Dream Theater Enter Studio to Record 12th album
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Topic: Dream Theater Enter Studio to Record 12th album
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: Dream Theater Enter Studio to Record 12th album
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 11:18
John Petrucci posted some pics. DT entered the studio earlier this week, with new drummer Mike Mangini, to record their anticipated follow-up to A Dramatic Turn of Events, due out in late-summer or early fall 2013. This will be the first album the band will write / have written with a new drummer. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 11:23
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My expectations aren't very high after the last album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 11:34
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why not? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 11:39
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Because it wasn't very good obviously....I hope I am wrong though. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 11:44
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It didn't seem very obvious to me, nor most people. I'll admit it was a safe album, to prove that the band could continue without Portnoy, but some of the music on ADTOE is some of the most exciting since Octavarium the song, or Six Degrees. However, Mangini will have some influence on the music this time, so I'm intrigued.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 12:00
I think it is very obvious that if I say my expectations aren't high after the last album then i think that album is bad. Simple English. You may disagree but you'd be wrong. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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darkshade wrote:Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 12:08
I was taking the "obviously" comment and turning it around. You might have thought the album was good, but disappointing. I didn't know you thought it was bad, which I wouldn't call it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 14:03
Why do you insist on using such language? Why can't you just say something like "it didn't meet my preferences" or simply "I didn't like it"? ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List 
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 14:10
Says the one who bashes every band that's not vanila prog metal. Anyway, I'm excited, I just hope they do something that's not the same thing they've done for the past 3 albums. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 14:43
Well, because when something gets obvious, there's no use in hiding truth beneath hypocrite word constructions. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 14:55
Pot.....kettle........black. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 15:02
I'd say the last album was a step away from what they had been doing the previous two albums. I think DT12 will find the band really letting loose. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 15:18
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I have a strange feeling that the new album will be a concept album ------------- 
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 15:34
Yeah, it's obvious the album sucks...which is why it earned the second highest number of votes for best album of the year on seaoftranquility.org...oh wait...I guess it's not obvious. I guess some people are just sour grapes.... ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 15:46
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Yay! I'm now preparing for my mind to be blown...
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 16:42
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So, the last album, ADTOE, was written with Mike Portnoy? Is he credited with any of the songs on the album even though he obviously didn't play on it? |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 16:59
No, ADTOE was completely sans-Portnoy. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 19:14
Hopefully so. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 22:47
If you are referring to what I said in the original post, I said that DT12 would be the first album the band records WITH Mike Mangini. On the last album, Mangini wasn't there during the writing sessions, and only came into the studio to record his parts. This time, he's there from the get-go, involved in the creative process as well as the recording process WITH the band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: 2112R
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 23:30
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ADTOE was probably one of the best albums the band has produced throughout their career. It ranks highly with Train of Thought, Systematic Chaos, and Scenes Pt: 2. I only imagine Mangini can add to the whole musical experience that is Dream Theater! ------------- "All (the naked man) means is the abstract man against the masses. The red star symbolizes any collectivist mentality." - Neil Peart |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 00:03
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 04:43
so we are supposed to accept any DT album as good just because DT fans online voted it to be good? ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 05:19
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ADTOE was a good album, but didn't bring us anything new at all. -------------
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 07:01
No better example to show that people who have liked DT at any points in their career will never agree with one another. When ToT, Systematic Chaos and ADToE are favorite albums for some it's clear that human brains are wired in many different ways (I concede on Scenes PT 2 which is also one of my favs if not the most, which makes it even more intriguing, how can we agree on one album as a favorite and differ so much on the others is a mystery).
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 09:54
No, but if so many people loved it, then clearly it's not obvious that it sucks. It might still suck. But it's not obvious to everybody. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 10:02
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Many people loved Justin Bieber as well. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 10:17
Those aren't people though. I've noticed Train of Thought being considered one of their best, mostly by the younger generation of fans. To me, I can understand, and that means the band succeeded in staying current with that album (even though it's almost 10 years old now). I wouldn't put it in my DT top 5, but I enjoy it as well. Systematic Chaos though, I'm not sure. Black Clouds is better. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 12:40
I saw ADTOE as a culmination of all their previous work, bringing everything together into one big masterpiece album. We didn't get any new styles or musical directions, but a combination of the best of the previous. The instrumental playing was tighter than ever, the compositions were better than ever, the ballads amazingly good. Because ADTOE kind of wrapped up an era in the band's existence, in my opinion, I'm hoping that the next album will feature them taking a new direction. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:00
Quoted for truth. ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:22
 It's this kind of thing that explains my inactivity on the forums as of late. -------------  |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:48
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:52
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Can i make it clear that I didn't say it was obvious that the last DT album sucked. I said it was obvious from my statement that I thought it wasn't much cop. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:53
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..and I truly hope the new album will be great. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:58
That's why I took a 3 month long break as well. I look forward to the new record, I was pleasantly surprised by ADToE. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: 2112R
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 13:59
Of course it is all a matter of opinion, but does something have to be groundbreaking to be one of the best? I thought ADTOE was a beautiful and well crafted combination of several influences throughout their entire discography. Sure, it was good ol' DT progressive metal, but I just felt after Black Clouds and Silver Linings that is really knocked my socks off. It is a few of a handful of albums I can easily put on repeat. BTW, Coheed and Cambria's Decension.... I CANNOT WAIT ------------- "All (the naked man) means is the abstract man against the masses. The red star symbolizes any collectivist mentality." - Neil Peart |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 14:00
Do you mean my obviously controversial comment or DTGfans reply? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 14:10
DTGfans reply. You gave an opinion. He gave some kind of... musical political correctness...? ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 14:16
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well it is of course impossible for any Dream Theater album to ever be anything but good so.... ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 14:26
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 15:38
No, I showed how you present an opinion as opinion rather than presenting it as fact. ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 15:45
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isn't him saying "it wasn't very good" simply him voicing his opinion? ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 22:52
Good point. I suppose the only things I can say I really disliked about it was the (in my opinion) overuse of angel chorus synth and LaBrie's voice in general. |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 23:07
What didn't you like about Labrie's voice on the album? I thought it was a good performance, appropriately restrained but not stale, and emotional without being too try-hardy. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 23:24
His vocals just aren't interesting enough to me. He has an awesome range, certainly, but it's just a bit *too* clean. Not quite metal-sounding enough. (If that makes any sense.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 05:36
I didn't present it as fact. I am aware that some fans like the album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 05:40
I didn't actually call it bad. It isn't bad. Just a bit tired and boring. Yes I was disappointed so I think the "not very good" is apt. Sorry for coming off as a bit of an arse in my reply to you. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 09:34
Hence why it's not obvious that he sucks. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 09:44
Oh, I think it is... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 09:58
Not really this that has kept me away from this site in general for a few months, but I understand what you are saying. There has been other stuff keeping me away.
Anyhow, back on topic. ADTOE was for ME a disappointment..but after lamenting on that for awhile, I am not surprised. There was way too much turmoil going on for them to say they gave it 100%..I still think they should have heeded part of Portnoy's message and taken a break from recording. The album has many songs that just don't do anything for me. For me its at best a 4-song album....the others are truely filler.
"lets hurry up record it....print it, press it..ship it and go on tour before people notice that we had a huge disruption!!"
As with any album I look forward to what they come up with and judgement will happen only then.....I mean for all I know they could be planning a country/progmetal album.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 12:53
You can think that all you want, but it's not true. If it were obvious, there wouldn't be so many people who disagree. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 12:57
Screw them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 16:29
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 16:48
Your entire argument is based on one word that he used in the sentence. Give it up before you embarrass yourself. ADToE was a safe album and a typical Dream Theater album which is why I hated it. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 19:41
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In words of Henry Plainview Nobody cares ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:17
| I was rather a bit disapointed with the last album. It did have all the elements that have made previous DT albums brilliant (plus some of those elements that could make them not so brilliant), but in the end I guess that's it's very flaw. It's just more of the same. For 3 or 4 albums that might be good, but after 11 albums, perhaps it's a bit too much. Plus, most important, even though most of it's songs may be very good, they just aren't as good as their best songs from previous albums. I might say the songs sound uninspired. I really hope Mangini really gets into the writing process (and that he proves himself up to the task), I guess a bit of new perspective could do the band a lot of good. Also, I wish they would make the album shorter, and stick to the very best they can come up with, without trying to fill the 80 min that a CD can hold. I have found that even though I really love DT and have an enormous amound of music that I enjoy, there's no one single album that I would call a masterpiece, and that's because on every album there's an important amount of songs that I don't care for. However, I have also noticed that for most of their albums I could easily chose over 40 min of music at least that I love, and if those albums only had those songs they would all be masterpieces for me (and the only album that has a whole CD that I love is a double album, and I don't really care for the other CD). |
Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:22
Well written.  This is exactly how I feel about the last album. And you seem to have taken the words right out of my mouth about the length of the album. I'd much rather see them do a 50 minute album this time round, where the quality of the music is consistently good. -------------
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:57
Of course, the problem would be to choose the best 50 min from each album. Specially where DT is concerned, I have found that the favourite songs from one fan are the least liked by another, and so on. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 00:18
He was asserting his opinion. If you make your opinion sound too much like an opinion it won't sound very strong. By stating his opinion the way he did, his thoughts on the album are very clear. Stop taking everything so personally about Dream Theater. They are a band. They aren't worth it. I would never be this protective of a band I like and I love some bands. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 10:26
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Why?
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 12:05
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Well, sticking to the topic, I will be interested to hear what they come up with and if Mangini's input makes any difference. Honestly, I'd be surprised if anything changed at all. My opinion (please don't make me repeat this in a reply) is that the last album was generic DT. This, of course, doesn't mean "bad", just boring. There was very little in that album that grabbed me, and I find it hard to pay attention to it all the way through. Of course, I'm not really much of a prog metal fan so my opinion may not be relevant in that regard. However, DT have managed to interest me enough over the years to pick up nearly all their albums, and a few I still enjoy listening to from time to time. The last album was not one of them (for me it's 6 Degrees and Octavarium.........actually, Black Clouds would have been one too if not for the horrid lyrics that make it really hard for me to take it seriously at all). I will agree with whoever said that LaBrie performed well on ADToE........he has annoyed me in the past, and one of the strongest points of this album is that he sings quite well on it. Anyway, I will certainly be interested to see where they go with this new one. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 13:05
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The reason ADTOE was a little safe was to show the fans that the band could still write great DT music without Portnoy. However, I think the next album will be more important, because if it doesn't push their sound forward and continue to do "more of the same", I feel a lot of fans will lose much interest in the band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 12:45
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It is official. DREAM THEATER are set to release their new album SEPTEMBER 23rd, 2013!
Now, my question is what can we expect? Dream Theater have made it abundantly clear that, as a band, they are shifting into new direction with drummer Mike Mangini, so much so the new album will be self titled DREAM THEATER to represent all things that are truly dream theater. The band now feels the time is right to have a self titled album due to the nature of what the new album will represent. Clearly this is a special time in DT history, so of course my question to all you fellow proggers and fans, what can we expect and possibly hope for? Here is the official link. Sorry that you most likely will have to copy/paste it, since I do not have a PC at this time. 
http://www.progrockmag.com/news/dream-theater-announce-new-album-details/ ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 13:21
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September 23rd release date!
Now I've noticed in this for page thread that people keep talking about the last album (ADTOE) instead of actually divulging critical thought towards the NEW DIRECTION that Dream Theater will ultimately be taking. Anyway. Let's not about ADTOE any longer and give insight to possible DT inceptions for a self titled release: DREAM THEATER. :) I also started a forum specifically related to this topic. Come join in on the fun. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 13:31
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Here's what we know so far: - The album will be self-titled - Mike Mangini was heavily involved in the writing process - The album has at least one instrumental - There is a "Opening" track - The album will have an epic (or a very epic sounding song) - There is a symphony orchestra on the album, possibly on every track - The guitars must sound like chocolate cake ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 13:42
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Sounds encouraging. Now with the DT plight of going off in this new, direction they are speaking off I hope DT don't end up sounding ultra modern like RIVERSIDE or something. Not saying I'm worried, but I think this album may be dramatically different, especially if the guitars sound like chocolate cake!! Lol ill have a piece of that PETRUCCI pie. Lol ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 14:41
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I have mixed feelings about this news. while I like DT they have been treading water for a few albums. I think they need a new, outside producer to cut down on their needless noodling and work on songcraft. Since John Petrucci is producing again, I think we can expect more of the same DT. It's unfortunate as I think they have the talent to make a brilliant prog album, not just prog metal. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 15:15
I thought ADTOE was a step in the right direction, as far as crafting the music to be more than just noodle-fests, and a barrage of heavy riffs. It was a tighter album than the previous 2 MP dominated albums. Based on the recent YouTube videos, I have a strong suspicion that the metal factor in their music had dropped considerably, and the prog factor has been increased. I'm sure there will be heavy moments, as with all their albums, but it may be more in line with SFAM, SDOIT, ADTOE, and 8VM (with the orchestra and all.) The band can obviously make great prog classics, each album since SDOIT, regardless of your preferences, have all had at least one really progressive song on it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 15:17
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I'd love a DT album that was drastically different from previous albums.
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 16:11
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^I think it would be cool to hear some jazzy stuff on the album; not "let me dazzle you with my soloing wizardry" jazz but stuff that incorporates some of the harmonic intricacy and groove you find in jazz and transplants it into a progressive metal context. With an orchestra.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 16:16
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Its all on-line posting fluff by Petrucci.......the proof is in the pudding (not cake, though I luv cake..), when the album comes out of the oven....The judging will then begin. I like that they chose a self-titled album But it needs to be brilliant! -------------
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 23:29
Yeah. Bring back the saxophone like in ANOTHER DAY, but more edgy. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 23:31
You gonna buy it on vinyl? I bet ya are. It is a bigger cake then a cd. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 23:32
Yeah. Train of thought to Octavarium. That was a nice switch. Wow. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 03:30
Oh no for f**k's sake Noooooooooooo! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 03:39
Oh, I totally second that cry of despair! If they approach any sax playing like so many prog bands did in the 70's, where it was wild, exciting and dirty, played like the instrument should be, we might be fine. I don't think I could stand any more drippy, schmaltzy soft-jazz sax like on that track. It's that sort of stuff why so many people instantly write the instrument off completely. 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 03:46
Your hands are really itching to get hold of a copy of that album, ain't that true?  Just let the band do their thing and come out with a present that you may or may not like. You'll ruin the fun of it. 
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 12:00
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Yeah. I know the Saxaphone bit will definitely not make its wonderful appearance on the new album, but I guess overall I've wondered what an amped up version of ANOTHER DAY would sound like.
My guilty pleasure I guess seeing as how I'm making some people cry with my love for the sax on ANOTHER DAY. It is a great song. Sorry guys. It is. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Cthulhu42
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 12:02
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Looking forward to this; I really loved ADTOE, so I have high hopes for this one. Also, I like the sound of chocolate-cake guitars. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:30
CARELESS WHISPER, SEETHER STYLE ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 16:15
Agreed. By "Jazzy" I didn't mean "with sax!" Although it would be pretty awesome if they could get what's-his-face from VdGG to make an appearance on the album. I actually like Another Day, though. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 02:43
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Sorry but as technically proficient as the guys are, DT are very weak at trying to be jazzy, even their fusion attempts (LTE etc) do not succeed IMO in incorporating real jazzy elements, they are more like prog-metal jamming with prominent keyboards. I think the most jazzy member DT has ever had was Derek Sherinian. And of course, a sax solo like Another Day has nothing of jazzy... |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 11:41
An album long piece that will drive Snow Dog crazy? Nahhhhh ... that band can only do songs now! Concepts are gone! Snow Dog's prediction is more than safe. Probably accurate! Or as the old radio folks used to say ... MOS ... more of the same! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 09:08
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Well, I find self titling and album to be lazy. If it really is a totally new and different album from DT, which I find a near impossibility since Pettruci is once again producing, then I guess I could see why they'd do that. No, it sounds to me like they are simply trying to make a "pure" DT album..........in other words, more of the same. Of course, I'm not the biggest fan of the band, and it's all just my opinion. As usual, it's all just idle speculation until the album is out and we put our ears to it. My personal expectations are not high, so they won't have to try too hard to please me........just do something, anything, different. Heck, if they just made something along the lines of 6 Degrees (the song) or Octavarium, I wouldn't even care if it wasn't new or different |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 10:00
Well, your right about the last part where ANOTHER DAY sax solo doesn't constitute as jazz or even 'jazzy' for That matter. The saxophone is known to be a prominent Jazz instrument, but it all depends on how it's played in relation to the music given to be called or considered 'jazz.' I was wrong to say Dream Theater might incorporate some 'jazzy elements' like in the song ANOTHER DAY. I guess now my feeling is that when I hear the song Another day it's like a post/jazz song where traditional jazz music are not used in vein for the sound of jazz, that which it embodies....typically. Also, have you heard Liquid Trio experiment?? It's Portnoy, Levin and Ruddess. You can be sure that's jazz. Really good too. Even have jazzy stereo typical titles to their songs. Anyway. It's jazz. Far more than LTE ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 10:04
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He mentioned LTE in the same post. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 10:20
Oh i made a mistake. I mean their is Liquid Tension experiment and Liquid Trio experiment. Wasn't sure if he was referring to both or just Tension. I classify them as different. Not the same band. Just want to be sure. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 10:29
| I was referring to Liquid Tension, I have not heard the Liquid Trio album, I always thought it would be something like half-baked LTE rehearsals / jams. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 10:44
You know the third track "914" on LTE2? It's an album of tracks like that, obviously with variations, which Petrucci was not a part of because he left the studio when his wife went into labor. It's a fun listen once in a while, but I don't pull it out often compared to LTE1, LTE2, or Live In NYC. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 10:56
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I will say another thing.
I think we all should really examine the word 'different.' As we know, there are so many varying degrees of what can be classified as a difference or a degree of difference like temperate, moderate or even slightly you be a word used to be thrown in front of the word.....difference. Anyway, my point is that DT are using the word different very loosely in my opinion saying that their next album will be something different. let's just ask a couple of questions to sort out what will Truely be different. Will The new album be different sounding? Absolutely. Will the album be a different style or even an incorporation of different styles?? My opinion. No. And it's this question that get a lot of people confused when they hear DT say yeah are album will be completely different from our last. To be clear, in my opinion of course, the album will be different sounding but not a different style. Dream Theater are a true Progressive Metal band and they established themselves as that. I think at this point their is no turning back. Dream Theater are loudly and proudly prog metal and sometimes a little symphonic at times. I don't ever see them becoming something they are not like mixing or fusing other genres to their music like jazz, zeuhl, psyche Rock or even electronic to the point where any if those genres would be 'prominent' in their overall sound. Dream Theater are an incredible band because they have explored a certain sub genre of music (prog metal) to its core and true depths. I respect that. I respect that so very much and I think at this point, for all they have done musically with in the genre, it would be extreamly difficult to find a way of creating a far different sound from what music they have been producing for the last 8 years. Can we say the water well is finally running dry? Maybe, but I sure love the brand of music they bring typical or not to my ears. I'm sure the next album will be quality with in the realm of what they Truely know how to do....that is....of course....produce thee most awesome prog metal that I've ever heard. One last thing. I was stupid to say that i hope they incorporate some saxophone like they did in Another day. I'm a moron for saying that. I just have to 'get over' my deep affinity and love for the Images and Words album. I mean Christ, Another day is a song they did almost 25 years ago and have they brought back the saxophone in a song since? No. They have not and their is a reason for that. It was a one time thing for the sake and character of the album they were making with I&W's. I thought it was a huge success, Another Day....meh I just gotta get over my own sh*t. It's in the past. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 11:05
Great! Pick it up! It's not half fast at all. Let me know what you think of it when you can. To me, it's by far the the most true jazz sounding effort from the likes of Rudess and Portnoy. Levin's already ventured deeply in the jazz territory as you know already with K.C ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 11:18
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Don't forget about Liquid Trio Experiment 2 - When The Keyboard Breaks: Live In Chicago. Petrucci, Portnoy and Levin perform live after Rudess' keyboard broke down. He winds up coming back to play guitar, while Petrucci plays bass, and Levin plays chapman stick. Also, the drummer from Anthrax comes out for a song, while Portnoy plays bass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Keyboard_Breaks:_Live_in_Chicago" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Keyboard_Breaks:_Live_in_Chicago ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 11:31
Of course I will buy the vinyl version if they issue one, I tend to be a completist on vinyl......Since that is my preferred method of listening. -------------
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 11:33
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^ yup. Solid mention as well. At least we know just how capable the members and ex members of DT are at infusing quality jazz traditions into their prog rock/metal sound. They can even do Jazz all by its beautiful self.
Oh hey, Darkshade, what did you think of the Rudess/Pefrucci release of "an evening with Petrucci and Rudess?' I thought it was excellent. Furia Taurina is an amazing instrumental. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 11:37
Yup. You will have it. Deluxe boxset will be available. Think it will include high cd and vinyl. ;) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 12:06
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I really like Evening With JP & JR, I enjoy the mellow vibe, good for rainy days. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 12:10
 rainy days. Nice. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 10 2013 at 12:48
| Thanks, will try to grab Liquid Trio. I have also An Evening With Petrucci and Rudess and I enjoyed it, although I have to admit that like so many other albums in my collection in rarely gets a new spin... |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 11 2013 at 10:32
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^ oh sounds like someone's prog collection is getting big. :)
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Posted By: Second Life Syndrome
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 14:17
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I have to admit: Not excited about DT at all. They introduced me to prog, but I left them behind many years ago. ------------- theprogmind.com |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 20:02
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Yea you got a much better band as your name and avatar :] ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |