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Topic: Canterbury Appreciation
Posted By: Stool Man
Subject: Canterbury Appreciation
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 18:13
I can't find a Canterbury Appreciation thread, apart from the old locked one
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46624&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46624&PN=1
Here's a new one then.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 18:31
The more I listen to it, the more I like it.

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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 18:35
So let's go with the Grey and Pink Caravan ! Smile
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 21:16
I appreciate Canterbury.

Actually the resurrection of that Hatfield thread made me spin The Rotters Club today.  Smile

I must shamefully admit I just don't like the first two Soft Machine albums.

Thanks for making this thread - I shall try and pop in regularly.


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 21:23
Padraic, sadly I also find it very hard to warm to the first two Soft Machine albums, I simply can't stand Robert Wyatt's flat weezy vocals, even though all the playing is top notch. I think I much prefer the album `Fifth' onwards, so I must warm more to the fusion side of S.Machine.

But there's endless other knockout Caterbury bands we can talk more highly about, no doubt!


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 21:26
I'm a huge fan !  Like Padriac i've listened to The Rotters Club recently and also the debut. Spun National Health's two studio albums as well of late.  Dave Stewart never ceases to amaze me.

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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 21:33
Heh, oh yeah, John, Dave Stewart is just the cats pajamas, eh?

Even though I don't like the (ooh, controversy here!) `schoolboy choir' vocals from the girls in some occasional moments on the first `Hatfield' album, that album is endlessly inventive and colourful, goes in so many directions! It's taken me so long to get my head around it, but these days I even have an `emergency' CD of it always in the glovebox of my car should I need a quick `hit'!


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 22:15
Yeah I'm a huge Dave Stewart fanboy.

That said, a highly recommended live album is "Playtime", when National Health finally got to do a mini-tour of the US, but after Stewart decided to leave.  So Alan Gowen agreed to join Greaves, Miller, and Pyle and the result is spectacular.  Every NH fan should pick this up.


Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 00:08
I've been listening to Gong like heroine.  I even got the Daevid Allen book about his time in the band.  Extremely entertaining if you like their music.  He really explains a lot about where all their crazy concepts in the Radio Gnome albums come from and how they (somewhat) fit together.

Plus there are pictures Smile


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 00:30
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Yeah I'm a huge Dave Stewart fanboy.

Same here Party !!!!!!!!!  Something about his sound and technique - his solos are out of this world and his choice of notes is bang-on.  We have Dave Sinclair, Mike Ratledge and Robert Jan Stips who also fuzz-box their organs (ahem Embarrassed) but Stewart is a master.  Space Shanty is possibly the best ever album I've heard.  I actually wish we'd get more of that fuzzy organ in today's modern Prog. 
Gotta love the Hopper/Gowen project 'Two Rainbows Daily'.  Pure bliss. I could go on for hours about Canterbury...............


Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 02:05
Hatfield
Health
Gilgamesh
Caravan
My faves. I don't like Soft machine much. Too pop in 60s and too jazz in the 70s. Prog rock is my style. Not pop, not jazz


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 03:08
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


I must shamefully admit I just don't like the first two Soft Machine albums.


No need to be ashamed, I don't like the first one either. 
Ermm I do like the second one, though.

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


a highly recommended live album is "Playtime", when National Health finally got to do a mini-tour of the US, but after Stewart decided to leave.  So Alan Gowen agreed to join Greaves, Miller, and Pyle and the result is spectacular.  Every NH fan should pick this up.


I'm a NH fan, I really like the three studio albums, but I haven't heard Playtime.
Is it the compositions or the playing that makes it so good?


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 08:11
Love me some Canterbury. Approve

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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 08:27
Love Caravan, National Health, Picchio dal Pozzo's first, some Robert Wyatt...
...don't really care much for the Soft Machine, Gong or Hatfield and the North I've heard. I find the cutesy, oddball goofiness and jazz levels need to be just right for me to enjoy the style.

A strange little sub-genre that I need to re-visit and explore further, especially some of the lesser bands.


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Posted By: Lord Jagged
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 08:52
Some excellent stuff, Khan, Gong and Caravan in particular. I have soft spot for Egg too.
 
Not hard boiled. Wink


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 08:55
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Padraic, sadly I also find it very hard to warm to the first two Soft Machine albums, I simply can't stand Robert Wyatt's flat weezy vocals, even though all the playing is top notch. I think I much prefer the album `Fifth' onwards, so I must warm more to the fusion side of S.Machine.

But there's endless other knockout Caterbury bands we can talk more highly about, no doubt!
 
If I may suggest, the way to appreciate Robert Wyatt, is by stopping to expect "music" in any of its forms and designs, and it is done on purpose ... and it has been so since the famous ABC that he dropped on a live concert! It was his big number 1 finger to the commerciality and locking down of music and its concepts!
 
If you don't like that individuality and ability that so many of the Canterbury folks play and enjoy goofing around with ... then, you are not a "Canterbury" fan, but an idealist that likes a couple of things, and thinks they are cool, and you are trying to justify them to yourself ... you really have no idea where it came from and where it was going ... take a hint and go back and read about it ... Wyatt, Syd, Ayres, Allen, Ginsburg, Burroughs, Smith ... all connected via the same house where many of them lived and goofed around ... but you have no idea what the literature scene was about, do you?
 
Syd was a sort of Magic Theater for a while that went sour and died a nasty overdose dream! The others got scared when Syd went down the tubes, Robert went down the drain ... and the other two were out right gay and simply scoring -- for their next books and words. Even weirder is that no one even realizes where steely dan came from! Which kinda tells you how disconnected people really are from the "source"! Better go read the book ... might learn something about Canterbury and folks! While at it read about the Magic Theater too!


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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 09:09
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:



Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Padraic, sadly I also find it very hard to warm to the first two Soft Machine albums, I simply can't stand Robert Wyatt's flat weezy vocals, even though all the playing is top notch. I think I much prefer the album `Fifth' onwards, so I must warm more to the fusion side of S.Machine.

But there's endless other knockout Caterbury bands we can talk more highly about, no doubt!

 
If I may suggest, the way to appreciate Robert Wyatt, is by stopping to expect "music" in any of its forms and designs, and it is done on purpose ... and it has been so since the famous ABC that he dropped on a live concert! It was his big number 1 finger to the commerciality and locking down of music and its concepts!
 
If you don't like that individuality and ability that so many of the Canterbury folks play and enjoy goofing around with ... then, you are not a "Canterbury" fan, but an idealist that likes a couple of things, and thinks they are cool, and you are trying to justify them to yourself ... you really have no idea where it came from and where it was going ... take a hint and go back and read about it ... Wyatt, Syd, Ayres, Allen, Ginsburg, Burroughs, Smith ... all connected via the same house where many of them lived and goofed around ... but you have no idea what the literature scene was about, do you?
 
Syd was a sort of Magic Theater for a while that went sour and died a nasty overdose dream! The others got scared when Syd went down the tubes, Robert went down the drain ... and the other two were out right gay and simply scoring -- for their next books and words. Even weirder is that no one even realizes where steely dan came from! Which kinda tells you how disconnected people really are from the "source"! Better go read the book ... might learn something about Canterbury and folks! While at it read about the Magic Theater too!



Hang on a second, Moshkito, no need to attack me and start pointing the finger, accusing me of what I do and don't know. All I ever said was that I don't like Robert Wyatt's pained flat VOICE, mainly on those first two Soft Machine albums. I've always preferred him for his musical ability than his voice, though I know plenty of others find his vocals hugely charming and charismatic, full of character.

As for for your accusations that I like `Canterbury' because I think it's `cool' to do so, well that's bulls**t on a stick, because I've never been under the delusions that ANY sort of prog is `cool', nor could I care if it were to be labelled that way or not.

Canterbury and prog have been a twenty year love for me through the variety, musicianship and passion of it's endless players and personalities.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 09:17
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

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As for for your accusations that I like `Canterbury' because I think it's `cool' to do so, well that's bulls**t on a stick, because I've never been under the delusions that ANY sort of prog is `cool', nor could I care if it were to be labelled that way or not.

Canterbury and prog have been a twenty year love for me through the variety, musicianship and passion of it's endless players and personalities.
 
No need to continue the discussion. Can you not see when you are being challenged to take a look at something, instead of reacting emotionally, to something that you did not understand?
 
This is not about me! It's about what you don't see. And I did not say you were blind, but I suggested that one make an effort to make better sense of that scene ... it's EVEN BETTER, IF YOU DO!


