1967 and the Prog-Rock Progenitors
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Topic: 1967 and the Prog-Rock Progenitors
Posted By: jude111
Subject: 1967 and the Prog-Rock Progenitors
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:29
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There's an article on the Pop Matters website today entitled "1967 and the Prog-Rock Progenitors." The albums in my poll are those mentioned in the article as being key pre-prog releases from 1967. (A strange coincidence, since I just mentioned Love's "Forever Changes" in another recent poll here at PA. I wonder if the author of the piece is here in PA ;-) My favorite is a 3-way tie between Love's Forever Changes, VU & Nico, and Floyd's Piper. The article, if you want to read it: http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/168824-1967-and-the-prog-rock-progenitors/" rel="nofollow - http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/168824-1967-and-the-prog-rock-progenitors/ |
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:40
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Today my tastes say Safe as Milk.
Love the Burial avi btw  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:43
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Went with the Airplane. Of course, there are lots of great ones on this list, but Surrealistic Pillow is one of my favorite hippie albums and although not as much proto-prog as say After Bathing At Baxter's, it's the album of all those I enjoy the most. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:51
Yes, I messed up. I think both those albums are from 1967, I should've went with Baxter's instead of Pillow.
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 12:02
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The Doors
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Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 12:21
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Pink Floyd: The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn and ... The Nice  "The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack" ...... and Rolling Stones  "Their Satanic Majesties Request" ...... and ...
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 13:27
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Buffalo Springfield Again: I love that one! Love's Forever Changes is also good. Traffic's debut is charming and versatile, but the really good albums were yet to come IMHO.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 13:59
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Forever Changes. Few albums from that era have bowled me over like that one.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 14:47
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Days Of Future Passed ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 18:21
His music is truly something special. Very emotional for electronic music, I love it. Perfect on a dark night in the city. I went with Mr. Fantasy.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 22:02
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The Moodys, then Hendrix, The Doors, Love, Beefheart, and how come The Mother's Absolutely Free isn't on the list? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 22:15
I only added albums specifically mentioned in the article (see my first post)
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 22:18
| Piper |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 22:44
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I'll give some love to Captain. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 09 2013 at 02:44
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Pink Floyd: The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: March 09 2013 at 20:12
Fair enough, but it's still strange that Zappa's output during this period was not mentioned in that article. Back on topic... it's hard to choose. Seriously, it's stuff from 1967, arguably the finest year for rock 'n roll. If I had to choose, I guess, for the moment, It would be Are You Experienced?. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 09 2013 at 22:09
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Went with Piper from that list. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 09 2013 at 22:12
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Beach Boys missing The Nice |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 00:28
From what I've read in Ed Macan's ELP bio, Endless Enigma, The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack actually came out in March 1968. I'm not sure why it's listed as December 1967. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 03:15
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^ I'm reading the notes in the 2004 reissue, and I quote;"..their debut album The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack appeared in December '67". Further, the Immediate copyright states 'Original Immediate Recordings ⓟ 1967'. Maybe the March '68 date was the worldwide release. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 05:40
While Arthur Brown is mentioned a lot in the article he is not in the list because his album didn't hit the shelves until '68, there were a number of singles released in 1967 that I feel were more relevant than most of the albums listed, especially by bands like The Small Faces, The Move, Soft Machine, Simon Dupree and the Big Sound, Tintern Abbey, The Yardbirds, The Smoke, Giles, Giles & Fripp, Tommorow, The Idle Race, Family, The Gods, etc. since while Prog was a predominately an album-based genre, it was the one-off psychedelic rock single that spored it - after all, people actually bought The Crazy World of Arthur Brown album because of (and perhaps only for) Fire. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 06:25
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1967 was a very important year for albums in general - In 1966 popular music was dominated by singles, and in 1968 it was dominated by albums. 1967 was the year we switched from singles-led to albums-led I voted Piper, of course, but if it hadn't been there I would have voted Pepper ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 07:03
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It's Pepper or Piper for me Pepper is very diverse and tasteful (as any post-1963 albums by the Fab Four). The Beatles did have a firmer control over the flow of the music, and were able to balance the "surrealistic vs. nonsensical" and the "psychedelia vs. cacophony" equation in a more masterful way than Sid Barrett's group (that what eventually evolved into Pink Floyd). I do like Jimi Hendrix, certainly The Moody Blues, JA and some others from the list, but with reservations. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 07:24
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Many worthy candidates here, but Velvet Underground beats them all. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 07:39
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Poor ol The Who...... I really like Sell Out - and I love this picture of Daltrey:  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 08:57
Very well put. I find a lot of American music criticism to be incredibly Americentric. I just read Spin Magazine's online review of the new Bowie album; it so skewered from an American perspective that it's downright offensive. [ http://www.spin.com/reviews/david-bowie-the-next-day-columbia-iso" rel="nofollow - http://www.spin.com/reviews/david-bowie-the-next-day-columbia-iso ]
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 13:16
It's possible. I think Frank Zappa's Lumpy Gravy had a similar release pattern, albeit with more convoluted circumstances than Emerlist Davjack. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 20:26
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^ I don't trust rock biographies for accuracy any more than I do someone sitting next to me at a concert |
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 20:53
They'll exclude that album but yet they'll put a Non-Prog Album like "The Velvet Underground and Nico"?
