When the Music's Over (another multi-part extended song..."We want the world and we want it...now") Celebration of the Lizard (this is an amazing 14+ minute live performance piece combining poetry and some real out-of-the-box music) Hyacinth House (a great mournful chord progression in the verses) People Are Strange Strange Days RIP Ray Manzarek...Break On Through! ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 12:10
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Catacombs, nursery bones Winter women throwing stones Carrying babies to the river Streets and shoes, avenues Leather writers selling news The Monk bought lunch ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 12:12
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There are many many awesome proggy moments in the Doors catalog but The End & Riders on the Storm are the two that stick out in my mind ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 15:46
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Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane All the children are insane Waiting for the summer rain, yeah -------------  
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 15:53
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HolyMoly wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 21 2013 at 16:52
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I'm going to have to take a ride on The Crystal Ship.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 03:26
| I voted for The End but that the most progressive song by the Doors could be almost any song from the list. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 03:39
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The End, When the Music's Over, The Soft Parade,
Celebration of the Lizard ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: NickHall
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 08:22
| musics over |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 21:31
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I guess "The End". On another note, would "Spanish Caravan" be considered prog? ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 06:00
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For me the Celebration of the Lizard certainly sends an echo that many Prog giants possibly caught (albeit unwittingly) re the segueing of several short discrete musical sections into a thematically linked whole e.g. Suppers Ready, Thick as a Brick, Tarkus et al However, the danger here is that we start judging the Doors by criteria that are completely alien to their art i.e. they never aspired to being a Prog Rock band and apart from some frankly wretched poetry, they have precious little in common with the bands fronted by the likes of Gabriel, Sinfield, Lake and Anderson Disclaimer: I adore the Doors, own all their albums but find very little justification for their proto prog inclusion on PA. I've always considered them a far greater influence on Post Punk than Progressive Rock. You can trace their lineage in Joy Division, Patti Smith, Teardrop Explodes and Echo & the Bunnymen but precisely squat in Yes, Genesis, ELP or Crimson. |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 22:57
Write in: Hello, I Love YouI love when oddness is repeated in a pop hook like accompaniment. It's like saying, we can be weird and creative and we can make it fit in. It works much better for me, then prolonged weirdness that seems to meander. Spacing out and playing odd background noises is fine, but doesn't show the same type of skills, debatable, of course, on its a great level of skills. Witness how much bad pop music some prog bands wrote, and then listen to something like "Hello I love You" "Light My Fire," and it goes on and on.....some great musical lyricism in the Doors. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 08:05
I can't really handle the majority of their music but my God The Doors had some incredible moments didn't they. Most of them are found in the selection above too  .I absolutely loved Manzarek's organ work. As to the vote, too many to choose from. An impossible choice |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 08:12
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Hhmm a little weird that I'm the first to vote for L'America. The cut-up avantguarde flavour of this piece is one of the most compelling and odd these guys ever put together. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 09:51
| Albinoni's Adagio from Box Set 1997 |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 10:01
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Interesting that Light My Fire is doing so well. I find it hardly prog at all. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 11:33
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Yes, I also want to go on record that the Doors never did that much for me. The drug addled years of Morrison don't do anything for me. I can tell when a person is about to kill themselves with drugs and alcohol. Some people call it "genius" -- maybe because there is money to be made for them off it. There was something about the Doors that I never liked, compared to bands like Floyd or Hawkwind that had the reputation for drugs but had great longevity. Ever notice that hardly anyone in prog has died early from drug or alcohol use, or suicide in some other way? I think that speaks volumes for the importance of this music. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 12:16
Perhaps prog musicians rank music as their ultimate priority rather than the 'rock star' trappings that can surround it? ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 14:08
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.Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 14:15
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Mr Mojo Risin' ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 14:25
Never said they did but the thread asks it. I hear. A basic bluesy rock song with extended solos. Not proggish, not prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 14:36
| ^ Extended solos (one is Chicago roots jazz, one is flamenco-styled) with a theme and a reprise. I guess, that said, a good number of things before prog had at least a slight degree of prog in it. An evolution in progress. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 19:19
I think it's a case of people voting for their favourite song on the list as opposed to which one they think is 'the most Prog'. Happens all the time. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: May 30 2013 at 06:33
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This !!!