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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 09:20
All because I mentioned a personal opinion about a singer's voice I wasn't much of a fan of? That's some serious `reading between the lines' at a whole endless heap of things that weren't there....


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 09:46
Dave Stewart is also one of my favorite keyboardists.  My favorite Canterbury bands are Caravan, Supersister, Hatfield and the North (Richard Sinclair has to have one of the best voices in music), Egg, National Health and Soft Machine.  As for the Soft Machine discussion, I actually love their first three albums, and then though 4 and 5 were kind of dull, sort of jazz fusion by the numbers.  With 6 and the addition of Karl Jenkins, the band took off again and released 4 great albums in a row.  Although not as good, I also enjoyed Alive and Well in Paris and Land of Cockayne. 

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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 09:55
Doctor, I find Soft Machine's `Five' (or is it `Fifth', not at home to check my vinyl shelf lol!) really immersive and intoxicating! It's as bleak and gloomy as the black sparse front cover! It's a dear and unhappy friend of mine, and I always have a copy in the car for late-night trips!

A friend recently bought the 5 disc set of the Soft Machine's albums `Third' through to `Seven', and I keep telling him `Make sure you listen to `Five' at night, that's when it will make the most sense!'

Richard Sinclair must certainly have one of the most recogizable and distinctive voices in prog rock!


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 10:17
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

I find the cutesy, oddball goofiness and jazz levels need to be just right for me to enjoy the style.


 
I´m with you there. Some of the albums in "genre" are too jazz related for my tastes, but artists like Caravan, Khan, Robert wyatt and early Soft Machine are right down my alley. There´s something incredibly soothing about listening to albums by those artists yet still technically sophisticated enough to never fall into the background music catagory.


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Posted By: Chozal
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 11:29
I absolutely love Caravan's Live at the Fairfield Hall

Listened to the Softs' second album yesterday and was quite surprised at how good it sounded.

Apart from that ... I'd like to expand my Canterbury horizon :3 Rotters Club never left much of an impression on me.

Also I don't know if it already has been mentioned here but The Tangent is often dubbed as very influenced by the Canterbury scene (and he has a series of composition bearing this name). What do the experts say to that ? :3


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:01
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:


I'm a NH fan, I really like the three studio albums, but I haven't heard Playtime.
Is it the compositions or the playing that makes it so good?

The playing is off the charts.  The tracks are NH compositions not written by Stewart* and some Gowen compositions (I think "Flanagan's People" and the title track, for example, were composed by Gowen).

* Story is that people at the shows were shouting for "Tenemos Roads" and I think the guys in the band were getting a little annoyed by it.  LOL


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:21
My favorites are Hatfield, National Health, Gong, Caravan, Gilgamesh, Matching Mole, Soft Machine, Supersister, COS.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:37
I love just about every act mentioned in this thread, and I would like to add another two acts that I absolutely adore:

Even if none of the above are from England, let alone Canterbury, they still have that distinct quirkiness, whimsical yet melodic nature about them, which I have come to cherish so.


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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:49
I eat that too Tongue
 


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:54
So you basically just feed yourself then eh Pierre? I gather bird restaurants can get pretty crowded...

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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:58


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:10
What a good idea, Robert, to produce this !
 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:24
The music is brilliant though. I really dig the album, and find the 'concept' behind approaching that of kitsch. Gotta laugh at that cover art tooLOL

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:38
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:


Richard Sinclair must certainly have one of the most recogizable and distinctive voices in prog rock!
Yes, in fact I remember waaaay back in time, I was in a small used record store and heard Richard Sinclair's unmistakable voice.  I was familiar with him through his 2 albums with Camel, but that's it.   Turns out the guy was spinning "In the Land of Grey and Pink" on the store's turntable.  That was the first I ever heard of Caravan, and long before I even was aware of a "Canterbury scene" or any of the other bands.  But it probably provided that seed crystal that eventually got me into that kind of music.

The more immediate catalyst came several years later, when perusing the liner notes of Camel's "Snow Goose" CD, where it mentioned Caravan and Soft Machine and some others.  It's easy to forget now that back then, it was hard to find a lot of this stuff.  No mail order, no internet, just some vague references to interesting sounding bands in liner notes.  The only way I got the Camel CD was through a trip to Tower Records while in NYC.  I don't even think Caravan had been released on CD yet at that point.  But I found a used vinyl copy (probably paid a lot for it, too) of "In the Land of Grey and Pink" and "Soft Machine Fourth", and that started me off on a strong foot.