Lists these days. ------------- "Do not do to others as you don't want done to yourself."- Confucius |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 21:35
Read my first post, to see why it's not on this poll. Having said that, I agree that it should be. Concerning VU & Nico, Nick Mason has some really interesting things to say about it his book "Inside Out." He writes how at the time, Floyd members heard about this new psychedelic music coming from America. It was exciting to read about, and it fueled their imaginations about what's possible in music. They waited breathlessly for the albums to come to England - Big Brother (Janis Joplin), Jefferson Airplane, the Doors. When the albums finally arrived, they were extremely disappointed. This wasn't the radical, far out sounds they imagined - it was just recycled bluesy bar music. Pretty tame stuff. However, there was one album that they loved, one album that they found truly out there: VU & Nico. The Velvet Underground were an almost Germanic type band (e.g. Can), in that they weren't interested in being virtuosos. What a line-up! A nice hybrid, between British classically-trained avant-gardist John Cale, German chaunteuse Nico, the primal drums of Sterling Morrison, and Lou Reed's post-electric-Dylan NYC electric folk strummings and Beat lyrics. With Andy Warhol guiding them. I think they are totally prog progenitors, particularly to bands like early Floyd and many German rock bands. White Light/White Heat even more so. Unfortunately, once Cale was gone, the band became something else, and no longer Continental.
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 22:39
Interesting. I've always had my suspicions - I've read that Peter Jenner and Andrew King wanted to bring the Velvets' first album into the UK, but went to work with Pink Floyd at the last minute - but I've never heard any confirmations from anyone from the band until now. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 22:54
I just hope it's accurate and I didn't get anything wrong - it's been a few years since I read it, and I don't have the book here with me. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 23:08
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From this list...Piper at the Gates of Dawn. But there's a terrible omision: Far more Prog and transcendental than any of the mentioned IMO.  Iván
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 23:18
I have a treasured copy of the 1967 British release. If I'm not wrong , this is the British cover  The one in my previous post is the 1968 Columbia USA cover Iván
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 10 2013 at 23:49
| Just as I suspected. |
Posted By: kit-kat
Date Posted: March 11 2013 at 03:17
| I can't vote yet, but VU & Nico would be my pick without a doubt. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 00:43
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The Doors debut, followed closely by Velvet Underground. ------------- 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:41
Chose the Beatles...Sgt Pepper......couldn't vote in the poll for some reason. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:53
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What about Tangerine Dream - Kaleidoscope? And what about my favorite album from 1967, Country Joe and the Fish - Electric Music for the Mind and Body? A lot of good music in 1967!
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Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:56
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I voted for the Moody Blues. ------------- http://larree.ws" rel="nofollow - The Larree (dot) Website |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:58
 I forgot that was released in late '67, add that to my previous list of 1967 British Psyche releases.------------- What? |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 05:17
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Procol Harum's debut was great, deserves to be mentioned. I don't know all the albums and don't care for some. Never cared for Captain Beefheart and Jefferson Airplane bored me last time I tried listening to them (slowly, tippy-toeing away)
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 05:29
| The Doors |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 05:36
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Velvets ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 05:51
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The Moodies! But I also like Piper and Hendrix ------------- Categories strain, crack and sometimes break, under their burden - step out of the space provided. |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 15:25
| Doors and Floyd. |
Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 15:34
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I've never gotten the love for Piper, I find it rather annoying tbh. Although Astronomy Domine can be funny at times... ------------- |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 21:59
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Great list.....but if I had to play only one over and over......it would be Pepper. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 02:29
It's always nice to find more people who don't like Piper. The only song I like is Matilda Mother. My vote goes to Jimi Hendrix, although that Traffic album is great too.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 23:15
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Thoughts by The Nice -------------
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 30 2018 at 23:13
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This was really hard, all those albums are great except Beach Boys (that one good too, but not as great as Pet Sounds). Then I just had to choose Floyd. There are many great albums missing, famous ones I think Cream Disraeli Gears, 13th Floor Elevators Eastern Everywhere, Stones Their Satanic, Hendrix Axis (to me even better than Are You), Ten Years After first, Doors Strange Days (again better than first)...
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 30 2018 at 23:14
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 30 2018 at 23:18
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 00:49
| Floyd, hands down. Had it been the Airplane’s Baxter’s album, then that would’ve taken the cake for ‘67 !! |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 02:07
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 02:43
| No procol Harum Debut... or The Nice's Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack in the list?? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:03
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^Yes...those are both very good. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |