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Topic: Vangelis' "Blade Runner"Posted By: jude111
Subject: Vangelis' "Blade Runner"
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 20:11
These are the tracks from the 2-disc version. The "other" button is for any key track that's your favorite that's yet to be included on any official release, the most significant of which includes the Prologue (also called Eye on the City), Spinner Ascent, Deckard Meets Rachael, Morning at the Bradbury, Bicycle Riders....
If you only have the 1 disc version, ignore the other tracks - the best are on the first disc for the most part.
Replies: Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 20:46
Whoa, ... two-disc version? I don't have that.
Now if you limited it to just the one-disc version, it would be easily (though originally it wasn't that easy) "Blade Runner Blues", the heaven a human mind doesn't deserve.
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 20:52
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Whoa, ... two-disc version? I don't have that.
Now if you limited it to just the one-disc version, it would be easily (though originally it wasn't that easy) "Blade Runner Blues", the heaven a human mind doesn't deserve.
There's actually a 3-disc version , but the 3rd disc is largely new music by Vangelis, and it's not really close to the Blade Runner sound. The 2nd disc is largely very mellow, most of it incidental music. What's missing (besides some great tracks) are some of the cool sound effects from the film, like that blimp with the Japanese woman, and that advert that goes something like, "A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies, the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure..."
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 21:53
"Memories of Green" and "Blade Runner (End Titles)" are the tunes I identify with most from the movies.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 22:19
Don't have the two disc version. Need the two disc version, or rather the three disc version. Yeah. Blade Runner Blues just beats out Main Titles for me.
------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 23:36
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 23:57
^ Man, ... I already have one disc! ... Eh ... . Whatever. ... Guess I'll just have to purchase the three-disc one ... some time in the future.
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 07:57
I have still never heard this soundtrack nor seen the movie. I should get on it soon.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 08:10
I could have gone with any number of these songs - Memories of Green, Blush Response, Wait for Me, Love Theme, and Blade Runner Blues (which I went with). The opening on the ROIO Esper Edition is just perfection itself (which is pretty much the opening of the film itself - I don't care for the official version's opening), and the ending on the official version is just as perfect, with the End Titles and Tears in Rain.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 08:22
HolyMoly wrote:
I have still never heard this soundtrack nor seen the movie. I should get on it soon.
Having been raised by a father who has been involved with film making ever since he was a wee lad, I may have been contaminated from the get-go, so reading a post like yours feels strangely perplexing... It's the same sort of thing I experienced talking to a newish friend of mine, who had never seen Indiana Jones (Again with the Harrison Ford...)
Anyways - I think you should see the flick before checking out the soundtrack on its own.
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- Douglas Adams
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 11:29
^^^Beware, that's actually performed by Edgar Rothermich, who studied Vangelis' score and recorded what he and the label felt was a close replica of the score.
I have the 3CD version because I love this score and I concur, the 3rd disc of "new" music was disappointing. Not appalling, it's just not worth returning to after an initial listen. The other 2 CDs are worth the price of admission, however.
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 11:45
Guldbamsen wrote:
Anyways - I think you should see the flick before checking out the soundtrack on its own.
I agree; I can't even imagine the one without the other. That perfect marriage between film and music (as was 2001: A Space Odyssey). Strange that I find the 80s to be a dreadful decade for film, yet one of my all-time favorites comes from this time. (Otherwise, give me the late 60s and 70s: Bunuel, Rivette, Chabrol...) (Or the 90s to the present, for genre films like horror and sci-fi.) Oh, another all-time 80s favorite: Diva. Great music in that one too!
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 12:42
HolyMoly wrote:
I have still never heard this soundtrack nor seen the movie. I should get on it soon.
Guldbamsen wrote:
Anyways - I think you should see the flick before checking out the soundtrack on its own.
Strongly seconded.
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 14:18
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Strongly seconded.
You mean thirded
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 14:33
Dayvenkirq wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
I have still never heard this soundtrack nor seen the movie. I should get on it soon.
What's the significance of the picture of the guy from The Office? Or is it just his expression of "did I really just hear that?"
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 16:54
I like "Blush Response", "Wait For Me" and "Memories of Green" the most. "Love Theme" is also great. And "End Titles". Haven't heard the second disc.