What was I talking about. Canterbury.  Right.  I appreciate it.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:50
That last line is what they refer to as 'mental arthritis' - better known as Grandpa Simpson syndrome LOL

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:51
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I love just about every act mentioned in this thread, and I would like to add another two acts that I absolutely adore:
 

Even if none of the above are from England, let alone Canterbury, they still have that distinct quirkiness, whimsical yet melodic nature about them, which I have come to cherish so.
 
I love this one too. Great album...


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:53
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

That last line is what they refer to as 'mental arthritis' - better known as Grandpa Simpson syndrome LOL
Yeah.

My favorite Abe Simpson quote:

Bart: Grampa, Matlock's not real.

Grampa: Neither are my teeth, but I can still eat corn on the cob, if someone cuts it off and smushes it into a fine paste. Now that's good eatin'!

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:54
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I love just about every act mentioned in this thread, and I would like to add another two acts that I absolutely adore:
 

Even if none of the above are from England, let alone Canterbury, they still have that distinct quirkiness, whimsical yet melodic nature about them, which I have come to cherish so.
 
I love this one too. Great album...


Hi Jonas!
Nice to see you round this place. 

Back to the music: the only thing about that album though, is that I would've liked to hear more of what they were trying to do with the opening cut. That psychedelic opening is my fave off of it.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:07
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:


I'm a NH fan, I really like the three studio albums, but I haven't heard Playtime.
Is it the compositions or the playing that makes it so good?

The playing is off the charts.  The tracks are NH compositions not written by Stewart* and some Gowen compositions (I think "Flanagan's People" and the title track, for example, were composed by Gowen).

* Story is that people at the shows were shouting for "Tenemos Roads" and I think the guys in the band were getting a little annoyed by it.  LOL

LOL

Well, I definitely need to check it out. 
Gowen is a good composer too, that makes it also interesting.
I'm also happy with my Missing Pieces cd, BTW


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:27
Canterbury thread dwellers, I'm on nightshift at the moment, and I've been going for an hour walk every morning to get a bit fitter, and this has been my Ipod soundtrack of choice:

Egg - The Civil Service:


Opinions on this one?


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:39
I've never gotten the hang of Egg, sadly.  Something's missing, and I don't know what.  Been a while since I listened though.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:41
You prefer the chicken so to speak?

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:42
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

You prefer the chicken so to speak?
That's not a nice name to call John Greaves.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:45
It's more the flavour of him though...

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:48
Say, this might be good for this thread.  It's a letter dated February 1991 I received from Dave Stewart, in reply to a fan letter my friend Rob and I sent him upon the CD release of "National Health Complete", one of the greatest prog collections I'd heard to that point.  Thankfully I've kept the letter in good condition.




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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:49
Here's page 2:




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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:51
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Canterbury thread dwellers, I'm on nightshift at the moment, and I've been going for an hour walk every morning to get a bit fitter, and this has been my Ipod soundtrack of choice:

Egg - The Civil Service:


Opinions on this one?


The three longer pieces are great.

I suppose I am biased (as a drummer who loves percussions) but I would have loved at least one of the Wind Quartets to have some drumming on it. Not to say they are uninteresting as is, just kinda breaks the mood of the album to my ears.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:54
Oh my word!!!!!

ClapClapClapClap

Made my day, thanks Steve.


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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 15:25
                                PASCALE SON
 


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 15:28
Hell yes Pierre! I love COS. Perhaps one of my favourite Belgian acts. Apart from the vocals of Pascal Son, I find myself increasingly drawn towards the percussion side of things. I love all the clever bongos and such, and it's almost omnipresent in their output.

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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 15:42
Yeah. And Marc Hollander too. A few years ago, I wrote the lyrics for the project of a friend musician. Marc Hollander loved it and we almost signed on his label Crammed discs. Almost ...Unhappy


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 15:53
Cool story man. I didn't know you wrote. 




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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 16:13


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 16:50
Steve, what an honour to receive that letter from Mr Stewart! And might I say, Dave's handwriting is beautiful!

I especially noticed that, because I recently discovered that my handwritng has really gone to s**t, so I appreciate good hand-writing skills!

Pierre!! Where do you find all these pictures?! You literally have one for every single occasion, no matter how obscure! I'm beginning to wonder if you draw/photograph all these yourself when the need arises! I was especially impressed with your recent `In The Duck of Grey and Pink' efforts lol!


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:06
Don't be surprised, Michael, this is real life ! Love and Music are concrete. The rest is illusion.
 
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:12
Oh, so now you control the natural elements as well, Pierre?!



Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:16
Big smile


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:19
The best of white jazz.
 
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:20
Man With Hat/Phil,

Is it just me, or does that `Civil Service' album seem to have some wildly inconsistent drum/percussion mixing?! Some sections it's spot on, the next they swamp every other instrument!

Still a nice pleasant album, plenty for Canterbury fans to enjoy on it


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:23
Pierre!! I listened to that only two hours ago, just before I finished work lol!   

It took me a long time to appreciate that one, it seemed so fragmented and unfocused on the first few plays! I think when I first got it was I expecting it to sound like Caravan, but it turned out to be much more involved, experimental and complex! A wonderful album, a Canterbury classic!


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:29
Yeah, much more complex, but not intellectual and arid. These guys have included real jazzzzzz.


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:37
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Steve, what an honour to receive that letter from Mr Stewart! And might I say, Dave's handwriting is beautiful!
 
Oh yeah, Dave has the best penmanship in prog, hands down.  That letter is frameable.

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:38
Duck! A cloud!

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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 20:34


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 21:49
I'm a huge Canterbury fan also.............I think I have just about everything mentioned so far in this thread.....but my favorites are Hatfield followed by Caravan, Egg, National Health, Supersister, Soft Machine, COS, Gong.
I recently 'discovered' Amoeba Split and Antique Seeking Nuns/Sanguine Hum.....which Canterbury fans should like.
I'm also really love Space Shanty by Khan...which often gets lumped into the same scene due to Hillage's presence.
 
Thoughts on that old fossil.... Arzachel...?
Cool
 
 


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 22:26
Canterbury is a fantastic genre - really consistent and upbeat.




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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 22:30
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Canterbury thread dwellers, I'm on nightshift at the moment, and I've been going for an hour walk every morning to get a bit fitter, and this has been my Ipod soundtrack of choice:

Egg - The Civil Service:


Opinions on this one?

Interesting album, the debut is by far my favorite of theirs. This one and The Polite Force have never really done anything for me. Though I suppose that could change, I'll give Civil a listen tomorrow.


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 23:14
It's five o clock in the moning and i'm listenning to this, just after the second Egg album. No Canterbury at all. Kind of complex pop with a jazz feeling, close to Steely Dan. But some may like that obscure album from 1977.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StH_tjCczk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StH_tjCczk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZt7ggnuL4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZt7ggnuL4
 
 


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 02:05
Dr Wu23 - I don't mind the Arzachel album, but it's certainly no classic. A little tedious, and the rough recording quality doesn't help. I know there's others on here who appreciate it more than me, but it really doesn't hold my attention for long. Too many other more exciting Canterbury related albums to listen to!

But it's more interesting as a curio for musicians who went on to much more interesting things. In my opinion, 3 out of 5 stars on the Archives ratings system would be being very generous for it!


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 02:18
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Man With Hat/Phil,

Is it just me, or does that `Civil Service' album seem to have some wildly inconsistent drum/percussion mixing?! Some sections it's spot on, the next they swamp every other instrument!

Still a nice pleasant album, plenty for Canterbury fans to enjoy on it
 
It is a bit yes. I want to say I read somewhere (either liner notes or perhaps on another forum) that Clive wasn't happy with the sound and constantly wanted the volume of the drums to be louder and louder and louder, with each time he listened to the (then) current mix. So my guess would help explain the matter.
 
 
And absolutely. Ennegram is a canterbury (and prog) classic, any way you slice it.


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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 02:35
The cow named Henry, in the garden at night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfpq11-sRVQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfpq11-sRVQ
 
 
 


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 03:21
Originally posted by bytor2112 bytor2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Canterbury thread dwellers, I'm on nightshift at the moment, and I've been going for an hour walk every morning to get a bit fitter, and this has been my Ipod soundtrack of choice:

Egg - The Civil Service:


Opinions on this one?

Interesting album, the debut is by far my favorite of theirs. This one and The Polite Force have never really done anything for me. Though I suppose that could change, I'll give Civil a listen tomorrow.

It hasn't done much for me either. I'm a big fan of The Polite Force, though. I haven't heard the debut yet, but I'm planning to buy it.


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 03:32
For me, the second one is the best.


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 04:55
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Canterbury thread dwellers, I'm on nightshift at the moment, and I've been going for an hour walk every morning to get a bit fitter, and this has been my Ipod soundtrack of choice:

Egg - The Civil Service:


Opinions on this one?

Ahh. One of the first full-on prog albums that I heard, which was introduced to me by a family friend. Its weirdness left an impression on me and then after some time Egg became one of my favourite groups. Not quite as keen on Egg as I once was (I have had a decent amount of time of not listening to them, so maybe it's time to delve into Egg again), but all of their albums are good. 


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 07:56
Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

The cow named Henry, in the garden at night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfpq11-sRVQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfpq11-sRVQ
 Bah !! Concerts..................side one is brilliant, and Ruins.  The rest is *very* difficult.
 
 


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 08:03
Egg have 3 albums which are, for me, all excellent (if not bang-on perfection).  A Visit To Newport Hospital probably stands out as a fond fave, and Wring Out The Ground (Loosely Now) features one of my top-5 Stewart solos.
BTW - did anyone here ever get into the Dave S / Barbara G material ??  The 'b-side' to 'It's My Party' has a great track called 'Waiting In The Wings' - a super example of Prog-Pop if there ever was one.  Many great tunes to be enjoyed - mainly the Stewart-penned originals, but their covers are fun, too.
 


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 08:56
Tom, think we've discussed before that I thought the first Egg album is very good, only the vocals let it down in some parts. A bit flat to my ears and detract a bit too much for me. Still, good album!

What's the name of that `experimental' piece on `The Polite Force'?! The third track, I mean! Oh, I think that's a total waste of time, pure filler nonsense! Wish they'd just let it off the album altogether, the rest on it's own would have made it almost faultless!

And yes, I think the vocals are a big improvement on the second album!


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:00
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Tom, think we've discussed before that I thought the first Egg album is very good, only the vocals let it down in some parts. A bit flat to my ears and detract a bit too much for me. Still, good album!

What's the name of that `experimental' piece on `The Polite Force'?! The third track, I mean! Oh, I think that's a total waste of time, pure filler nonsense! Wish they'd just let it off the album altogether, the rest on it's own would have made it almost faultless!

And yes, I think the vocals are a big improvement on the second album!
BOILK !!!  Mellotron madness, avant-garde noodling, and a Bach rendition on the organ to wrap it up.  I appreciate it.


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:10
I think `Boilk' is worth listening to once! After that - SKIP lol!

Just listening to the first Egg album at work right now, and you really notice how much vibrant, fuller and more clear the production is on `The Police Force' by comparison!


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:46
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Egg have 3 albums which are, for me, all excellent (if not bang-on perfection).  A Visit To Newport Hospital probably stands out as a fond fave, and Wring Out The Ground (Loosely Now) features one of my top-5 Stewart solos.
BTW - did anyone here ever get into the Dave S / Barbara G material ??  The 'b-side' to 'It's My Party' has a great track called 'Waiting In The Wings' - a super example of Prog-Pop if there ever was one.  Many great tunes to be enjoyed - mainly the Stewart-penned originals, but their covers are fun, too.
 

I love A Visit To Newport Hospital.
As for Stewart / Gaskin: I like It's My Party, and I did wonder if there was anything else worth listening to.
So the Stewart - songs are even better? Sounds interesting.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:48
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Tom, think we've discussed before that I thought the first Egg album is very good, only the vocals let it down in some parts. A bit flat to my ears and detract a bit too much for me. Still, good album!

What's the name of that `experimental' piece on `The Polite Force'?! The third track, I mean! Oh, I think that's a total waste of time, pure filler nonsense! Wish they'd just let it off the album altogether, the rest on it's own would have made it almost faultless!

And yes, I think the vocals are a big improvement on the second album!
BOILK !!!  Mellotron madness, avant-garde noodling, and a Bach rendition on the organ to wrap it up.  I appreciate it.

I still have to learn to appreciate it. I love the rest of the album, though.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:52
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Dr Wu23 - I don't mind the Arzachel album, but it's certainly no classic. A little tedious, and the rough recording quality doesn't help. I know there's others on here who appreciate it more than me, but it really doesn't hold my attention for long. Too many other more exciting Canterbury related albums to listen to!

But it's more interesting as a curio for musicians who went on to much more interesting things. In my opinion, 3 out of 5 stars on the Archives ratings system would be being very generous for it!
 
I agree..just wondered how many here bothered to buy it. It is indeed a curio.
Had a friend who's into psych rock who used to rave about it.
 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:55
Anymore suggestions for 'modern' Canterbury bands...?
I'm hopeful Amoeba Split will release another one.


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:57
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Egg have 3 albums which are, for me, all excellent (if not bang-on perfection).  A Visit To Newport Hospital probably stands out as a fond fave, and Wring Out The Ground (Loosely Now) features one of my top-5 Stewart solos.
BTW - did anyone here ever get into the Dave S / Barbara G material ??  The 'b-side' to 'It's My Party' has a great track called 'Waiting In The Wings' - a super example of Prog-Pop if there ever was one.  Many great tunes to be enjoyed - mainly the Stewart-penned originals, but their covers are fun, too.
 

I love A Visit To Newport Hospital.
As for Stewart / Gaskin: I like It's My Party, and I did wonder if there was anything else worth listening to.
So the Stewart - songs are even better? Sounds interesting?
Well, I have a bunch of DaveBarb 7" singles, some 12" maxi's, an LP and some 4 track clear vinyl promo from 'Up From The Dark'.  Select tracks have Stewart's special touch, not so much 'Canterburian', but the arrangements are tasteful, and he always throws in some choice keyboard solo, sometimes cheezy, sometimes magic.  The dreamy vocals of Gaskin just works wonders too.  Off the top of my head, some tracks which spring to mind - Lenena Crowe, Rich For A Day, The World Spins So Slow, Make Me Promises.  I dunno how 'serious' the pair were with this 80's 'adult-pop' direction, but I always find some quirky elements which suggests it was done in the genuine spirit of fun.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:01
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Anymore suggestions for 'modern' Canterbury bands...?
I'm hopeful Amoeba Split will release another one.
I was hoping for more from the Amoeba Split album...........at least the keyboardist could've run his Hammond through a fuzz-box LOL...............


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 10:19
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Oh my word!!!!!

ClapClapClapClap

Made my day, thanks Steve.

That letter was awesome!  Thanks for "sharing it".  Wink


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 13:13
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Tom, think we've discussed before that I thought the first Egg album is very good, only the vocals let it down in some parts. A bit flat to my ears and detract a bit too much for me. Still, good album! What's the name of that `experimental' piece on `The Polite Force'?! The third track, I mean! Oh, I think that's a total waste of time, pure filler nonsense! Wish they'd just let it off the album altogether, the rest on it's own would have made it almost faultless! And yes, I think the vocals are a big improvement on the second album!
BOILK !!!  Mellotron madness, avant-garde noodling, and a Bach rendition on the organ to wrap it up.  I appreciate it.


Boilk is my favorite thing on TPF.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 17:25
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Egg have 3 albums which are, for me, all excellent (if not bang-on perfection).  A Visit To Newport Hospital probably stands out as a fond fave, and Wring Out The Ground (Loosely Now) features one of my top-5 Stewart solos.
BTW - did anyone here ever get into the Dave S / Barbara G material ??  The 'b-side' to 'It's My Party' has a great track called 'Waiting In The Wings' - a super example of Prog-Pop if there ever was one.  Many great tunes to be enjoyed - mainly the Stewart-penned originals, but their covers are fun, too.
 

I love A Visit To Newport Hospital.
As for Stewart / Gaskin: I like It's My Party, and I did wonder if there was anything else worth listening to.
So the Stewart - songs are even better? Sounds interesting?
Well, I have a bunch of DaveBarb 7" singles, some 12" maxi's, an LP and some 4 track clear vinyl promo from 'Up From The Dark'.  Select tracks have Stewart's special touch, not so much 'Canterburian', but the arrangements are tasteful, and he always throws in some choice keyboard solo, sometimes cheezy, sometimes magic.  The dreamy vocals of Gaskin just works wonders too.  Off the top of my head, some tracks which spring to mind - Lenena Crowe, Rich For A Day, The World Spins So Slow, Make Me Promises.  I dunno how 'serious' the pair were with this 80's 'adult-pop' direction, but I always find some quirky elements which suggests it was done in the genuine spirit of fun.
 
Well, I need to give them a try, I think, Dave & Barb.


Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 17:44
Don't really know much about the Canterbury genre aside from the fact that Caravan blow me away - the New Symphonia album is fantastic. What I'd like to know is whether the Caravan tracks on that album - For Richard and The Love in your eye are representative of the Canterbury style as those two tracks have remained very strongly with me since the release of that album?


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:01
Originally posted by sukmytoe sukmytoe wrote:

Don't really know much about the Canterbury genre aside from the fact that Caravan blow me away - the New Symphonia album is fantastic. What I'd like to know is whether the Caravan tracks on that album - For Richard and The Love in your eye are representative of the Canterbury style as those two tracks have remained very strongly with me since the release of that album?
Two classic Canterbury tracks right there, my friend Big smile.  Worth seeking out the albums they are from (If I Could Do It All Over Again................ & Waterloo Lily).  And the New Symphonia album is quite superb.  Just listened to it the other evening.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:07
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:



Boilk is my favorite thing on TPF.
Yes, but you don't dig Chicago '16' LOLLOL.............
Nah, Boilk is more than a worthy track for sure.


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:15
PAZOP : Psychillis of a lunatic genius (1972)
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1FV_R7TIM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1FV_R7TIM


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:26
LOTUS (1974). Sweedish Camel ?
An obscure group from 1974, Sweden's Lotus is a very fine instrumental quintet featuring two guitarists, organ, piano, bass and drums. Their debut album is everything that makes Nordic progressive music special. There's a unique charm contained within the melodies that are distinctly Swedish and recall bands such as Trettioariga Kriget, Kebnekaise, Autumn Breeze and Kultivator.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy3TRvHuvU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy3TRvHuvU
 


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:31
Darryl Way's Wolf - Canis Lupus(1973)
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkq_Qb8onc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkq_Qb8onc


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 20:14
Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:



LOTUS (1974). Sweedish Camel ?
An obscure group from 1974, Sweden's Lotus is a very fine instrumental quintet
featuring two guitarists, organ, piano, bass and drums. Their debut album is
everything that makes Nordic progressive music special. There's a unique charm
contained within the melodies that are distinctly Swedish and recall bands such
as Trettioariga Kriget, Kebnekaise, Autumn Breeze and Kultivator.
Good one, Pierre. They remind me a bit of Finnforest too.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 21:55
Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

LOTUS (1974). Sweedish Camel ?
An obscure group from 1974, Sweden's Lotus is a very fine instrumental quintet featuring two guitarists, organ, piano, bass and drums. Their debut album is everything that makes Nordic progressive music special. There's a unique charm contained within the melodies that are distinctly Swedish and recall bands such as Trettioariga Kriget, Kebnekaise, Autumn Breeze and Kultivator.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy3TRvHuvU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy3TRvHuvU
 
 
Thanks for that.... a new one for me and really nice mellow music.
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 22:01
Thanks guys.


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 04:08
Dr Wu23, you asked for some modern Canterbury suggestions?

Can't go better than Italy's `Moogg', who put their debut album out last year (or was it late 2011?):

Moogg - Le Ore I Giorni Gli Anni:


Moogg - Classe 21:


Hope you guys enjoy! I posted a rave review for it on the Archives a while back too. Always happy to spread the love of that album!

Sorry, Pierre, I know I've posted these videos several times in the Den!


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 09:12
Thanks Aussie..............I love that Canterbury sound. Now I have two new bands to check out.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 09:25
Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

LOTUS (1974). Sweedish Camel ?
An obscure group from 1974, Sweden's Lotus is a very fine instrumental quintet featuring two guitarists, organ, piano, bass and drums. Their debut album is everything that makes Nordic progressive music special. There's a unique charm contained within the melodies that are distinctly Swedish and recall bands such as Trettioariga Kriget, Kebnekaise, Autumn Breeze and Kultivator.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy3TRvHuvU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy3TRvHuvU
 


i have this one Pierre - as well as the follow upBig smile 
On vinyl no lessCool


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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 11:17
If I could afford tickets, tonight I could go and see Marshall Allen and Daevid Allen playing a gig together! 
This could be the start of a cosmic new band called something like Gong Arkestra.  If only.


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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:43
Germany, 1972. I hear Canterbury there. But maybe it's just me Embarrassed
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcsaic08DI8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcsaic08DI8
 



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