Not especially the track, more like the entire "American P" album
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: May 30 2013 at 06:40
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Or if we talk most avantgarde : This ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: May 30 2013 at 06:47
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: May 30 2013 at 08:01
 I didn't spot that Fixed |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 04 2013 at 03:40
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The Soft Parade ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 04 2013 at 08:32
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Spare a thought for The Unknown Soldier.... Breakfast where the news is read. Television, children fed. Unborn living, living dead. Bullet strikes the helmet's head. ------------- 
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Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 00:13
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I think of the Doors as prog very much. But, they had hits on AM radio. There is the difference. Listen to what other bands were doing at that time and they were definitely prog. And, I love the Doors. They were so unique and original. Probably the best American band of that era. 'Unknown Soldier' is one of my all-time faves.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 00:32
| ^ Sad? His lifestyle was the epitome of "live every day like it's your last". |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 10:07
I don't think it was sad, I think it was part of what made him...well, him. Without being "messed-up" he wouldn't have written the words/lyrics/poems that he did. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Josef_K
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 10:25
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I haven't heard all of these songs, not the greatest The Doors fan around even though they made some nice tunes and Ray is a very big inspiration on me as a keyboardist. His use of keyboard sounds is simply stunning, especially on songs like "People are Strange", "Strange Days" and "The Crystal Ship". Which of these is the most prog is a hard question as I've never really thought about them in that way, but I'd say "The End" for it's craziness and conceptual theme, even though it's hardly my favorite, the beginning is magical but frankly it still bores me after a few minutes. Anyway, the question wasn't which song I liked the most :D ------------- Leave the past to burn, At least that's been his own - Peter Hammill |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 10:37
You can do that without drugs and alcohol. In fact, that's the crux of most religious philosophies, at least in doctrine. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 00:37
What planet are YOU from? You don't think it's sad when a person with talent dies at age 27 from alcohol and/or drugs? And to think his demons, i.e., substance abuse, inspired him to write? You're so very wrong. Morrison was reading and writing profound things long before he got "messed up." Yes, he was messed up, like Amy Winehouse and countless others. Another posted a message like yours. Live every day like it's your last. That's moronic artist crap talk. Drugs don't make artists more creative, they kill them! Read John Densmore's book. He was the drummer in the Doors. Jim's drinking and onstage antics had the band at the end of their wits! Densmore once almost beat the crap out of Morrison after a concert he ruined. If that isn't sad, what is? Jeez! Some people. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 00:47
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^ Uh-huh ... If you really think that excessive passion can help you make a point, you are sadly mistaken. Quite the contrary: it's throwing us off because of its presence. And to think that you had the guts to indicate on the public forum (which is supposed to be a happy place) that we are morons. Rethink your behavior before you start posting crap talk like that.
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Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 00:47
I agree. 'The End' is their most overrated song in my opinion. I actually think 'Touch Me' was their best. It's worth mentioning that Krieger wrote it. Morrison, in fact, wrote very little of the Doors material. After all, he didn't play an instrument. He mainly wrote lyrics. But, I think they now credit all Doors stuff as a band effort. Ray was a great keyboardist, having to play left-hand bass on everything. But, Krieger was the key composer, without a doubt. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 11:34
I'm from the planet where people can post an opinion different from my own without being attacked and called a moron. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 11:57
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The End and by far. Radical changes, different moods, dense atmospheres, interesting lyrics (A shocking example of depressive poetry taken to music), jamming. etc Everything a Proghead loves. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 12:03
I think Moronic is excessive and offensive, but lets be honest, drugs don't make the artist, or you are born with the talent and develop it or simply you don't have it. I'm tired of people saying that drugs expand your mind, drugs kill man, and if it wasn't for them, we would had Jim Morrison writing lyrics for 40 or 50 years more. Jim had a great talent and wasted it. Iván
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 12:33
George Harrison once said that LSD didn't teach him anything he wouldn't have eventually learned through meditation. Maybe Jim just wasn't the meditating type ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 13:34
Meditation, study, effort, imagination are useful, but all may be simplified to one mandatory requisite...TALENT. If you have real talent, the music and lyrics will come, with or without drugs, the difference is that with drugs, you won't be here enough to enjoy the product of that talent. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 13:47
Also, Ivan, it sounds like you've tried drugs, ... have you?
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 14:29
The following quote is from Eric Tamm's book "Robert Fripp: From Crimson King to Crafty Master" ( http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/ch02.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/ch02.htm ) Robert Fripp said in 1986, "Music so wishes to be heard that it sometimes calls on unlikely characters to give it voice." Fripp was - and is - the opposite of a musician like Mozart, whose seemingly divine, God-given talent enabled him, under his father's tutelage, to be playing the harpsichord with facility by the age of five and composing sonatas and symphonies by the age of eight. "One might have a very direct, very innate and natural sense of what music is, like Hendrix, or be like me, a guitar player who began music tone deaf and with no sense of rhythm, completely out of touch with it. For Hendrix the problem was how to refine his particular capacity for expressing what he knew. For me it's how to get in touch with something that I know is there but also I'm out of touch with." I would say meditation, study, effort, and imagination are much more than just useful. Without those disciplines, the world would never have known King Crimson. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 15:52
I lived LEGALLY but heavilly drugged because the asthma I had, with adrenalin 4 o 5 times a month I was higher than anybody and destroyed my nerves, so I always had a lot of respect for drugs. But I seen close friends end like sh*t because of drugs...One of them is my age and still lives in his mother's house, but she has constructed a separate department with no access to the house, because he steals whatever he finds Two other friends from a notable family, and a degree in laws and medicine clean windows bellow a bridge in Lima. Two guys have died of OD Remember something, I'm from a Catholic Private expensive school, kids don't end like that because their parents do anything to save them, but the parents of this guys said enough and let their kids on their own. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 16:23
| I just love the driving energies of L.A. Woman. What a jam!! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 21:15
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I'VE BEEN DOWN SO GOD DAMN LONG ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 23:02
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Some folks still haven't learned to read. I never called anyone a moron. Read it again if you must. I said that the idea that drugs inspire or make an artist more creative is a moronic idea. IT IS!
How many will have to die before people finally get it? Drugs kill and destroy lives. I only reacted in a zealous manner because I was shocked by the comments. I posted a sincere statement that was factual. Morrison was messed up. And I get moronic replies? Of course, I'm going to respond. Nice, smart, or semi-smart people often say moronic things. Happens all the time. Bottom is this. I was and still am a huge Doors fan. And I'll always feel it was sad that he died from his substance abuse. End of story. If I offended anyone, I'm sure you'll get over it. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 23:53
| For someone to have displayed any talent that the public recognises, one must have the talent in the first place - drugs do inspire the imagination to a certain extent, but they also help certain individuals to channel this gift. In the end, drugs do run the risk of killing this talent (not to mention the individual him/herself - every human being should know their limits. Many don't. Jim didn't. Everybody has talent, one just needs to discover and recognise it, much like a meditation on a self's finer points. Meditation is for those who have patience. Jim probably didn't have any patience. I'm sure he never intended to go the way he did. But look at Elvis P - if drugs don't kill you, fatty foods will...... |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 08:54
Elvis did a lot of drugs. It's well-documented prescription drug abuse. About talent: all people have wonderful gifts and I agree with you. However, these are not talents in the arts. Most people will gladly tell you that they don't have any special talent in the arts, and they are grateful, knowing one can have a fulfilled life with family and friends without having to be seen as as artist. They know the suffering real artists go through. The idea that everyone can be an artist or even wants to I think has helped a little to get some of society in the mess it is today, and historically has not been what art has been about. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 10:17
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I went with The End and When The Music's Over....but I don't even think The Doors are proto prog like many here do. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: King Only
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 11:21
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I think a lot of Morrison's problems with drugs and alcohol were a manifestation of his problems with his parents. If I remember correctly, his parents strongly disapproved of his decision to join a rock band. His dad was a military guy. I remember reading somewhere that his dad often told Jim that he had no talent for music or writing. It's hard when your own family can't understand who you are and don't support your dreams. The brother of the Door's drummer also died young, he committed suicide. I think that was also linked to problems with the parents. I believe that alcohol abuse or drug abuse are usually a symptom of stress, depression or other psychological problems. Drug abuse and alcohol abuse are a misguided form of 'self-medication'. Unfortunately they only offer a temporary and illusory escape and often damage or destroy long term users in the process. But if your source of distress and suffering is your own family then it's almost impossible to truly escape from the situation. You can escape physically, which Jim did by cutting off contact with his family. I think he lied in interviews and said that all his family members were already dead? But mentally he couldn't escape from the influence of his parents and I think a lot of his anti-authoritarian attitudes were a result of this internal struggle within himself. It's true that the other members of the band were often angry and frustrated with Jim's actions but I think at the time they didn't really understand Jim's psychological problems. The impression I got from reading John Densmore's book was that Densmore eventually forgave Morrison (although many years after Morrison died). One of the things I respect about Morrison is that he always made an effort to make sure that the other 3 members of the band were properly credited for their effort. Morrison always insisted that it was not "Jim Morrison and The Doors", it was just "The Doors". Morrison was also the one that pushed for the royalties to be split 25% each. He did have some good sides to his personality that are often overlooked because of his problems. I don't agree with some of the above comments that Krieger was the main talent... I think they all contributed 25%. I've heard the albums that the remaining members did after Jim died and there's really something missing. Jim gave the songs an edge. There is a lot of bass guitar on all The Doors albums, usually done by session musicians or friends of the band.
