Now I like/love that X now i hate that !
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Topic: Now I like/love that X now i hate that !
Posted By: Titan
Subject: Now I like/love that X now i hate that !
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 14:38
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I guess that many prog rock listeners has that experience. iam
listening some album, and i think to myself, what a terrible album,
boring to me etc. And after few months, thats great ! for example me: Yes - Relayer, i was confused (mainly gates of delirum), what the hell is that, my head oh :) and after 2 months i love that ! another example: i was listening to genesis always 2 years ago, but lamb was (whole album) hard to accept, and after some months, its the best genesis album imho. So i guess some albums must mature inside you. Older listeners have surely some example: and after 20 years I love that ! or after 20 years i hate that ! etc. etc. please tell me your experience with that, i am quite curious thx sorry if that has been posted already....  |
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Posted By: Pingree
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 14:45
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That's the thing with alot of Prog you really need repeated listenings before it pays off, I used to hate the Pink Floyd Album 'Animals', and now its one of my favourites, when I started listening to it properly I realised just how bloody good it was. My best mate [who is not a progger... yet ;)] hated Dark Side Of The Moon for years, now he plays it all the time, since taking up guitar [and he's good] he realised the amount of skill and suchlike involved, and likes the album. Prog requires an active listener, Pop does not. I'll let you decide who gets the better deal. :) ------------- 'Man was created in 1 day, it took him the other 6 to create Prog' |
Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 14:56
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Really nice example, very interesting, even famous Dark Side Of The Moon can have such turn. Anyway sometimes we should listen prog enough, because there is possibility "that album is boring" because you have listened that only once. Of course if iam listening an album 20x, it is objective already :) |
Posted By: tona
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 15:01
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now i hate zeuhl, now i hate rio, now i hate kraut, now i hate canterbury... now i'm listening to monterey pop 1967... ------------- ... but i have to know my song well before i start singin' |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 15:01
| A more obscure example, but very very current! in the last half an hour I've just realised that I did NOT give Discus, an Indonesian avant-prog band, a fair crack of the whip. I listened to their imaginatively titled debut album (First) a few months ago and wasn't very impressed. I'm giving it another spin now and I just don't know what I was thinking! It's superb! |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 15:18
sadly, I think I'm growing apart from Dream Theater... ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 15:19
Welcome to adulthood. |
GoldenSpiral wrote:Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 15:38
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it almost happened with :
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Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:08
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Awake by dream theater is probably the album I've had to listen to the
most in order for it to be really great. I hated it when it came out, I
had so high expectations, and it sounded pretty dull. Then it gradually
got better, but very slowly. It wasn't until I knew ALL the tracks in
my head that the album opened, and the harvest was ready to reap.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:22
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:25
IT WAS A JOKE. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:31
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I am slowly starting to appreciate Porcupine Tree, now that I have heard Deadwing and Warsawa....it's taken a long time... ....but hearing these has helped me appreciate Signify and Coma Divine more, which I had previously owned. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:32
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:33
It's not that I don't like them, I guess, I just used to listen to them almost exclusively, but now my tastes are far more varied thanks to PA ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:35
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That's funny, Titan, I had exactly the same experience with Relayer! Dark Side Of The Moon - that one has been mentioed too - was another one. I really couldn't understand why people would love that record. It sounded a bit dull at first. A friend of mine thought the same. Now we both like the record a lot! Kansas - Two For The Show - ditto. Borrowed it from one of my neighbours, and I listened to it a lot, before it did something with me. Gentle Giant - Octopus: I didn't like it at all in the beginning. Nowadays I consider it as one of the best records EVER made! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 16:38
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Almost all Gentle Giant music (now love most that I've heard,intially I was underwelmed) IQ - The Wake (initially wrote them off as bad 'Genesis clones',but couldn't stop playing the thing once I got past 2 or 3 listens) |
Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 19:15
hehe thats really funny  even i have similar experience with GG, but i still consider their first 3 albums as the best.... but still dont know albums after 1973 tho |
Posted By: CrazyDiamond
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 19:57
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Ehi guys, strange but true, same experience with RELAYER! What a powerful disc, but i accepted it only after a few listening. IMHO, you have to UNDERSTAND what the album is saying to you! It has a lot to communicate! Hey titan great topic! ___BYE___ ------------- 
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Posted By: Lyzarrd
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 20:03
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Genesis was my biggest turn around. Most notably Foxtrot. I couldn't
stand anything that I heard from them and thought their music was a
joke! Now...I just love 'em. I got a chance to actually listen to and
appreciate their fine music and now they remain in my top list of prog
acts. I used to laugh at Supper's Ready and now...I weep in its beauty. ------------- Can you tell me where my country lies... |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 20:07
| It was really hard for me to get into post rock in general, but now I absolutely love it. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 21:10
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Zappa's 'Joe's Garage', but after 2-3 listenings, i found out that this was a excellent album. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: ShaggyMcShagg7
Date Posted: July 27 2005 at 21:14
| I have no response to the topic; but how do you write like that? |
Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 02:55
hehe thx man, welcome to the club :-) Really strange that we (moogtron, you and me) have same experience with Relayer.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 03:09
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Sometimes the best albums take a while to sink in. I actually hated Relayer by Yes at first. I thought it was a pointless record, a cacophony. Now I think it's great - not their best - but great nonetheless. Octopus by Gentle Giant, as already mentioned here, is a very intricate and well crafted album. When I first heard I thought it was awful, and conjured up images of Morris dancers, and men in tights, blowing horns ... As a contrast Images & Words by Dream Theater was an instant hit with me. I thought it was excellent. Now I cant be bothered with it at all. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 03:15
Welcome to the club Relayer, we have 4 members already :) Octopus has been mentioned 2 or even 3x tho
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 03:20
Octopus is an excellent example though, of a slow grower. I thought it deserved another mention.. I think these 'slow grower' albums are always the best. There is more subtlety to them, more to discover. An album thats grabs you immediately is often 'all mouth and no trousers' and I'm starting to feel that Dream Theater fall into that category, for me anyway. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 03:25
As a matter of fact I used to listen and love bands like Dream Theater and symphony X and hated Gentle Giant and Yes. One day I played a sample disc containing those bands and others and now I can not get enough of them. What is truley amazing is how I cant stand Dream Theater and Symphony x now and I actually sold all the prog metal albums I owned for KC, GG, Genises, ELP, and Yes (to name a few) albums. It is almost like my taste for prog has progressed. No offense to prog metal fans, this is just my own expieriance. ------------- "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water" John 7:38 |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 03:48
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And I thought I was the only one who had felt this way about "Awake"... I was extremely enthusiastic after listening to "Images and Words" and wanted to get more of the same thing. "Awake" proved so very different and completely inaccessible at first that I wanted to throw it out of the window. Luckily I gave it another listen, and another... and voila, I love it as much as I do "I&W". Funnily enough, the same thing happened to me with "Falling into Infinity", only that in this case I thought at first listen that it sounded too accessible and banal. Fortunately repeated listens proved that I had been wrong again, it is a very good album ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 04:25
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hmm really interesting, relayer seems to be growing album If you are listening an album first time, and you think to myself, o great ! time after time, i neednt to listen that anymore maybe after some time... and these albums like relayer are great always
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Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 04:30
I had the same thing about FII, although it was more like I admitted to myself several years afterwards that I do infact like it. What about the following DT albums? With ToT for example, I first thought it might be a good album, because it sounded ok at first listen. But after lots of listens, it just got worse! The same thing with 6doit first cd (6doit track on cd 2 is really good though). Let's see what happens with octavarium... ------------- Currently listening to: - Andromeda - Pagan's Mind - Kamelot |
Posted By: lynton samuel
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 04:43
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i had a hard time getting into gentle giant and VdGG, but now they are among my alltime favourites!
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 04:46
Well, "SfaM", for example, despite all the hype, has IMO always been an album that deserves 2.5, 3 stars at best, no change here. I really liked "ACoS" from the very first listen and it only gets better with each listen, a truly inspiring piece of music I seem to be one of the very few people here who absolutely love both sides of "6DoIT" and "ToT" "Octavarium" has so far been a disappointment for me, I do need some more time with it, but I'm fairly certain it's going to wind up as my least fav DT album. I haven't heard "When Day and Dream Unite".
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 04:57
Interesting! I don't think SFAM is nearly as good as everybody seems to think (it might be that nowadays it is the DT album that most DT fans have heard first!) ACOS was great from the beginning, agree with you there. If you can stand poor production and a hilarious singer, WDADU is a real gem. But it needs ALOT of listens. ------------- Currently listening to: - Andromeda - Pagan's Mind - Kamelot |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 05:35
From the bits and pieces of "WDaDU" I managed to hear it does seem to be a gem. And the term 'poor production' is almost meaningless to me ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
.Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 07:14
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When it comes down to Gentle Giant, I think "The power and the glory" is more difficult to get into than "Octopus". "The power and the glory' is really their weirdest album by far , but that's just my opinion (Gentle Giant starters should begin with "Three friends" anyway). When it comes down to Yes' Relayer, I liked "The gates of Delerium" and "Sound chaser" when I heard them the first time, but I loved them when I listened more often. But I am still growing into the song "To be over". Until now I'm a bit disappointed about this track. I'm wondering if I am gonna like this song as much as the other two songs on the Relayer album. ------------- Right down the line |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 07:52
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Let´s don´t turn it in another dt poll shall we? I used to hate Vapor Trails but after some listenings as a background music I came to love it. Very inteligent album. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 08:04
Am I really the only person to love Octopus instantly? |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 08:10
I confess I haven't yet given GG a fair shot yet apart from the mp3's on this site, but out of those, the one from Octopus is for me the least enjoyable for the first few listens (sorry mr. press...). However, it definitely does sound to me like if I had the whole album and gave it a few more tries I would love it for eternity. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 08:12
No problem! Just keep on listening, buy an album when you feel ready... If they're still not for you then leave it. They're an acquired taste, after all.  |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 08:17
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I agree. I hated Still Life when I first bought it, but now I'm older and wiser (?) I can really appreciate it. This is the essence of most prog music, it's often takes repeated listening to get into. IMO that makes it last longer, some songs are easy to like on the first listening, then you get bored with them later on. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 08:21
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I liked it instantly. Unfortunately, the vocals still don't really convince me (the sound of the vocals, not the arrangements). Recently, I instantly loved these albums on first listen:
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 08:52
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Titan: there's a very simple explanation of what you're referring to, and most of the contributors have already explained that... The English speaking world has a simple phrase for the first situation: Acquired taste... forgive me for my smart ass attitude, but it's not long since I've learned about this expression, and I use it every now and then Besides, everyone has already mentioned that this is the case with most prog works, and progarchives' definition pages also attribute this thing to certain subgenres: canterbury/RIO, Zeuhl, Krautrock etc... It is not uncommon that this happens for mainstream prog albums, either One thing I realise is the subject matter is revolving around same bands/albums (let's leave aside DT for a moment!), actually I went through the same phases more or less, but with a few exceptions: 1. I liked Relayer from the beginning on, with the exception of Soon, which I had heard long before in Yesyears... I usually skip that part when I'm listening from the computer... (on vinyl, I am more patient!!!). Also, I share the same point of view about To Be Over with Odd24... maybe it's another "acquired taste"?!? 2. I agree with lynton samuel about VdGG... It is symphonic prog's acquired taste... 3. Not to mention Gentle Giant, who are perfectly in line with their second album's title 4. I will add Tangerine Dream to the list already formed by those who posted before me... I really hated them before hearing Cyclone. What a blast! After that, and Force Majeure, I began to check on one more time on other albums. Now I am (almost) a big fan... As for the second issue: though trouserpress already admitted to have joked, I think he had a point. Some pompous acts (notably prog metal bands) lose their attractiveness as the listener grows old (both physically, and spiritually My brother Jesus mentioned a typical experience... I feel the same, with the exception that I never had been a fan of prog-metal at all. I liked DT's a Change of Seasons when I first heard it, but did not have copy for many years, and when at last I finally had it (along with the other DT albums packed up in a mp3 disc!) it had already lost its charm for me! I also bought other prog-metal bands' mp3's, but all with an average approach... I neither hate them, nor die for them! Unlike brother Jesus, I do not intend to get rid of any prog metal album, because of my mediocre approach to the genre... I even did not get rid of Metallica and Iron Maiden records! This is another story, I just can't give up something which I was closely associated in my childhood and teenage days! Jean Michel Jarre and Vangelis are earlier examples... But I eventually developed a hatred towards '80's poppy material, regardless of any genre! I used to love Yes' '80's work, for instance, but now (though I still estimate 90125) I simply hate Big Generator!!! That would be the same if I ever listened to Genesis' '80's material before I went deep into (true) prog. Other good examples include Alan Paesons Project and The Moody Blues... Though I still respect, and to an extent like these bands' '70's material, I now can't stand silly pop works such as Vulture Culture and The Present! (yet, I still consider some individual tracks in these albums and the like "bearable") (if anyone wonders why I called Jesus "brother", just bother to check our signatures Keep on proggin' ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
. Posted By: felona
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 09:31
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no!!! it was my main introduction to the band and I instantly liked it ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: beterdedthnred4
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 10:09
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It took me upwards of a dozen listens to get into VDGG's Pawn
Hearts. I was gonna like that album if it killed me. And
now I love it. I was shocked when I first heard Porcupine Tree's In Absentia, but now I think it was the album of the year back in 2002. My first couple listens to KC's Discipline brought up the following questions Listen 1: Where's the mellotron? Listen 2: Where's a good singer? Listen 3: Where's a bad song? |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 10:58
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I never hated any VdGG album, but did not like any of them instantly, either... The only exception is when I heard "darkness" in The Box... It's as though only that song existed in the entire album!!! "Bless the baby born today!"
Good points! KC is an acquired taste, too. This, and the other two albums from the '80's took a lot more time for me to get used to.. (I first heard them in "The Compact King Crimson", along with 4 tracks from ItCotCK... that may be why! Belew is a strange singer, indeed. But by no means "bad"!!! It also takes time to get used to, also the new style should be considered on its own... If you compare it to the '69-'74 period, you get nothing! (You may look for the mellotron, but don't be obsessed with it!) If you listen the way beterdedthnred4 did, you end up with question 3 keep on proggin' ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
) Actually I could only get used to them after hearing the same songs in some live albums (probably Circus disc 1) from '90's period. Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 14:14
R U serious? OK, I like GG, JT, Camel, Genesis, ELP and Yes more than I like Dream Theater. But is it true that if you know prog metal and 70's prog, you always like 70's prog more? I don't know... I've read somewhere that Relayer by Yes has some influences that were also used by Dream Theater. That could mean that if you are a Dream Theater fan and know nothing about 70's prog, you could start with Yes' Relayer to get into it. And about Gentle Giant...when it gets to getting into them, this could be the order of getting into them if you have doubts about this band: 1. Gentle Giant/Acquiring the taste/Three friends 2. Octopus/In a glass house/Free hand/Interview 3. The power and the glory If you can stand "The power and the glory" then you can stand all of Gentle Giant. And finally a list of Gentle Giant songs of which I think might be difficult to get into: That's enough for today... ------------- Right down the line |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 14:25
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Posted By: The Walrus
Date Posted: July 28 2005 at 14:33
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The first times I heard Gentle Giants first album I didn't like it at
all. After a few months I listened to it again, and now I think it's
great, much better than Octopus (I liked Octopus from the start) ------------- 
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