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Topic: "prog" songs by non-prog bandsPosted By: aldri7
Subject: "prog" songs by non-prog bands
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:29
If this topic is covered elsewhere, just point me to the relevant thread (I'm a newbie)....
What I'm interesed in with this thread is "prog" (subject to interpretation) songs by bands not listed at progarchives.com
They are not listed because the vast majority of their work is not prog related. However, sometimes as you all know, many such bands will occasionally stretch it out a bit and incorporate prog elements into a work. They may only perform one or two such songs like this in their entire careers. But do we have a place here for those songs? Are people interested in compiling a list?
I want (or try to see) prog everywhere I go, and so I'm tempted anytime I really like something, regardless of the genre, to call it "prog" simply because to me it is fresh and inventive and unusual. Like with "Good Vibrations" by the Beach Boys. For its time, it really pushed the boundaries of what was possible.
Anyway, I will wait to hear if others think this is a good idea, or, more likely, if it is covered elsewhere (seems there is probably not much that hasn't been talked about here!)
thanks -
aldri7
Replies: Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:31
and i want to mention this too, Madlib is one of the best hip-hop producers around right now and he likes to release vinyl mixes which are literally a compilation mix of music he finds really good, there's a lot of different ones he's done with jazz, funk, soul, and other stuff but he also has a lot with lots of prog and prog-related stuff
i love this stuff cause he always puts hella good music in and i can always find something awesome and new
Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:35
Wow, that is fantastic!! That Grateful Dead song! I mean, that is EXACTLY what I am looking for! I'm no Deadhead, so I only know a little of their work. But this I could listen to over and over. Thanks so much for kicking this off!!!
aldri7
Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:37
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes it has been done before but never mind.
thanks - but is there a link to another thread so that I can maybe get some more ideas from there?
Aldri7
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:39
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74557&KW=prog+songs+by+non-prog+bands&PID=4001440#4001440" rel="nofollow - Prog Songs by non prog bands
Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:52
Snow Dog wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74557&KW=prog+songs+by+non-prog+bands&PID=4001440#4001440" rel="nofollow - Prog Songs by non prog bands
thank you - its got almost the same title as mine..
So, now let me defer to the mods........shall I continue with this thread, or have it pulled while I shuffle over to the other one?
I see lots of room for expansion..
aldri7
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 05:51
I once heard a long version of 'Love Is Like Oxygen' by The Sweet - it sounded somewhat Proggy.........
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 07:25
aldri7 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74557&KW=prog+songs+by+non-prog+bands&PID=4001440#4001440" rel="nofollow - Prog Songs by non prog bands
thank you - its got almost the same title as mine..
So, now let me defer to the mods........shall I continue with this thread, or have it pulled while I shuffle over to the other one?
I see lots of room for expansion..
aldri7
I'm no Mod (no Rocker either ) but I'd say that the right thing to do is jump along the previously existing thread (since it's not yet locked).
As a little contribution to the subject I could mention Dire Strait's Telegraph Road, or The Load Out / Stay from Jackson Browne's 1977 Running On Empty album, not strictly Prog but a great 9 min song when taken together.
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 07:35
Thought this might fit this topic!
Alt/retro/psych/harmony rocker Matthew Sweet's almost 10 minute 4-part `Thunderstorm'
Anyone who likes the Byrds, Beach Boys will probably dig this guy.....Man, what a voice!
Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 08:53
Dire Straits' long songs: i.e. Telegraph Road, Private Investigations.
The band is purely into hard/blues-rock category, but there songs are "epics" - they tell a story, and have a structure , which reminds prog epics
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:26
Janne Schaffer is the most well known session guitarist in Sweden. He is not on Progarchives, and of course, the music is pretty straightforward mostly, in the style of rhythmically playful funkfusion. I haven't heard all of his albums though. There's a song on his first album that I really like called Titus. Undoubtedly prog.. Björn J:son Lindh is guest musician on flute. (the other tracks aren't quite like that)
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:36
This is a multi-part punk song that develops several musical themes, and goes through multiple tempo and meter changes, and even has a big dramatic finish. It's a lengthy lyric about how "society" gradually molds little kids into placid, apathetic adults and screws them over whenever they can. Damn I love this song. "From the Cradle to the Grave" by Subhumans. Add a bit more melody (and technique) to the vocalist and insert a few more "virtuoso" musical sections and you've basically got a prog epic here.
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 07:39
Nice Subhumans selection. I used to have Worlds Apart on vinyl. Eventually sold it for beer money....such a dumb young punk I was.
Rurutia - "Pavane"
Rurutia is one of those j-pop singer composers whose output is always a little off kilter from the norm, but sometimes she really goes off the deep end, and that's when she really shines...hitting full on space-rock territory with a voice that's like a French chanteusse singing Japanese lyrics. The last two minutes of this is among the most saddest yet strangely blissful things in my collection.
Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 09:24
Kid A and Amnesiac come to mind.
Posted By: Throw Sand
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 23:53
Prelude/Angry Young Man - Billy Joel
Very complex intro, irregular chords and chord progressions (by conventional standards at least), synth solo... this is arguably the most proggy thing Billy Joel has ever released. I have no problem labeling it as a progressive rock song.
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 06:35
fudgenuts64 wrote:
Kid A and Amnesiac come to mind.
They're not songs.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 06:41
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Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: August 02 2013 at 19:43
aldri7 wrote:
I want (or try to see) prog everywhere I go, and so I'm tempted anytime I really like something, regardless of the genre, to call it "prog" simply because to me it is fresh and inventive and unusual. Like with "Good Vibrations" by the Beach Boys. For its time, it really pushed the boundaries of what was possible.
Anyway, I will wait to hear if others think this is a good idea, or, more likely, if it is covered elsewhere (seems there is probably not much that hasn't been talked about here!)
thanks -
aldri7
I understand and agree with what you're trying to convey that "prog" can be found in almost any genre of music especially when there is something (as you stated) "fresh and inventive and unusual," and "pushed the boundaries of what was possible." I'm glad you mentioned the Beach Boys "Good Vibrations" as I always felt it to be exactly that. Go back a little further to The Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" for that matter. Another example would the 1962 instrumental hit, "Telstar" by The Tornadoes.
A musician friend of mine once told me he even considered Bobbi Gentry's "Ode To Billy Joe" to be Prog because of the song's haunting string arrangement combined with the song's unusual subject matter slightly stretching the style and boundaries of Country Music.
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Posted By: CKnoxW
Date Posted: August 08 2013 at 01:25
Here ya go
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 08 2013 at 21:10
Feeling the Coop would slip in here somewhere:
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 08 2013 at 23:31
Rando wrote:
A musician friend of mine once told me he even considered Bobbi Gentry's "Ode To Billy Joe" to be Prog because of the song's haunting string arrangement combined with the song's unusual subject matter slightly stretching the style and boundaries of Country Music.
I haven't thought of this song in years! I remember my parents hauling me off to Lake Tahoe in the snowy early spring of 1968 and seeing Bobbi Gentry sing this at Harrah's. I never considered that it might have been the first prog concert I ever attended
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 09 2013 at 00:20
Throw Sand wrote:
Prelude/Angry Young Man - Billy Joel
Very complex intro, irregular chords and chord progressions (by conventional standards at least), synth solo... this is arguably the most proggy thing Billy Joel has ever released. I have no problem labeling it as a progressive rock song.
I just took the time to listen to this B.J. thing - personally, the guy has done absolutely ZIP for me - now this particular song in more like it !! The synth solo is soooo Wakeman !! I guess the guy can play............(still doesn't convert me, though).
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 09 2013 at 00:34
Ok I have one!
It's a 20 minute song by Extreme, divided into three parts. The first part is quite symphonic with a beautiful orchestra and the second part has the most stunning guitar playing I ever heard from Nuno Bettencourt.
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: August 10 2013 at 11:25
Jackson-Kent Blues by the Steve Miller Band....a combination of blues and space rock/psychedelic like you've never heard from Steve Miller from probably their best underrated and unheard album "Number 5".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lclU-5uG3w4
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 11 2013 at 21:36
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Rando wrote:
A musician friend of mine once told me he even considered Bobbi Gentry's "Ode To Billy Joe" to be Prog because of the song's haunting string arrangement combined with the song's unusual subject matter slightly stretching the style and boundaries of Country Music.
I haven't thought of this song in years! I remember my parents hauling me off to Lake Tahoe in the snowy early spring of 1968 and seeing Bobbi Gentry sing this at Harrah's. I never considered that it might have been the first prog concert I ever attended
I have seen that tune on some "worst" songs lists, and that always raises hackles with me. They're completely forgetting how innovative and intriguing it was when it was first released. Musically notable for the wonderfully atmospheric string arrangement and lyrically it definitely pushed boundaries, with its storyline that leaves the listener puzzling over why Billie Joe took his life, his relationship with the girl narrating the story, and why her family talks about his suicide almost casually. There was a 1976 movie of the same title, starring Robby Benson and Glynnis O'Connor, which did a serviceable job of fleshing out the story.
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: August 12 2013 at 01:43
Elton John - Funeral for a Friend
The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
The Kinks - Shangrila
The Rolling Stones - 2000 Light Years from Home
Eric Clapton - Layla
Rod Stewart - Maggie May
The Small Faces - Ogden's Nut Gone Flake
Crosby Stills & Nash - Cathedral
The Carpenters - Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft
Posted By: balbulus
Date Posted: August 12 2013 at 03:10
Two great examples of overlooked prog-tinged tracks, both of which are epic closing tracks from debut albums.
The Def Leppard track in particular is surprisingly excellent, and almost excuses them for the dross they became known for peddling later in their career
Posted By: R-A-N-M-A
Date Posted: August 13 2013 at 22:01
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Posted By: R-A-N-M-A
Date Posted: August 13 2013 at 22:17
As you may have noticed, the Steve Miller Band shows up
frequently with this kind of request. I for one motion that they should be up
for consideration for prog-related, but that's just me. Their first album,
Children of the Future, is a good bet, but for my money Brave New World and
Sailor are better. If "Song for Our Ancestors" doesn't belong on our
site, I'm not sure what does. Really though, anything pre-Joker (in no way
prog, but still a stellar track) and also Fly Like an Eagle is worth your time.
Of interest outside of SMB, Daft Punk's latest release, Random Access Memories,
has a lot to offer. The aptly titled "Give Life Back to Music" and
"Touch" are both stellar, but the closer "Contact" is
absolutely phenomenal. If you appreciate good pop music, the rest of the album
is sure-fire as well.
As a Canadian, I have long been a fan and promoter of the music of Sloan. They
are for the most part a tightly wrought power-pop foursome whose fame is seldom
apparent south of the 49th, but every now and then they extend
beyond their usual range. The opening barrages on Between the Bridges and the
Double Cross are reminicent of Todd Rundgren's stream of consciousness melt
down on A Wizard, A True Star. The best of the best is however Never Hear the
End of It, on which 30 tracks are packed into 70 minutes and many songs simply
bleed from one to the next. If you don't think Sloan posses any prog chops I
challenge that assertion with my favourite track of theirs, Fading into
Obscurity.
Also, if you don't listen to the Flaming Lips, you should. Start with the
Soft Bulletin
Very finally, King Tubby, the father of dub (no step). That stuff is high test psychedelic reggae.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: August 14 2013 at 22:12
Always felt the natural segue of "Tourniquet" to "Imaginary" on the Evanescence (2003) album was prog-suite like. For some reason, it has always reminded me of similar songs from Marillion-Fugazi...
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 15 2013 at 21:42
Shawn Phillips – “L” Ballade. Features beautiful orchestral arrangement by Paul Buckmaster.
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: August 17 2013 at 00:51
CKnoxW wrote:
Here ya go
If we're talking 'Elton John,' I would also vote for "Funeral for a Friend" as a prog-inspired mini-suite...
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 08:22
Well, my main band has loads of prog tunes, I even tried to push us to PA, but no one really approved this One more chance - check this!
and one more
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:45
This tune is sexy.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:46
Also great, same drummer Mark Guliana.
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Posted By: Chapo
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 16:04
hm
Muse - Citizen Erased
Anthrax - A.D.I./Horror of it All
Megadeth - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
Engenheiros do Hawaii - Piano Bar
Primus - To Defy the Laws of Tradition
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 29 2013 at 03:49
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: August 29 2013 at 05:28
This is the Life by Living Colour
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6okNaPSRdlI
Wonderland (12" version) by Big Country
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BLbZKGwDQA
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 29 2013 at 09:20
Monster Magnet, being a total 1970s psychedelic hard rock tribute, has a handful of prog-leaning songs too.
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 29 2013 at 18:57
Roy Wood: his first solo record, “Boulders,” is quirky, idiosyncratic and stylistically all over the place, as is the norm for him. The two tracks closest to prog are, IMO, Nancy Sing Me a Song and Dear Elaine, both of which would have fit in on the first ELO album.
Cream: “Wheels of Fire” has several: As You Said, White Room, Passing the Time, Pressed Rat and Warthog, Those Were the Days and my single favorite Cream tune, Deserted Cities of the Heart. From “Disraeli Gears”: Dance the Night Away, World of Pain, Blue Condition. From “Goodbye”: Badge, What a Bringdown, Anyone for Tennis.
But nooo, they can’t even be considered proto-prog around here. Waaaaa……
Moving on…
Al Stewart: Roads to Moscow, Terminal Eyes, Nostradamus, Merlin’s Time, Running Man, On the Border.
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 29 2013 at 23:25
AreYouHuman wrote:
Cream: “Wheels of Fire” has several: As You Said, White Room, Passing the Time, Pressed Rat and Warthog, Those Were the Days and my single favorite Cream tune, Deserted Cities of the Heart. From “Disraeli Gears”: Dance the Night Away, World of Pain, Blue Condition. From “Goodbye”: Badge, What a Bringdown, Anyone for Tennis.
But nooo, they can’t even be considered proto-prog around here. Waaaaa……
Thanks for giving credit to a great band who wrote some first rate songs...unfortunately, most people don't bother to look beyond the radio airplay staples "Sunshine of Your Love" & "White Room"...I consider the songs you listed as belonging in that wonderful primordial prog soup between "Sgt Peppers" and "In the Court of the Crimson King"
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 30 2013 at 02:27
A 20-minute multi-section epic by the French BM group Peste Noire. (several members have also been in Alcest and Amesoeurs) Goes through several tempo shifts, with lots of contrast between acoustic and heavy sections the latter even alternating between radically different riffing styles.
I feel awkward calling a song by a band that politically reactionary "progressive"... but, hey, if Current 93 and Drudkh and Janus can make it unto the site...