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 11:47
Ya, Jim's father was a Rear Admiral in the US Navy and they never saw eye-to-eye. I remember reading that in the 1st Doors press release the 4 guys each had to fill out a press questionnaire and under "Parents" Jim said that his were dead (which of course they weren't). ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 12:19
I agree wholeheartedly with the idea but abhor the way it was communicated. You have now merely reiterated that those who take a contrary view are 'moronic' Perhaps Bill Hicks (who otherwise, I adored) was culpable in disseminating this skew-whiff notion that 'if you deplore recreational drugs, burn your record collection etc' and like yourself, I've always been dismayed by how heartily we celebrate those who have frittered away their precious talents in any creative sphere through drug abuse e.g. George Best, Paul Gascoigne in football and John Belushi and Sam Kinison in comedy etc. Maybe it's tantamount to us rubbernecking at that celebrity pile up on dawn's hi-way bleeding?. The fact that you were shocked by the elicited comments is your issue to deal with, not ours. Factual statements do not rest on anyone's sincerity and a cerebral giant such as yourself does not need an intellectual pygmy like myself to tell you otherwise. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 13:04
| ^ Plus, there is never a good excuse for such an amount of vicious zeal. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 13:12
Plus it's obvious that Jim was at least bipolar (if not borderline schizophrenic) on a time that this was not diagnosed and when discovered had to use strong medication with terrible side effects. The drugs and booze didn't helped him with his problem Today things have changed a lot in that aspect. Iván -------------
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 13:24
So, if I could read I would have understood that you didn't
call me a moron; however, my idea was moronic as well as my reply. I'm
really glad you're here to set me straight and though I've read your reply
dozens of times, speaking as an apparently barely-literate semi-smart person,
you're really starting to confuse me. Could you explain this to me again
this time in single syllable words? ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 16:36
Strange sentence if you are the Doors fan. Yes, Jim didn't play any instrument, but he had not only lyrics, but melodies too, i.e. he wrote songs. And it was Jim's suggestion to credit all songs as "written by the Doors". When the band became famous Ray, Robby and John were pleasantly surprised by the amount of money when they started receiving royalty cheques. Some of the songs ("Light My Fire", "Love Me Two Times", "Spanish Caravan" (with a bridge borrowed from Isaak Albenitz's "Partido No. 1"), "Yes, The River Knows") were actually written by Robby Krieger, but all songs on first three albums were credited as "written by the Doors" (covers don't count, obviously). Things changed during recording "The Soft Parade". Not because of money - Jim did not want to be associated with Robby's lyrics in "Tell All The People", he said "I don't want people to get their guns and follow me". And on this album and "Morrison Hotel" songs were credited individually. When the Doors recorded "L.A. Woman" they returned to the old agreement to credit all songs as a collective effort. Thus: 1. Jim wrote the majority of songs (with a great musical contribution of the whole band). 2. Then and now the Doors credit songs as they did on their albums. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 19:55
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As I remember it, Jesus was a guy with a lot of zeal who use words like "brood of vipers" to describe people He didn't think were doing much good in the world "Don't give what's holy to the dogs, or cast your pearls before swine." He could have been more politically correct. Maybe some of you can suggest alternative wordings? ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 20:10
| ^ I must have missed some lyrical material where Jim was singing about Jesus ... ? |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 20:53
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^ At least he mentioned Jesus in "When the Music's Over": Persian night, babe See the light, babe Save us! Jesus! Save us! Though I didn't understand brainstormer's post. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 20:59
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I think he was responding to Andrey's claim that there's never an excuse for "vicious zeal". He says Jesus had a lot of zeal, and we all agree Jesus was a great guy, therefore it can be appropriate for one of us to use zeal. Something like that, anyway. Forcing you to either agree with him or claim that Jesus acted inappropriately. A trap! ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 23:38
You cannot petition the lord with prayer.... -------------
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 00:24
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Thanks, that's what I was saying. I like the idea of zeal, in the right people, only. Also, the idea of calling people names can get really out of hand, or using adjectives, in reference to the "moronic" comments, but it also was something Jesus seemed to do pretty frequently. I think it's about what kind of attachment it's done with. Someone might say something is moronic, and he might be referring to something you said, but it's done with a sense of concern for you, not to ridicule you outright and bully you around. I appreciate anyone's right to fight back about it, though. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 03:13
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TO: NotaProgHead:
If you truly believe that Morrison wrote the majority of songs, then I may have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. LOL! That's nonsense. Lyrically? Yes. Musically, no. I'm a musician and it's very hard to compose when one plays no instrument. Perhaps he would make up melodies, hum them to the band, and someone would write them down. Sure, that's possible. 'Hello, I Love You' is a good example. But, it's so simplistic. Besides, you made my case for me. Krieger wrote their top hit, 'Light My Fire.' Plus, 'Touch Me' and many others. Enough of this silly arguing about the Doors already. Oops, you're wrong 'bout LA Woman too. 'Love Her Madly' was all Krieger, words and music. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 08:33
Interesting that he is on the 'Errors and Omissions' team. Just saying...... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 12:35
^ What's wrong with being on the EO team? Wouldn't make much difference if he was an admin/mod.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:33
Calls himself humour and all I see is a lack of it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 16:24
Dayvenkirq tells you a good thing: "Lyric-writing and humming ... hum-m-m-m-m ... that's still writing". If you don't believe this read Ray Manzerek's book (he's also a musician ), read once again Densmore's memoirs, find somewhere track lists and credits of "The Soft Parade" and "Morrison Hotel" albums and then laugh.
Cats and dogs know that "Love Her Madly" written by Krieger. But where I'm wrong? I only tell that all songs on "L.A. Woman" were credited as a collective effort. Obviously, except for John Lee Hooker's cover. It looks like you'd better save swamp lands in Florida for yourself and your heirs. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 14 2013 at 02:37
The above is my original post that started all this crap. Read it. Then, read the replies. It IS sad that he was messed up. Heck, even the other Doors thought so. It was an innocent, factual comment. Then, we get all these folks who think it was okay? I'm done with this site! You're all a bunch of idiots anyway. Thinking prog is alive and well? Give me a break! It died in the 1970's! Hello, is anyone home? Nobody wants to hear Supper's Ready or The End nowadays. I joined this site thinking it would be a nice place to be nostalgic with others who enjoyed prog music. And I find idiots who DON'T think it's sad that Morrison was messed up and died???!!! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 14 2013 at 03:21
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Troll ... or something like that. This commotion was brought to you by ...  ... and ...  |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 14 2013 at 08:49
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Here's my two cents Jim had fun. He lived life to it's fullest, sometimes with total abandon. But he was also somewhat fragile, in a way, and something, maybe drugs, maybe all the fame, life in general, something tore him apart, and possibly killed him (we may never know). But most of all, he was a damned good lyricist and singer. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 14 2013 at 09:03
^^^Why would anyone deliberately censor their own sincere wish for everyone to f.u.c.k off (to spare our feelings and sensibilities?)
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 14 2013 at 17:36
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The guy is too nervous: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94007&PID=4797354#4797354" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94007&PID=4797354#4797354 . ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: FLAC
Date Posted: June 15 2013 at 06:08
| hello I love you woun't you tell me my name,not sure if prog but still an awesome song |
Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: June 21 2013 at 16:49
Riders On The Storm L'America The End  ------------- - Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats - |