The Frank Zappa 2012 Re-Issues
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Posted By: darkshade
Subject: The Frank Zappa 2012 Re-Issues
Date Posted: November 06 2012 at 21:51
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Anyone get any of the new Zappa reissues that have been coming out this year? I'm curious to hear what your opinions on them are. Some are worth getting, some aren't if you already have the Rykodisc versions. If fact, this site has all the info you need on the reissues (and more). Here: http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/" rel="nofollow - http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/ I just bought the new and improved Sleep Dirt, which is the original vinyl version on CD; no more annoying female vocals that were added to the Ryko version 10 years after the original album came out. I'll let you guys know how it is after I listen to it.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 06 2012 at 22:04
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From what I can gather (mostly from reading that website) the ones worth rebuying are: Hot Rats Filmore East Sleep Dirt I'll get to buying them eventually. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: November 06 2012 at 22:06
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I'll only be getting a handful - Waka/Jawaka, Bongo Fury, Sheik Yerbouti (I have on vinyl already, but would like the CD) - I though his stuff was going out of print for good, so I freaked and bought a ton of Zappa albums between late 2011 and early 2012.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 06 2012 at 22:11
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Waka/JaWaka and The Grand Wazoo seem worth getting as it seems the overall sound is better, the horns sound fuller and the added reverb to the Ryko versions is gone. Absolutely Free seems like it has better sound as well, and Hot Rats is the original vinyl mix, which I don't believe I've ever heard. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: November 06 2012 at 22:15
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^ Original vinyl mix of Hot Rats? Wow.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 01:09
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I picked up the reissue of Sheik Yerbouti a few weeks back, sounds good to me.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 09:46
These reissues were needed for a long time, and it's great to see they're finally here. Among the highlights:
Sadly, in some cases reverting back to the vinyl mix means that content is lost. As much as appreciate the fact that Weasels Ripped My Flesh now doesn't sound like total crap, it also cuts half of "Didja Get Any Onya?", which was incidentally my favorite part of the whole album. And don't even get me started on the lack of piano in Hot Rats' "Little Umbrellas". |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 12:11
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WOWIE ZOWIE! Sleep Dirt blew me away. I have heard all the songs that are on Lather, but to hear them packaged like this together is great. I had listened to the vocals-version of SD once or twice 6 years ago when I first got into Zappa, but that’s it. I forgot how jazzy this album is, probably his jazziest album. This was like listening to a brand new Zappa album, something I haven’t experienced in some time. I still think Lather is FZ’s magnum opus, but there are worthwhile things here besides these songs being together. The mix is crystal clear, extended versions of some songs, and you get the title track which isn’t on Lather. This album is also contains rare appearances of acoustic guitar and acoustic bass on most of these tunes. GET THIS ONE!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 13:02
Hmm...perhaps You Are and Shiek should be added to my list... ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 08 2012 at 20:51
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The 2012 reissued Sleep Dirt amazed me so much I ordered 4 more FZ reissues on Amazon (Hot Rats, Chunga’s Revenge, Roxy & Elsewhere, and One Size Fits All), and even stopped by my record store and picked up Over-Nite Sensation. Let me tell you, other fans who’ve reviewed these new reissued albums are NOT exaggerating at how good they sound. I listened to O-NS, then listened to each track one by one, comparing each to the older version I have, and I now think the old version sounds so weak and flat. The new reissued Over-Nite Sensation (which is from the original analog source) sounds full, warm, with lots of punch from the drums, and the bass can really be felt. I can’t listen to the old version again. I can’t wait until more of the “new” Zappa albums arrive!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 09 2012 at 03:47
| Well, Roxy & Elsewhere is identical to the old CD. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 10 2012 at 11:29
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I know, though someone on the Zappateers forum said the new one is mastered a little better (maybe louder) than the old one. Also, even though they said it's the same, another person at Zappateers said the We're Only In It For The Money is slightly different. Roxy is my long-term favorite FZ album, so I don't mind owning another copy, at least for the sake of an organized Zappa collection. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 10 2012 at 12:27
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I've bought so many Zappa reissues I am done for now. Oh a side note if you don't have Baby Snakes you should get a copy :)
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 10 2012 at 17:08
I don't know about the people at Zappateers, but as the back cover clearly indicates, these discs use the exact same masters as the old discs. They're digitally identical.
Fair enough. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 11 2012 at 12:34
Same.
All in all, though, I have never thought that the music remastered, anywhere, by anyone, has been better than what I heard inside my head. I have yet to find that one, and I think that Godot is hiding somewhere out there.
I live for the visuals that the music have, and as such, these do change, but in general they are similar ... one instrument 5ft from me with reverb, instead of 100ft without reverb, but with compression and masterreverberation, does not change the visual that much ... it might if it was a lawnmower going from the left ear to the right ear ... but it coming towards me? ... hmmmm !!!!!
All in all, so far, there has not been anything that was worth picking up that was any different to me.
But it was NICE, and WORTH it, to finally get the stuff that I was missing and such ... remastered or not.
Between you and I, I have become totally tired, and sick and tired, and disgusted, with the waste of time and money in some of these "remasters". I can handle a live concert getting cleaned up ... for example ... so that now we can hear it better, and not have it sound like the bootlegs did in those old days ... but I don't see Pink Floyd going over 50 very famous bootlegs ... and the fact that one ear in specific forced them to show the original material that would have been the next album that was NOT. And I do not see the worth of hearing 50 Rolling Stones boots. But there were 50 Led Zeppelin bootlegs worth listening to ... and Jimmy made sure he messed them up good to confuse you with "How The West Was Won".
The only reissues I would want to hear again? The old Grateful Dead jams ... because they were one of the most important things in the early psychedelia that led to "progressive" ... many think that they were too stoned and that the players weren't good enough to do anything during those jams, and that would be incorrect for the most part.
The rest? ...
There is better music out there, though I would have to state that the biggest issue with the Zappa Trust is not the music itself ... it is that they are stuck on the guitar God thing, and they do not know music from their holes, and in the end, the stuff that is in the vaults they do not know how to classify, and would show that Frank was one of the greatest composers of music in American history ... that out of those long pieces, many songs came up and out of it. But we, in America, have no music taste ... and the lady in charge is a rock'n'roller, and was married to a guitar God, not a musician that composed music! And sadly, the son has become the ultimate garage band ... getting blown away by people that really love music, instead of merely playing the notes!
Sorry ... as much as I love the music by this person, it's hard to appreciate the continuous re-releases of everything ... how many different versions of tres culos do we need? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 11 2012 at 12:59
| These reissues are different from the ones that you see from artists like Pink Floyd. There are two reasons for this reissue campaign: First, the entire had been out of print for some time, so people who are new to Zappa wouldn't have had a chance to hear his music otherwise. And second, these reissues removed all the ill-advised modifications Zappa made to his albums in the 80s and 90s, like rerecording rhythm tracks and slapping tons of digital reverb on anything. I understand your problems with the "reissue craze" of certain artists, but in this case it was absolutely necessary. |
Posted By: dunwich
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 00:15
| Yeah I'm more a fan of this so I can grab the albums that had become so hard to find in Aus recently, and now at a reasonably cheaper cost, as opposed to the King Crimson masters which make things uber gorgeous. I got Ship Arriving To Late To Save A Drowning Witch today for $17 as opposed to the usual $25+ I'd been finding them...which when you a Zappaphile, adds up over the albums to be a metric f***ton of money. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 13 2012 at 10:58
You sure?
I had 18 versions of Echoes!
16 versions of Atom Heart Mother!
12 versions of One of These Days!
At least 6 versions of Astronomy Domine!
And the bootlegs show you why and how Pink Floyd grew ... up to and including the sound effects thing, Which kinda shows you that in the early days, the sound effects PROBABLY were used in between songs to help setup the new effects that they needed ... for the next piece. By the time DSOTM came out, a lot of the effects that were used were already in sync by the main board, which also controlled some of the effects used ... !!! You can not get this idea from their albums ... at all!!!!! But the sequence, in the bootlegs tells a much better, clearer, and wayyyyyy more interesting story!
In Frank Zappa's case, what is being re-issued is worthless and minor in the expansion, understanding and explanation of the musical man behind it all! The Zappa Trust is not capable, willing, or interested in letting people see, the rest of the stuff that is available in there, because all they know is the rock star stuff and the guitar god stuff! ... and the orchestra stuff and the rest of the warmups that were also recorded, will never be heard ... because those folks do not know how to name it, or catalogue it ... and it's not quite the rock radio stuff either!
It's almost like saying that a new found Mozart or Stravinsky is going to change the course of the world of music and where it is going ... the sun still comes up and so does the moon! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 13 2012 at 15:56
That's all fine and dandy. But what does this have to do with either the reissue campaigns of Zappa or Pink Floyd?
And that's not the point behind these reissues! The point is to make the catalog available again as it existed originally (i.e. before Zappa messed with it in the 80s). Without these reissues, all Zappa albums would be unavailable now.
Explain to me the existence of ZFT releases like Everything Is Healing Nicely and Feeding the Monkies at Ma Maison then. Your assertion that the ZFT is only interested in Zappa the rock star and Zappa the guitar god is plain false. Their posthumous releases encompass all aspects of Zappa's work. Including the orchestra stuff and whatever you mean by "warmups".
I don't see any connection between this and anything I said. I was talking about reissuing previously released material so that it's still available to people in 2012. I wasn't talking about new music at all. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: November 13 2012 at 19:31
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Might as well chime in. I have the bulk of the Ryko remasters. I'm not about to buy them again, since I have all the vinyl up through Joe's Garage. So when I hear a statement to the effect that this or that remaster sounds like the original Chunga's or whatever, I don't care because I can always go back and hear the original Chunga's. The exception was getting Greasy Love Songs. which restored Ruben & The Jets to its original glory. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 22 2012 at 13:16
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For the last couple of weeks I have been almost exclusively listening to Zappa, and I've purchased a bunch of the reissues. Here's the rundown of what I've heard so far: Hot Rats: Original vinyl mix. I am so used to the Ryko re-mix version, I wasn't sure if I liked the vinyl mix or not. It's like having two different albums now. Each version has it's pros and cons, so I'd like to think that I can choose depending on what I'm in the mood for. I think I like the Ryko re-mix for the first 3 tunes, which have louder horns and counter melodies are better heard, and the second half is better with the original vinyl mix, since there is more improv, and the instruments sound more eqaully mixed. Chunga's Revenge: Vinyl mix. Sounds cleaner and clearer. Not a lot to say about it, but I've grown more appreciative of this album since I got the re-release of it. Waka-Jawaka: This one is a great upgrade. The sound is, again, from the vinyl mix, and it sounds dry with no reverb added like before, and the horns have a nice punch to them. Over-Nite Sensation: Vinyl mix again. Sooooo much better than the Ryko version, which sounded flat and low volume. Here, the keys have a nice raunchy sound. the bass is louder and can be felt much more, and the drums don't sound muffled anymore. The overall sound is better, great upgrade. Roxy & Elsewhere: Same as the old Ryko CDs. One Size Fits All: Vinyl mix. Similar description I gave for Over-Nite Sensation can be applied to this album. Bongo Fury: Vinyl mix. Sounds raunchier than before. Everything is clear, especially the guitar; and the bass has a little more oomph to it. Sleep Dirt: Vinyl mix. Yes, I said, vinyl mix. That means, no annoying female lounge vocals. Need I say more? Well, the sound is a little better too, at least in comparing their Lather counterparts. Joe's Garage: Vinyl mix. This one REALLY surprised me. The rhythm section is vastly improved. It's much louder and clearer than the Ryko CDs. You can actually hear the slap and pop from Arthur Barrow's bass, and Vinny's drums have never sounded better. I always thought it was hard to hear what he was playing behind the drum set on older versions; but here, it's crystal clear, and makes the album sound a hell of a lot better. It doesn't seem like the rest of the audio is much different, maybe a little clearer too. But the improved sound of the rhythm section is more than enough to make this an essential buy. The version of "Joe's Garage" is a little bit different than the older CD versions, in one of the verses, but it's very small. Meets the Mothers of Prevention: Sounds the same as the old Ryko versions to me. I've grown more appreciative of this album since I got the re-release of it. Jazz From Hell: Sounds the same as the old Ryko versions to me. I've grown more appreciative of this album since I got the re-release of it. I've got Absolutely Free, The Grand Wazoo, Apostrophe ('), Shiek YerBouti, and Ship Arriving Too Late to Save A Drowning Witch coming in the mail soon as well. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 22 2012 at 18:35
??? The vinyl mix has four minutes less improv than the CD and it completely omits certain instruments from "Little Umbrellas". |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 22 2012 at 23:06
Sorry, I worded that wrong. I meant the second half has more improv than the first half, which is more composed than it seems, and with that the jamming works better, especially in Gumbo Variations, the violin really rips. It's not omitted, but the piano in Little Umbrellas is more in the background, with the bass more up front, and I think it sounds cooler. I also prefer how the horns are mixed in Son of Mr. Green Genes on the remix over the vinyl. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 00:33
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Got a few more in the mail yesterday. Here's the rundown: Absolutely Free: No more added reverb, sounds nice. The instruments sound clearer. I didn't hear too big a difference, it's probably more noticeable on headphones though. The Grand Wazoo: I took a risk, and luckily, my copy was not messed up as others online have been reporting. This one was a big upgrade, similar to Waka/Jawaka. No more added reverb, the bass is cranked up a little, and the overall sound is dryer, crisper, and man, the horns are more evenly spread out across the sonic plane. Apostophe ('): This one was interesting. Like Hot Rats, this one was reissued as the vinyl mix, which is not the same as most Apostrophe (') CDs. It gets really loud sometimes, and then really soft. Some instruments seemed louder than other versions, and the vocals were mixed a little differently, I think. Increased bass and drum levels, similar to ON-S and OSFA. Sheik YerBouti: One of the best albums to be reissued in the FZ catalog. EVERYTHING sounds better! EVERYTHING! The right channel has been fixed, and the band sounds so much fuller, and more intense. The guitars are crunchier, and the drums are just in your face. I'm So Cute now has the full edit, which adds 2 more minutes to the album. This is a HUGE upgrade, much like Joe's Garage. Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch: The ZFT said this was the same as the Ryko version, but to my ears, the sound is much clearer, possibly mastered a little louder too. This is also my favorite 80s Zappa studio album. Get these guys. You'll want to talk about them as much as I do once you do. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Aquiring the Taste
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 05:38
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The RYCO C.D.s are the ones that, in my collection, sound consistantly awfull, when compared to other C.Ds and Vinyl. ------------- Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905 |
Posted By: Canterzeuhl
Date Posted: December 04 2012 at 08:27
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Darkshade, you're a person with a reasonably prolific rate of Zappa absorbtion. Name the top 5 remasters.
If you include Sleep Dirt, make it top 6, I already have that remaster. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:15
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Got a whole new batch over the last couple of weeks. I'm going to be slowing down my rate of getting these reissues, as I bought about 24 albums in less than a month (not counting non-Zappa albums). Studio Tan: Never owned this album, never felt like it since I have Lather. This version of Studio Tan is the vinyl version which is an upgrade for anyone with an older CD. This means Greggary Peccary is about 30 seconds longer, featuring an ending that Ive never heard before. I was hesitant to get this because of aforementioned reasons, but this was a great buy, and provides an accessible amount of music from Lather without having to the entire 3 hour event. You Are What You Is: This was a great upgrade. The sound is cleaner, and I can hear harmonies and some lyrics that I couldn't really hear on older CD versions. Some editing errors have been fixed, and like most of the other reissues, I've been rediscovering this album's greatness, especially the second half. Baby Snakes: Never owned this album, but I had the movie. This isn't the entire concert, more like a 'selections" from it, but I forgot how fun this album is. I mostly wanted this because I find the versions here of Punky's Whips, Dinah-Moe Humm, and Tittie's N Beer hilarious. London Symphony Orchestra Vol. I and II: Never owned this album, and maybe only truly listened once or twice in the past. Lots of people online sa this album is bad, but I beg to differ: it's quite interesting to listen to. The reissue campaign has really allowed me to try his classical and synclavier stuff again, and I've been really appreciating those pieces a lot more lately. The LSO album contains a lot of very nervous-sounding modern classical music, some familiar, some new. Apparently the master here is the best ever on CD. Boulez Conducts Zappa: The Perfect Stranger: Never owned this album, nor have I ever heard this one before (I think). More classical, warmer sound, open, almost ambient pieces, and the synclavier pieces are interesting. I think his later synclavier pieces are better, but these are cool too. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The sound seems to be a little better to me. It doesn't sound like the microphones were far away from the band, as I had interpreted the sound to be on the Ryko version. Here, it's warm, and full. The keys are more up front, and I haven't listened to this album in a long time, so I've been rediscovering it's greatness. The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life: I had to get some '88 band albums. Neither this, nor Make A Jazz Noise Here, seem much different than the older versions, though this album has different artwork (the original, but without the band photo). The sound might be a little clearer I think. Make A Jazz Noise Here: Same as TBBYNHIYL, but some editing errors have been corrected, such as the transition from "When Yuppies Go To Hell" to "Fire and Chains"; the latter doesn't start at the end of the former, which was a complete screw-up from the Ryko discs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:23
I'll do one even better, a top 10. Keep in mind, this list only represents what I think are the best remasters, like the sound is improved, etc... Some albums are the same as older versions, so they sound just as good (or bad) on these reissued copies. I also haven't heard ALL the reissued Zappa albums yet. 1. One Size Fits All 2. Sheik YerBouti 3. Sleep Dirt 4. Joe's Garage 5. Over-Nite Sensation 6. The Grand Wazoo 7. Waka / Jawaka 8. Apostrophe (') 9. You Are What You Is 10. Hot Rats Honorable mention: Chunga's Revenge
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:41
| I would actually put Chunga's Revenge on top, because the old CD was absolutely drowning in reverb. I've seen lots of people (including myself) say that they've gained a new appreciation for that album after listening to the remaster. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 04 2012 at 17:40
I also gained a new appreciation for CR, but it's still an album where it seemed Frank was unsure of where to take his music next. But after thinking about it, I maybe should have put it a little higher in my list, though I don't think it can beat the top 5 or 6. Those albums sound a hell of a lot better, and are better albums (IMO) than Chunga's.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 05 2012 at 02:52
| Oh, I thought you ranked them by improvement from the previous CD. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 12:05
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Here's the next batch: Zappa in New York: Some people online have been saying it's the same source as the older CDs, but the to me, it sounds a little clearer, but then again, this album always sounded really good. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1: Sounds like the older CDs as well, although I also think this one sounds a little better (maybe louder), and I much prefer the packaging of 2 CDs in one single jewel case (as all of FZ's double albums have been). Them or Us: Digital glitches have been fixed, and the overall sound is very good. There is no extended cut of the title track, so you may want to hang on to your old copy of this album if that bothers you. Burnt Weeny Sandwich: This one sounds amazing! The album has been reverted back to the original vinyl, so that means no more reverb that Frank added to this album in the 80s. It sounds very warm, and the instruments sound very clear, not to mention I've always thought this was one of Frank's better albums. Broadway the Hard Way: Same comments I made about the other two '88 band albums. I believe there is some studio work on this one, as opposed to the other two which are completely live with no overdubs). I don't believe there is much differences between this one and older copies, except that it sounds just a little clearer, and maybe louder, but this was originally recorded digitally, so not much differences can be made. Fillmore East - June 1971: This album is another vast improvement. No more digital reverb, the sound mastering makes it sound a lot better, and Willie The Pimp Part Two has been restored to the tracklisting, so this one is essential. I've come to re-appreciate this album, being I never gave the Flo and Eddie albums a good chance, and forgot how much this album seems like such a stoner album. Great upgrade anyway. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 13:04
I did. The other ones were improved that much more. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 16:32
| I don't think any of the other albums sounded that awful to begin with (maybe excluding Sleep Dirt if you hate the vocals). The old mix of Chunga's Revenge is completely unbearable. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:02
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This isn't the right place to put this, so I don't mean to hijack the thread but... What is the deal with the recently released FZ cd Finer Moments? I've seen no hubbub about it (here/the internet/fz.com) and unlike all recent things released by fz family trust it is available commercially. So what is this? It's not a complete concert, it's not a compilation (as far as I know), it just seems to be. Any info on this? Any idea if more things like this are planned for the future? ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:12
The Zappa Family Trust is VERY bad at giving information for upcoming new Zappa releases. From what I've read online at zappa.com's forum, and other sites, Finer Moments is this: A new Frank Zappa album, that the man himself compiled and intended to release during his lifetime, and for some reason, probably his label at the time, couldn't release. The music, as far as I know, is from the early 70s of Zappa's career. There is a lot of new material here (either completely brand new, or different version of previously released song). There are some overlaps, though, which are: Mozart Sonata - shorter edit on YCDTOSA 5 You Never Know Who Your Friends Are - may be a longer edit of "Harmonica Fun" from Mystery Disc Uncle Rhebus - alternate edit of "King Kong" from The Ark The Big Squeeze - same as Lost Episodes There Is No Heaven... - alternate edit of "You Call That Music?" from YCDTOSA 4 Skweezit - same as Mystery Disc The Subcutaneous Peril - alternate edit of material from Carnegie Hall I wasn't sure if I wanted to get it myself, but after some info came in, it's moved up as a possible addition to my Zappa collection whenever I get around to it. Also, my local shop has copies of Finer Moments, and it's also available on Amazon, and I think at Zappa.com, so I don't know what you mean by the album not being available commercially.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:18
For me, this whole thing started with buying the re-release of Sleep Dirt because I wanted to finally hear the original album without those horrid vocals. I didn't expect it to sound so good though, being it came from the original analog tapes. I didn't think it would spark my obsession with getting all these reissues. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:20
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Ahh I see. Thanks. It's interesting. I suppose with all things unreleased Zappa there is bound to be some overlap. But still...given the time period it seems a worthy releases for die hards (like us) esp. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:21
I said it was commercially available...unlike 98% of other things they've released.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:31
I've found that, with the exception of the late-90s/early 2000s posthumous albums Joe's Domage/Corsage/XMASage, Mystery Disc, and EIHN, everything that has been released since Zappa's death have been worthy additions to the Frank Zappa canon. Some are so good that if they were released when Zappa was still alive, they'd be hailed as masterpieces (Lather, Wazoo, Imaginary Diseases, Buffalo). I also think albums like One Shot Deal, Hammersmith Odeon, FZ:OZ, and Trance-Fusion are great, and fill in the gaps of Frank's large discography. I haven't heard anything released in 2011 or 2012 yet.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:47
I agree. Wazoo and Imaginary Diseases are probably the best of alll the stuff (that I've heard at least) which definitely should have been released in his lifetime. I also really like FZ:OZ. (Trance-Fusion is ok in my book, but I'm not a huge fans of that type of album). Buffalo & Hammersmith Odeon I"ve yet to get...mostly because they are up on price and I rarely sshop at Barfko Swill. (Though I highly enjoy EIHN but agree that it's no where near essential. I'd throw Lumpy Money in the same ballpark as well.) If you like the synclavier stuff last years "Feeding The Monkies..." is very good IMO. This years Road Tapes Vol 1 also looks good, but I've yet to buy it. All that said, I would like more things like Finer Moments to be released. Supposedly that Road Tapes series is going to be an ongoing thing which also makes me excited. And of course the Roxy stuff but pipe dreams and all that... ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 20 2012 at 02:36
You just have to buy the first installment of Road Tapes! IMO it beats the snot out of the already stellar Ahead of Their Time album. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 21 2012 at 12:14
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I have Road Tapes vol.1, Feeding the Monkeys at Ma Maison, and Finer Moments, all new Zappa albums, on my list, I'm hoping to get them after Christmas. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 21 2012 at 21:40
All good choices. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 13:42
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Here's the next batch: Weasels Ripped My Flesh: Sourced from the original analog tapes, and gets rid of the added reverb. In other words, sounds amazing! The older Ryko versions had a couple extended versions, like on Didja Get Any on Ya? so you will want to hold onto your old copy, but this new version is overall much better. Such clarity in the sound. Zoot Allures: Once again, another album sourced from the original analog tapes, this one is one of the biggest improvements in the entire FZ catalog. The album actually sounds good now. this has never been anywhere near my favorite Zappa album, but the poor sound on the old Ryko editions made it worse. i actually really enjoy this album now. Wind Up Working In a Gas Station rocks hard now, and there's some parts i never heard before that can be clearly heard now. This is an essential buy for all you Zappa fans. Tinseltown Rebellion: Sounds just as good as the 1998 Ryko edition, but reverts back to the original vinyl version, meaning that the cross-fades used on the old CD to get rid of the fade-outs at the end of each original vinyl side are gone. Personally, as someone who was used to the version with the cross-fades, I look at this as an alternate version of the album, and the cross-fades, or lack thereof, changes the flow of the album. Also, the new 2012 version is almost 2 minutes longer than the 1998 version, just so you know. Orchestral Favorites: Reported to be the same as the old versions, and to me, it does sound the same, though the drums sound a little crisper to me, most likely from being mastered in 2012. The Man From Utopia: Same as the older CDs, with the same CD track list, and with the bonus track Luigi & The Wise Guys. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 13:59
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Lather was incredible.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 01 2013 at 17:06
I've always said that Lather is Frank's magnum opus. Now are you referring to the re-issue of Lather? I haven't bought it, but it comes with an all new artwork to represent to original artwork that eventually became the cover art for Joe's Garage. 2012 re-issue:  The original version intended for a 1977 release:  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 01 2013 at 17:28
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I only heard about Finer Moments a few days ago, but I'm eager to get it. Looks like my kind of Zappa album. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 01 2013 at 19:50
I am talking about that one indeed.  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 03 2013 at 10:58
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Amazon says my shipment is out for delivery, so some time today, I'll be getting the next batch of Zappa re-issues, plus Finer Moments !!! I'm very interested in hearing it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 04 2013 at 12:45
| Are These 2012 (UME) remasters better than the original vinyl albums. If so which ones do you consider to be necessary to get? |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 04 2013 at 13:12
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Many (most?) of the remasters contain the same mixes as the original vinyls, but they might be mastered differently (many of them seem to sound "bassier", i.e. the lower frequencies are louder). And depending on where you stand in the LP vs. CD debate, you might consider the sound quality of one format better than the other per se. If you don't care for mastering differences, the only CDs that are essential should be those that have additional music: Absolutely Free, Zappa in New York, The Man from Utopia, Meets the Mothers of Prevention and Guitar (plus Uncle Meat, but most people hate the bonus tracks). The remasters that don't have the original vinyl mix (or an approximation of it, like We're Only in It for the Money) are usually identical to the previous CDs. As far as I'm aware, all of these are inferior to the vinyls. So in other words, the only necessary remasters are the ones with extra content as listed above. The rest is either identical (barring mastering differences) or inferior to the vinyls. Of course, this is just my opinion. There's an excellent website that lists the differences between all versions of all Zappa albums that might help you out: http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/index.html |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 04 2013 at 13:21
| Thanks for the info, course it would be nice to play the new cds in the vehicle as it would be a good trade off with the Mrs.. Lets see first we play a side of Yannis greatest hits and then we get to hear Make a jazz noise here. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 13:10
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Here's yet another batch of re-issues. Freak Out! - Same as older CDs, with reverb and all. MOFO has the original vinyl mix. Lumpy Gravy - Same as older CDs, with the mono glitch during Part One. Cruising With Ruben & The Jets - Same 80s remix as the older CDs. Greasy Love Songs has the original vinyl mix. I never owned this one, actually never really listened to it, but I knew half the songs here from later live albums. I'll admit, the drums and bass being remixed over the original drums and bass wasn't too noticeable until No. No. No. where Arthur Barrow slaps the bass (a technique which didn't exist in 1968). I figured I'd get this before dropping triple the money on GLS, especially since it's an album that is no where near an essential FZ listen. Uncle Meat - Same as older CDs, with added reverb and those terrible penalty tracks. This album needs a vinyl mix on CD; at least FO!, CWR&TJ, and other original Mothers albums have been released with the vinyl mix in some way or another. Just Another Band From L.A. - This was a big upgrade. No more reverb and other atrocities. This album, like the other Flo n Eddie albums "Chunga's Revenge" and "Filmore East", finally sounds really good. If the sound quality turned you off here, or on any of the Flo n Eddie albums, fear no more. This is essential. Now if only 200 Motels would get released as part of this re-issue campaign. Must be a legal thing with MGM... Finer Moments - I thought I'd include this album, as it did get released with the last batch of 2012 re-issues. The album is official release # 94. This is an album that Zappa scrapped back in 1972, and never got released. Well, here it is. This album fits nicely between JABFLA, and Waka/Jawaka, and is the missing link between those two. Sure there's performances from the original Mothers too, but also from the Flo n Eddie lineup, but without their vocals. This mostly instrumental is a real FZ album, with some interesting experiments, and some awesome rock/jazz-fusion jams. This is essential for any FZ fan, especially if you enjoy any of his material from 1968-1972. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 15:29
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OK, let's discuss problems with the 2012 reissues. Now, the good far outweighs the bad, but let's see what bad came out of this: Most of the original Mothers albums didn't have improved sound, probably to keep sales of those box sets coming in. I now have to choose which version of Hot Rats I want to listen to. The same, to a lesser extent, can be said about Apostrophe () with it's different, but very bass-heavy mix; as well as Tinseltown Rebellion where I'm used to the segue edits, and with the reissue they're removed, meaning fade-outs appear where there used to be a segue into the next song. To an even lesser extent, Sheik YerBouti, which I am used to the flow of that one on the older CDs, but the new and improved sound, along with the full I'm So Cute, makes it OK. Joe's Garage, though a very big improvement in sound, contains a slightly different edit of the title track, but this isn't THAT big of a deal. I think that's it. Luckily, nothing but good things for most of the 70s albums. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 05 2013 at 19:30
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I still need to get Hot Rats & Fillmore East (the first two on my list). I agree completely with you on Finer Moments. An excellent release. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 02:59
Let's hope there's an Uncle Meat box set in the works then, right?
What about Weasels Ripped My Flesh? The missing part of "Didja Get Any Onya?" (which includes "Charles Ives" and "Kung Fu") was one of my favorite sections of the album. Luckily there's a recording of "Charles Ives" on YCDTOSA5. Regarding Finer Moments: I haven't taken a serious listen yet, but I doubt I will like it as much as Road Tapes #1. Zappa-commissioned or not, the music-to-noise ratio is pretty low. The instrumental jams (Sleazette, The Old Curiosity Shoppe, Uncle Rhebus, The Subcutaneous Peril) are intriguing at the very least, although the latter two consist of previously released material. As for the other half of the album, it's very hit or miss: The Mozart piano sonata seemed like a waste of space to me on YCDTOSA5, and so it does now. It was probably an extremely funny event to witness live, but it's not so interesting with just the audio. If I want to hear the sonata, I'll buy an actual recording of it. "The Walking Zombie Music", "You Never Know Who Your Friends Are" and "There Is No Heaven from Where Slogans Go to Die" and the already released "Squeeze It, Squeeze It, Squeeze It" seem to be the usual Mothers noise that I already disliked on Weasels Ripped My Flesh. "Enigmas 1 Thru 5" is, well, an endless percussion solo (yawn!). On the upside, "Music from the Big Squeeze" is still funny as ever and "Pumped and Waxed", while not really more than Zappa messing around with a synthesizer, sounds kind of cool. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 06:41
| Dear friends, I was wondering if anyone of you know of plans to remaster and re-release Imaginary Diseases and Buffalo? I can't seem to locate information on either title. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 10:06
Yea, I forgot about Weasels. I only listened to the new one once so far.
I've listened twice, and I found it to be good late at night, as I did last night. The big jams make up for the noise, and I like how there seems to be "studio noises" over some live stuff, making me wonder if Zappa put that there on purpose to mess with anyone listening, especially those using drugs, or if it's the tape being very old. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 10:08
I highly doubt it. The reissue campaign only included the original albums released during FZ's lifetime, along with Lather and The Lost Episodes. Civilization Phaze III and the post-humous albums are not scheduled for re-release, and are still available at zappa.com under the Barfkoswill shop http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/" rel="nofollow - http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 06 2013 at 14:55
| I also wouldn't know what's there to remaster about Imaginary Diseases and Buffalo. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 14:09
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I've bought a buttload of more Zappa albums since my last update on the reissues (Jan. 6). I'm still waiting on two more to come in the mail, and I have to go through the new ones I've got, but an update will be coming some time soon.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 14:26
| There are many people looking for Buffalo and Imaginary Diseases. Wait...that sounded twisted and suggestive in another sense. They should be re-released due to the interest of the Zappa newcomers and hardcore fans who missed out on the first batch. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 14:53
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I just bought Imaginary Diseases recently, having not owned a copy. It's all at the Zappa.com store
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 15:16
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Yeah, I don't think Buffalo ever went out of print, not that I was aware of. It is only available from Barfko though.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 15:33
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You can buy Buffalo here - http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=971_8837&pc=ZPCD79" rel="nofollow - http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=971_8837&pc=ZPCD79
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:52
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Here's the next batch: We're Only In It For The Money - This one has the restored original (and better) artwork with the Sgt. Peppers parody. I read somewhere that some dialogue was cut out of the reissue, but having listened to it myself, it sounds just like the Ryko CD, which is still the slightly censored version, and not the original vinyl mix. The completely uncensored version is on Lumpy Money. I want to mention that it's a little ridiculous these UMe reissues of Freak Out!, WOIIFTM, and Uncle Meat are not the original vinyl mixes like the other reissues. I understand the ZFT wants to continue to selling MOFO and Lumpy Money, but seriously, only completists and Zappa-fanatics are going to get them, and besides, those box sets include other rarities and goodies, so they're still worth getting. Uncle Meat doesn't even have a box set for itself, so why wasn't that one the vinyl mix??? Anyway... Does Humor Belong In Music? - Sounds pretty good to me. However, there is a big screw up with this album. The track-listing on the back is completely wrong, the last 4 tracks are in the wrong order. Unfortunately, the track index for those songs are also wrong, so if you listen on a CD player that shows the song title, it will be wrong. Luckily when I ripped this to iTunes, it showed the correct song titles, so it didn't really affect me personally. Ahead Of Their Time - ***update coming soon*** You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 3 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. With each volume consisting of so much music, it may take time to note any differences between these reissues and older CDs, if there are any. The Lost Episodes - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. I imagine since this and the YCDTOSA albums were created and came out in the late 80s/early 90s, there wouldn't be much need to remaster them, I don't even think they saw a vinyl release, and just came out on CDs originally. *** I'm going to update this post later to include Ahead of Their Time, which I still haven't had a chance to listen to yet. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 23 2013 at 13:11
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Another update: Ahead Of Their Time - Sounds a little better than the old Ryko version, but to be honest, I may have only heard it once before in the past, so I'm not entirely sure. Either way, this album sounds great. Mothermania - This is an essential buy for any Zappa album. It's a compilation album made by Frank himself of some early Mothers songs, but most of them are of different mixes, so everything is different. It's never been available on CD until now, so it's another reason to pick it up. Mystery Disc - Never really listened to this one before, but others have said that it sounds as good as the Ryko version. However, the artwork, in my opinion, is much much better than the ugly cover for the old CD version. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 24 2013 at 13:53
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Thanks for the tip. Barfkoswill had 3 copies left and I ordered 1 just in time. Last week they had 9 copies. Maybe vultures are paying the eco price at Barfkoswill and placing them on Amazon for double...actually more than double because for a sealed copy it runs about $75.00. I like Trans-Fusion, Imaginary Diseases, Buffalo, and Civilization Phase III of his posthumous releases. I like those the best..however I have yet to hear WAZOO which is a concert tour from 72' featuring Jim Gordon on drums. WAZOO receives great reviews and I'm sure it's a worthy Zappa effort. He played some amazing guitar solos studio/live. Other times he sounded like he was sick or had not practiced. It could have been the pull of domestic life or it could have been the time he put into composing that took away from his practice time on guitar. It is next to impossible to say why he sounded a little rough around the edges on certain nights. The way Zappa composed...I honestly can't see anyone having time for the guitar. A another observation is when a musician/composer is composing on guitar...it sometimes has little to do with practicing the instrument itself. I've been listening to him for 42 years , never bought his book, and have remained very curious about him as an artist. I should buy the book...that may be the answer.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 24 2013 at 14:08
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As a self-taught guitarist myself, like Frank, I understand what it's like to be a little rough around the edges. It's just how it is sometimes. What's funny is I don't think Frank practiced the guitar much before rehearsals for the '88 tour, yet the albums that came from that tour feature some of his best solos. The '84 band is the only time I feel like Zappa's solos were lacking (and maybe early-Mothers albums because he was still improving). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 24 2013 at 14:37
That's truly interesting and I agree about the '84 band ...like his playing on Whipping Post. There are magnificent solos on the '88 tour tapes ..very true! I loved his solo on "Thirteen" from Y.C.D.T.O.S.A. VOL.6 . Was that the '88 band? I can't recall? One of my favorite Zappa solos comes from LATHER. How ignorant of me not to remember the title..but it has something to do with the ocean. Wow! that is a very beautiful high energy solo in top form!
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 24 2013 at 20:42
| Ahead of Their Time was a very strange performance/show. I wonder if Zappa influenced The Residents? |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 24 2013 at 21:23
The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution. It's not on Lather, but Sleep Dirt the song has a great guitar solo too. But speaking of Lather, I've always enjoyed the guitar solo in Down In The Dew. He uses that electric-acoustic sound that's on a lot of the 70s albums, particularly famous for being the sound used on his guitar for the solo in Blessed Relief. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 25 2013 at 17:17
What? The Ocean Is the Ultimate Solution is listed on my copy of Lather. It has a cow on the cover. Is that a misprint?
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 25 2013 at 17:44
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^ he meant that "Sleep Dirt" isn't on Lather. I was thrown by his statement at first too. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 25 2013 at 17:53
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Speaking of "Ocean", I really like the midtempo opening section that's on Sleep Dirt but was omitted from the Lather version. The long fast section is the clear "meat" of the piece, but to me the song doesn't feel right without that first section.
There's one archival release that I'd forgotten about until now - I think it's called FZ Plays FZ and I think DZ compiled it from several versions of Zoot Allures, including the legendary '76 live version from which "Ship Ahoy" was taken. What do you all think of that album? Is it even still available? I only have a CDR copy. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 25 2013 at 19:41
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Sorry to confuse.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 26 2013 at 04:03
It's a bit of a pointless album, but I can hardly fault it when the liver performances are that good. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 26 2013 at 04:47
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 26 2013 at 09:00
 ...That must be the strangest typo I have made in quite a while.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 26 2013 at 09:25
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Well, he does play with a lot of bile.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 26 2013 at 20:19
| Imaginary Diseases was my introduction to Jim Gordon playing in a more serious vain. Most in demand studio drummer of the 60's and 70's recording with the Monkees , Clapton, George Harrison (All Things Must Pass) and really an extremely long list of sessions. Strange to think that you couldn't have the radio on for more than 15 minutes without hearing his drumming. Wazoo is on the way and I'm excited to hear it. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 08:30
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Have you seen many German movies? Do you like to go to the movies? LET ME SEE YOUR PAPERS!  Why do you have to yell so much?  I DON'T YELL! Were just trying to get into the country.  THIS IS MY COUNTRY! NOT YOUR COUNTRY! I'VE BEEN STANDING HERE DOING THIS FOR MANY YEARS AND YOU'RE MAKING ME VERY ANGRY! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 28 2013 at 14:43
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I got Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar the other day, must have been 6-7 years since I've last heard it. New remaster sounds good, I think I prefer listening to it in it's individual albums, even though the second one is partially on both discs. I also got The Yellow Shark in the mail today. Haven't listened to it yet, but the packaging is really nice, and comes with a 53 page booklet filled with info, stories, and pictures. Never owned the older CD versions, so I don't know this is the same as those (with the book and all). My shelf filled with the FZ 2012 reissues is starting to look really good with all the numbered spines. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 28 2013 at 18:26
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 28 2013 at 23:29
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I'll be giving it a listen tonight.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 13:50
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Waiting on the last couple of 2012 reissues to come in the mail, and I'll make another update, maybe with pictures this time
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 19:55
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Went to the record store today. Didn't buy any Zappa. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 10:17
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The 2012 Lather came in the mail today, I believe that completes all the reissues for me.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 12:25
| I stopped into "Best Buy" because week to week they had been quickly selling out on the Zappa reissues. Single discs were $10.99 and doubles $18.99. A floor person confronted me as I stared at only 3 Zappa cd's on the rack instead of last week's amount which was close to 50. He asked if I was a Zappa fan. He stated that he was a Zappa fan since 1967. I asked why there were only 3 cd's left. I asked him.."Did you sell out?" He said.."No, we sent them back to Gale." Then I began to think about hearing "Don't Eat The Yellow Snow" on the radio every Christmas for the last 3 decades and spoke accordingly..."How is it that people in general are not aware of Frank Zappa?" He said.."Do you really think that anyone in this building knows who Frank Zappa is other than you and me?" Then I felt like a beachball sweating inside a furnace and palms sweating with renounced vigour. He said.."Wake up buddy..we are old now wtf? ..and I know you are, but what am I?..whatever? So I asked him.."You won't be getting shipments of Zappa cd's ever again?" He said..."No, no one cares about Zappa and not 1 of our customer's are aware of him." Very strange..for I thought he did surface enough through the media to at least be known historically in the "Rock" music world internationally. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 12:30
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ONLY IN AMERICA
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 12:45
| What about the Lumpy Money project Boxset. Will it be reissued? |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 13:24
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Lumpy Money is available directly from Barfko Swill http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=971_15819" rel="nofollow - http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=971_15819 ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 13:29
Thanks, man.  Not very cheap, but much more that all i've already seen on the net.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 14:30
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I'm hoping they bring Buffalo back to the Barfko Swill store, it's been out of stock recently and I want to get it.
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 14:50
| Gosh; I've just listenned to the Lumpy Gravy version of the Lumpy Money Boxset. Wow ! Varese meets Mingus meets Groucho Marx. Such a shock ! Probably one of the Cd of my life ! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 15:01
Ditto. I didn't expect them to become unavailable...esp so quickly. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: pirongs
Date Posted: January 27 2014 at 11:56
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Hi do the tracks on Lather 2012 reissue sound the same as the tracks on the 2012 remasterings of sleep dirt orchestral favs live in n y and (whats the other one called?) - i'm not referring to the different mixes; just the mastering. cheers
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 30 2014 at 17:41
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I believe they were all mastered the same, and given new timings, but I'm not 100% certain.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 05:43
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