Great movie, much because of the evocative music.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2013 at 20:51
Hi,
Roy's last lines ... is exactly how I feel about a lot of music that is not remembered and understood, or worse, ever heard!
It is my number one movie of all time, and the fact that it has Vangelis, and so beautifully integrated into the film is what it is all about for me. One of the best films ever made!
There is one other theme, that is personal to me, but only I can make sense of that for you folks. That film is an anti 1984 and an anti-establishment thing ... that is very important to me ... and not how they consider "their product" (the owl and the girl) the perfect result of their work ... whereas Roy and the rest ... were considered failures and not worthy ... and had to fight for their lives. That would suggest the society failed ... but they will never admit it! And neither would a populist board and place!
And Roy's last lines, are what we should fear the most about "progressive" and "prog" ... and then we can ask ourselves ... how much do we care? ... I will tell you a lot, and you know it in my responses! I already feel like crying, as I did with the ending of the film "Woodstock", because I knew one man was trying to elevate the music, and no one cared ... all you saw was ... trash! To me, that hurts even more ... that we dismiss out own spirit so easily ... and recklessly! For ideals that do not exist, on top of it, instead of reality!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 22 2013 at 20:52
^ Verbatim.
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 22 2013 at 20:53
HolyMoly wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
I have still never heard this soundtrack nor seen the movie. I should get on it soon.
What's the significance of the picture of the guy from The Office? Or is it just his expression of "did I really just hear that?"
... Yes, the latter.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 04:43
Damask Rose features some nice 'warbling' from Demis Rousos reminding me of Aphrodites Child so I vote for that. End Titles is also great.
Although not relevant my favourite Vangelis soundtrack music is on The Bounty some of which can be found stretched across both Themes compilations.
btw I share Moshkito's view on the film. My favourite as well!
EDIt - got my tracks mixed up , meant to vote for Tales Of The Future as that's the one with Rousos not Damask Rose
Posted By: King Only
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 11:24
There's a guy on Youtube called mik300z who does really good Vangelis inspired tunes, he's managed to replicate that early 80s Studio Nemo sound:
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 23 2013 at 11:30
Yes, I've seen these. In the absence of Vangelis ever playing the Blade Runner tracks live, I guess this is the next best thing ;-)
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 02:14
Blade Runner Blues is THE masterpiece.
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 03:55
^ What he said.
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 03:59
richardh wrote:
EDIt - got my tracks mixed up , meant to vote for Tales Of The Future as that's the one with Rousos not Damask Rose
Hey, I tend to mix them up too ... to this day. Arguably my most favorite album ever, and I can't even tell the difference between the two! Shame on me.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 06:10
I'm not even sure I remember the tracks independently from each other
I've always loved the movie with music and all, but on its own I find the soundtrack rather tame........................................................... yeah so shoot me why don't ya
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 10:29
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Whoa, ... two-disc version? I don't have that.
there's also the three-disc version which deserves some bucks methinks
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 12:23
^
jude111 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Whoa, ... two-disc version? I don't have that.
Now if you limited it to just the one-disc version, it would be easily (though originally it wasn't that easy) "Blade Runner Blues", the heaven a human mind doesn't deserve.
There's actually a 3-disc version , but the 3rd disc is largely new music by Vangelis, and it's not really close to the Blade Runner sound. The 2nd disc is largely very mellow, most of it incidental music. What's missing (besides some great tracks) are some of the cool sound effects from the film, like that blimp with the Japanese woman, and that advert that goes something like, "A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies, the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure...".
Posted By: Guitar Noir
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 17:44
Blade Runner contains some of my favorite music ever!
------------- "Sometimes the afterglow isn't enough and we have to move on." Steve Hackett
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 14:17
jude111 wrote:
Yes, I've seen these. In the absence of Vangelis ever playing the Blade Runner tracks live, I guess this is the next best thing ;-)
Vangelis has stated, more than once, that the main reason why he does not do things live is because he is too much of a free form person, and he always wants to do something else, which is an issue when you are doing a concert and you can't stray from the paths that the prescribed pieces already have!
There is also another issue ... he plays too many instruments when he composes these things and it is too hard to transcribe them all and have someone else play them. It would be better if someone else did, and he just sat there and watched!
And of course, we will miss the teaspoons that he plays on every album that make his work ... progressive! Though PA might not exactly agree!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 14:19
moshkito wrote:
jude111 wrote:
Yes, I've seen these. In the absence of Vangelis ever playing the Blade Runner tracks live, I guess this is the next best thing ;-)
Vangelis has stated, more than once, that the main reason why he does not do things live is because he is too much of a free form person, and he always wants to do something else, which is an issue when you are doing a concert and you can't stray from the paths that the prescribed pieces already have!
There is also another issue ... he plays too many instruments when he composes these things and it is too hard to transcribe them all and have someone else play them. It would be better if someone else did, and he just sat there and watched!
And of course, we will miss the teaspoons that he plays on every album that make his work ... progressive! Though PA might not exactly agree!
The last time I've seen him live he played a 65 minutes medley of what came to his mind...
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 14:22
octopus-4 wrote:
The last time I've seen him live he played a 65 minutes medley of what came to his mind...
I wouldn't be interested in seeing that. I'd much prefer if he put together a band (saxophonist, vocalists, bassist, whatever else needed) and performed Blade Runner. He's had 30 years to do it, and missed the boat utterly and completely.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 03 2013 at 02:13
Some interesting info on Nemo studios (and probably demonstrates how that classic Vangelis sound will never be recreated)
Posted By: MustardSea
Date Posted: June 03 2013 at 11:42
Rachel's Song it is for me - such a beautiful and atmospheric piece of music (the whole soundtrack is, really). Also, I have the normal one disc CD version but found a kind of bootlegged version called the "Esper Edition" of this soundtrack on the internet which adds a few pieces of music that didn't make it on the CD version but where in the movie, complete with dialogue sequences and this is the version I listen to most - it just transports the whole atmosphere of the movie so well!
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 03 2013 at 11:47
One question to everybody....an old one....is it progressive enough or related only ?
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 04 2013 at 01:12
^ For the most part it's just related. I mean, it's mostly electronic New Age with some proficient keyboard work on tracks like "Memories of Green" and some superb atmospheric jazzy parts on tracks like "Wait for Me" and "Blade Runner Blues". * Prog or not, it's a masterwork in its own right.
* You get some diversity for a good measure (it's New Age) on "Damask Rose" and "Tales of the Future" and some classic retro pop on "One More Kiss Dear".
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 14:40
jude111 wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
The last time I've seen him live he played a 65 minutes medley of what came to his mind...
I wouldn't be interested in seeing that. I'd much prefer if he put together a band (saxophonist, vocalists, bassist, whatever else needed) and performed Blade Runner. He's had 30 years to do it, and missed the boat utterly and completely.
Ohhhh yes you would ... the stuff he did with Neuronium that showed up on a CD was awesome!
But why are you wanting him to do what you want ... not what he wants? He is Vangelis, not you!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 14:54
octopus-4 wrote:
One question to everybody....an old one....is it progressive enough or related only ?
This is a hard question, specially in a place like this ... but a valuable one, that has a tendency to break things up, instead of bringing them together.
The music itself, is not going to go very far. One small little piece with one of his friends, is not either, which would tend to fit into an area called "experimental", which was the best description of "666" 40 years ago! Musically, it was more "cultural" than it was "creative". Same thing for their earlier albums!
The film presentation, and its state of the art cutting and story line, and its directing, was magnificent. The use of the music, was even better, by a director whose history was ... using the music well ... check that ... very well! So using Vangelis, he knew that he was going to have with him one of the best, and the story was literary enough that someone like Vangelis would devote time and space to it! And he did!
Disn't win the Oscar for it, though! The studio did not push it, and there were some fights about the movie at the time, and its versions, which likely did not help!
Not progressive. But magnificent film making and film with an excellent cast of everything!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 15:08
let the discussion continue...
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 20 2013 at 01:44
moshkito wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
One question to everybody....an old one....is it progressive enough or related only ?
This is a hard question, specially in a place like this ... but a valuable one, that has a tendency to break things up, instead of bringing them together.
The music itself, is not going to go very far. One small little piece with one of his friends, is not either, which would tend to fit into an area called "experimental", which was the best description of "666" 40 years ago! Musically, it was more "cultural" than it was "creative". Same thing for their earlier albums!
The film presentation, and its state of the art cutting and story line, and its directing, was magnificent. The use of the music, was even better, by a director whose history was ... using the music well ... check that ... very well! So using Vangelis, he knew that he was going to have with him one of the best, and the story was literary enough that someone like Vangelis would devote time and space to it! And he did!
Disn't win the Oscar for it, though! The studio did not push it, and there were some fights about the movie at the time, and its versions, which likely did not help!
Not progressive. But magnificent film making and film with an excellent cast of everything!
a measure I think of how good it was is that Ridley Scott's sci-fi follow up was only released last year (and needless to say nowhere near as good)
I sincerely hope there is no Blade Runner sequel as previously mentioned and please don't let that guy who did the awfull new version of Total Recall loose on it
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 20 2013 at 02:10
richardh wrote:
moshkito wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
One question to everybody....an old one....is it progressive enough or related only ?
This is a hard question, specially in a place like this ... but a valuable one, that has a tendency to break things up, instead of bringing them together.
The music itself, is not going to go very far. One small little piece with one of his friends, is not either, which would tend to fit into an area called "experimental", which was the best description of "666" 40 years ago! Musically, it was more "cultural" than it was "creative". Same thing for their earlier albums!
The film presentation, and its state of the art cutting and story line, and its directing, was magnificent. The use of the music, was even better, by a director whose history was ... using the music well ... check that ... very well! So using Vangelis, he knew that he was going to have with him one of the best, and the story was literary enough that someone like Vangelis would devote time and space to it! And he did!
Disn't win the Oscar for it, though! The studio did not push it, and there were some fights about the movie at the time, and its versions, which likely did not help!
Not progressive. But magnificent film making and film with an excellent cast of everything!
a measure I think of how good it was is that Ridley Scott's sci-fi follow up was only released last year (and needless to say nowhere near as good)
I sincerely hope there is no Blade Runner sequel as previously mentioned and please don't let that guy who did the awfull new version of Total Recall loose on it
The new version of Total Recall is so bloody poor that I had Totally Forgotten it.
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 20 2013 at 14:37
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 01:07
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 01:08
Oh, no.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 04:21
I hope not....We had already Tick As A Brick 2.
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Posted By: Guitar Noir
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 07:32
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
Looking forward to this!
------------- "Sometimes the afterglow isn't enough and we have to move on." Steve Hackett
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 14:37
Guitar Noir wrote:
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
Looking forward to this!
at least Ridley Scott is directing but after Prometheus which was very average (I think), I would still rather he didn't.
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 15:21
richardh wrote:
Guitar Noir wrote:
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
Looking forward to this!
at least Ridley Scott is directing but after Prometheus which was very average (I think), I would still rather he didn't.
Same here. Prometheus should have never been made - I'd rather watch Aliens Vs Predator 2 then watch Prometheus again. And I think at least 50 percent of the magic of Blade Runner is Vangelis' score, which I don't believe he or anyone else can re-produce.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 01:00
jude111 wrote:
richardh wrote:
Guitar Noir wrote:
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
Looking forward to this!
at least Ridley Scott is directing but after Prometheus which was very average (I think), I would still rather he didn't.
Same here. Prometheus should have never been made - I'd rather watch Aliens Vs Predator 2 then watch Prometheus again. And I think at least 50 percent of the magic of Blade Runner is Vangelis' score, which I don't believe he or anyone else can re-produce.
may well be true
Posted By: Guitar Noir
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 11:31
jude111 wrote:
richardh wrote:
Guitar Noir wrote:
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
Looking forward to this!
at least Ridley Scott is directing but after Prometheus which was very average (I think), I would still rather he didn't.
Same here. Prometheus should have never been made - I'd rather watch Aliens Vs Predator 2 then watch Prometheus again. And I think at least 50 percent of the magic of Blade Runner is Vangelis' score, which I don't believe he or anyone else can re-produce.
For me I am not looking for the sequel to re-produce the magic of the first one, sonically or visually. Blade Runner is one of my favorite all time movies and Harrison Ford is one of my favorite actors. Blade Runner created such a rich universe, I just want to see a sequel expand on that. Obviously I want it to be a great movie. But I would love to see stories about other Blade Runners hunting replicants.
------------- "Sometimes the afterglow isn't enough and we have to move on." Steve Hackett
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 02:41
I suppose there is the question to resolve of whether Deckard is a replicant or not. The little paper unicorn was meant to tell him this I've always presumed?
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 07:58
richardh wrote:
I suppose there is the question to resolve of whether Deckard is a replicant or not. The little paper unicorn was meant to tell him this I've always presumed?
I agree with Guitar Noir in that, if there's to be a sequel, I hope it's about other characters within that world, rather than Deckard and Rachel's story... I don't want to know where they've gone or how they're getting on; it's best left to the imagination. Is Deckard a replicant? Best left a mystery, which deepens the film.
So much that's special about Blade Runner is its retro-futurism and film noir character (reflected in Vangelis's score as well) - the seeming perpetual night, the urban seediness, the constant rainfall, not to mention the tropes of the world-weary cop and the femme fatale... If the textures and mood can be re-created, and we can follow completely new characters in this same place - wow, that would be so cool. Especially if they can get the music right. If the narrative can somehow intersect with the original in some way that's surprising without feeling contrived, that's even better. Perhaps a totally different Philip K. Dick short story can be set in the Blade Runner universe. I'm reminded of how Robert Altman took a dozen different Raymond Carver short stories and weaved them into his great film Short Cuts.
If it's done right, it could be great. But so rarely are things done right. Has there ever been a case where a director revisited one of his classic works and it was anything other than mediocre? Coppola's Godfather III should never have been made; ditto Scott's Alien prequel Prometheus. Lucas's Star Wars prequels were utterly awful.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 08:57
jude111 wrote:
richardh wrote:
I suppose there is the question to resolve of whether Deckard is a replicant or not. The little paper unicorn was meant to tell him this I've always presumed?
I agree with Guitar Noir in that, if there's to be a sequel, I hope it's about other characters within that world, rather than Deckard and Rachel's story... I don't want to know where they've gone or how they're getting on; it's best left to the imagination. Is Deckard a replicant? Best left a mystery, which deepens the film.
So much that's special about Blade Runner is its retro-futurism and film noir character (reflected in Vangelis's score as well) - the seeming perpetual night, the urban seediness, the constant rainfall, not to mention the tropes of the world-weary cop and the femme fatale... If the textures and mood can be re-created, and we can follow completely new characters in this same place - wow, that would be so cool. Especially if they can get the music right. If the narrative can somehow intersect with the original in some way that's surprising without feeling contrived, that's even better. Perhaps a totally different Philip K. Dick short story can be set in the Blade Runner universe. I'm reminded of how Robert Altman took a dozen different Raymond Carver short stories and weaved them into his great film Short Cuts.
If it's done right, it could be great. But so rarely are things done right. Has there ever been a case where a director revisited one of his classic works and it was anything other than mediocre? Coppola's Godfather III should never have been made; ditto Scott's Alien prequel Prometheus. Lucas's Star Wars prequels were utterly awful.
Deckard suspects to be a replicant, Douglas Quaid thinks to have dreamed of Mars, and nobody knows if Palmer Eldritch is a dream or not. Being unable of recognize reality from dreams is the typical theme of every Dick's novel.
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 10:47
octopus-4 wrote:
Deckard suspects to be a replicant, Douglas Quaid thinks to have dreamed of Mars, and nobody knows if Palmer Eldritch is a dream or not. Being unable of recognize reality from dreams is the typical theme of every Dick's novel.
Yes, it's a theme mined in cyberpunk and postmodern scifi as well (of which Blade Runner was a pioneer, along with precursors like Chris Marker's La jetee and Godard's Alphaville). In post-Blade Runner films like Dark City (and the director's follow-up, the under-rated I Robot), The Matrix, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, The Truman Show, and Vanilla Sky (as well as the remake of Marker's film, 12 Monkeys), characters are unsure of their own identity and what's real.
When I first heard that there was to be a re-make of Total Recall, I was desperately hoping that it would be set in the Blade Runner world (which after all made frequent mention of 'off-world colonies'). Alas they blew it...
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 10:49
jude111 wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Deckard suspects to be a replicant, Douglas Quaid thinks to have dreamed of Mars, and nobody knows if Palmer Eldritch is a dream or not. Being unable of recognize reality from dreams is the typical theme of every Dick's novel.
Yes, it's a theme mined in cyberpunk and postmodern scifi as well (of which Blade Runner was a pioneer, along with precursors like Chris Marker's La jetee and Godard's Alphaville). In post-Blade Runner films like Dark City, The Matrix, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, The Truman Show, and Vanilla Sky (as well as the remake of Marker's film, 12 Monkeys), characters are unsure of their own identity and what's real.
When I first heard that there was to be a re-make of Total Recall, I was desperately hoping that it would be set in the Blade Runner world (which after all made frequent mention of 'off-world colonies'). Alas they blew it...
Dark City could have been a great movie if only they omitted explaining everything in the first minutes
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 10:58
octopus-4 wrote:
Dark City could have been a great movie if only they omitted explaining everything in the first minutes
I agree. I quite like the film, but it misses masterpiece status. The director followed Dark City with the film I Robot, which I strongly disliked at first but have come to like over the years the more I thought about it.
For example, one reason I didn't like it at first (and it got a lot of criticism over this) was the product placement in the film: Converse shoes, Audi car, etc. But then I began to realize: all these products are destroyed in the film: the shoes become covered in blood and are ruined; the car gets rubbished; Will Smith's character grabs the FedEx robot by the face and pushes him away, etc. It goes to the heart of the film: it's the corporation and its slimy CEO that's unleashed the robots, etc etc. The director was clearly riffing on Blade Runner: a cop is the hero, there's a CEO who sits at the top of his empire perched over the city; Deckard may or may not be human, while Will Smith is half-robot...
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 11:32
jude111 wrote:
richardh wrote:
I suppose there is the question to resolve of whether Deckard is a replicant or not. The little paper unicorn was meant to tell him this I've always presumed?
I agree with Guitar Noir in that, if there's to be a sequel, I hope it's about other characters within that world, rather than Deckard and Rachel's story... I don't want to know where they've gone or how they're getting on; it's best left to the imagination. Is Deckard a replicant? Best left a mystery, which deepens the film.
So much that's special about Blade Runner is its retro-futurism and film noir character (reflected in Vangelis's score as well) - the seeming perpetual night, the urban seediness, the constant rainfall, not to mention the tropes of the world-weary cop and the femme fatale... If the textures and mood can be re-created, and we can follow completely new characters in this same place - wow, that would be so cool. Especially if they can get the music right. If the narrative can somehow intersect with the original in some way that's surprising without feeling contrived, that's even better. Perhaps a totally different Philip K. Dick short story can be set in the Blade Runner universe. I'm reminded of how Robert Altman took a dozen different Raymond Carver short stories and weaved them into his great film Short Cuts.
If it's done right, it could be great. But so rarely are things done right. Has there ever been a case where a director revisited one of his classic works and it was anything other than mediocre? Coppola's Godfather III should never have been made; ditto Scott's Alien prequel Prometheus. Lucas's Star Wars prequels were utterly awful.
Wow, that's ... quite an epic formula you've laid out there, jude, ... but I don't think even that would work because it's a formula in which some things from Blade Runner would be repeated or rehashed. I personally wouldn't want that to happen. Another somewhat philosophical love story with replicants? Why? And what is the music going to be like? I'm thinking that no matter how you lump it, you will come up with a variation of Blade Runner. Why? That's why I think Ridley will never topple his 1982 classic. And didn't we have enough sequels already over the past ten years? I think Ridley should work from the other end - come up with something truly original, like Kubrick would, and maybe, maybe then employ some ideas from Blade Runner.
But hey, that's just me.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 15:14
jude111 wrote:
In post-Blade Runner films like Dark City (and the director's follow-up, the under-rated I Robot)
I enjoyed Proyas' The Crow and Dark City a lot but I felt I, Robot was forgettable fare.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 05 2013 at 15:02
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
I think they were looking at a sort of prequel to the main film ... but the film without Roy, and his group and total individuality ... is not likely to stand up, and be nothing but a copy of the whole thing.
Could be interesting if they look at the early days of the replicants, and find that the ones that didn't work were the odd ones where something like a wire went wrong, and it became ... the Darryl Hannah character, for example ... or the other wire went broke, and it became Roy ... or the like, but even that is a bit too strange and creating a whole world around that, might be next to impossible.
The "after" of the film would be very tough ... the likelihood, is that he ages, and Rachel doesn't ... and this creates an interesting dilemma ... she will become a Melmoth the wonderer ... she can not love, because they will all die! And there are no replicants that were succeesful that would make sense for her to get involved with. And does she have emotions? How can she "love" and appreciate the man that fell in love with her?
As long as it doesn't become a crappy Hollywood love story ... I might see it!
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 06 2013 at 16:49
moshkito wrote:
verslibre wrote:
A Blade Runner sequel is going to happen and Ridley Scott will again direct.
I think they were looking at a sort of prequel to the main film ... but the film without Roy, and his group and total individuality ... is not likely to stand up, and be nothing but a copy of the whole thing.
Could be interesting if they look at the early days of the replicants, and find that the ones that didn't work were the odd ones where something like a wire went wrong, and it became ... the Darryl Hannah character, for example ... or the other wire went broke, and it became Roy ... or the like, but even that is a bit too strange and creating a whole world around that, might be next to impossible.
The "after" of the film would be very tough ... the likelihood, is that he ages, and Rachel doesn't ... and this creates an interesting dilemma ... she will become a Melmoth the wonderer ... she can not love, because they will all die! And there are no replicants that were succeesful that would make sense for her to get involved with. And does she have emotions? How can she "love" and appreciate the man that fell in love with her?
As long as it doesn't become a crappy Hollywood love story ... I might see it!
I thought it's pretty well accepted that (at least, according to Ridley Scott) Deckard, too, is a replicant (he just doesn't know it). But I agree, the Roy character is, for me, the central and most memorable character in the film. In fact, Rutger Hauer's Roy is probably my favorite character from any movie--and the "Tears in the Rain" scene the most powerful scene I've ever been witness to.
I say, Let it lie. There's no need for prequels, sequels, or remakes. Heck, there are enough "alternate versions" to keep one busy for the rest of our lives.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 06 2013 at 20:51
It will not be easy to, er, replicate the atmo of the film for a sequel. Ridley will direct, but it absolutely needs Vangelis' music again or someone who can create a similarly evocative score without riding its coattails, as with Daft Punk's music for Tron Legacy. Of course, it needs a quality story and script. K.W. Jeter (PKD's protégé) wrote a direct sequel to the film, literally titled Blade Runner 2, in the '90s. I didn't read it, but I recall it was well-received. I don't think they intend to adapt it, though.
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: August 06 2013 at 21:35
Why do they have to make all these dumb sequels. Anyway I went with Love Theme. It's a nice song to listen to when you're having a threesome with your dogs. Just kidding having sex with your wife after you've had a big fight because you did something really dumb like Ralph Kramden would do.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 21:20
Oh, yeah! Song pick! I went with "One More Kiss, Dear" cuz it haunts me and has such a cool 1920's feel to it. (I think I would have really liked the 1920s.) I love all the other songs as well--especially the trumpet work on "Blade Runner's Blues," the synths etc. as Roy's death soliloquy plays, and the piano notes from "Rachel's Theme" Rachel and Deckard play before making love.
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 21:28
BrufordFreak wrote:
Oh, yeah! Song pick! I went with "One More Kiss, Dear" cuz it haunts me and has such a cool 1920's feel to it. (I think I would have really liked the 1920s.) I love all the other songs as well--especially the trumpet work on "Blade Runner's Blues," the synths etc. as Roy's death soliloquy plays, and the piano notes from "Rachel's Theme" Rachel and Deckard play before making love.
I know an album just for you then: The Caretaker's An Empty Bliss Beyond This World. The entire album is streaming on Youtube:
The Caretaker is actually Leyland Kirby - he named himself The Caretaker after the bartender ghost in The Shining (novel and film), in the ballroom where the dance never ends. The album has a very similar feel to "One More Kiss, Dear." My favorite track is the first one, "All You Are Going to Want to Do Is Get Back There."
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 12 2013 at 00:18
jude111 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Whoa, ... two-disc version? I don't have that.
Now if you limited it to just the one-disc version, it would be easily (though originally it wasn't that easy) "Blade Runner Blues", the heaven a human mind doesn't deserve.
There's actually a 3-disc version <span style="line-height: 1.2;">, but the 3rd disc is largely new music by Vangelis, and it's not really close to the Blade Runner sound. The 2nd disc is largely very mellow, most of it incidental music. What's missing (besides some great tracks) are some of the cool sound effects from the film, like that blimp with the Japanese woman, and that advert that goes something like, "</span>A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies, the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure..."
Yes. There certainly is.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 12 2013 at 00:21
It was a tough one between Main Titles and Tears in The Rain but I went with Main Titles...