TOOL.......prog?
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Topic: TOOL.......prog?
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Subject: TOOL.......prog?
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 15:06
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I am a huge fan of this band and see them praised and denounced in pretty much equal measure on this site.But I see some people don't consider them prog or prog metal and that astounds me because their last 2 albums are most definitely prog metal.What does everyone else think? And I think they are prog and one of the best bands out there right now.Catch them live if you like them and haven't seen them yet,their performance live is perfection...flawless. -------------  |
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 15:16
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Of course they are prog! VERY few bands these days are doing as much to push music forward as Tool. Theirs is the most complex, layered, mathematical, beautiful rock music made (IMO of course). Every note of the music is meaningful and in the perfect place. I could go on for hours about the Lateralus album alone. I can't wait for the new album and hopefully the subsequent tour. There are rumors of a live DVD coming out in August, but nothing has been confirmed as far as i know. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 15:18
| Certainly prog. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 15:20
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Yes, but I don't like them that much. A boring band for me. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 15:55
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I like them ... but I don't have any of their albums, and I never get around to buy one. I'll set up a ebay search for aenima and lateralus. BTW: Do they still tour? As far as I know, they've ben put "on hold" because APC takes precedence. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 15:58
It's my theory that this is common for all truly great bands (or indeed artists in general). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 17:15
Yes,they are still touring.Their new album Teleincision should be out this year and the band Isis ------------- |
is already rumored to be the opening act.And while Maynard James Keenan has stressed emphatically that APC is NOT a side project he has also stated that is his main band and takes precedence over everything.Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 17:17
^ I meant to put TOOL there.And Mike,if you only buy ONE Tool cd buy Lateralus. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 18:01
^ I meant to put TOOL there.And Mike,if you only buy ONE Tool cd buy Lateralus. [/QUOTE] Thanks, I'll see what Ebay has to offer ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: July 22 2005 at 20:47
| If it weren't for Tool, it's entirely possible that I wouldn't be here right now. Most of the people who don't consider them prog are rabid prog-metal haters from what I've observed. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 00:01
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except me, useful! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 11:58
Well, they don't really consider them a Progressive Metal band.... THey've even said it, so guessing that's what you've heard, Greenback. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 12:36
| Prog indeed. If one doesn't think so, then play them Third Eye and look them square in the face and ask...Is this prog? |
Posted By: Third Eye
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 16:10
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I think yes. But it's not important really. First of all they are marvellous band. My favourite is probably Aenima, but it's a tough decision. I usually don't care for genres but please don't call them prog-metal. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 17:35
I don't really care what they are defined as either.I just see so many confilicting opinions of the band on this forum that I was just curious as to what other people think. And if I want to call them progressive metal I will damn well call them that.Do me a favor and don't dictate to me and tell me what to say and not to say.I agree with you that they have nothing in common with DT,Symphony X and the like,they are a very different breed of band,with a very unique sound.But their music is very very progressive. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 17:49
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It's the only label that fits. I think the problem is that most people use the genre to narrowly. Fans of Yes and Genesis often think that something which is labeled prog is supposed to be similar to Yes or Genesis. It's the same with DT, PoS, SyX and Prog Metal. There is so much more to the genre than just these three bands ...
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 19:39
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i say no- they are metal- or hard rock |
Posted By: Parker
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 00:18
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2 words... not prog... shouldn't be ------------- Former Username -The Prog Man "The Carpet Crawlers heed their callers: You've got to get in to get out" |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 08:00
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Not prog
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:12
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The problem is that their sound is soooooo unique that you cant categorize them. If I had to I would say they are prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:29
of course its prog (Jody have You stared having doubts after all that bashing? )... its the 1st prog metal band I loved... and I actually didn't know it was prog back then in 2002 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:33
| Tool Tahhhh-Durghhhh! |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:41
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erm.... Javohl mein commander! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:58
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They're prog, dammit!
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 17:04
| No- Modern Rock |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:01
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Haven't listen it too well to say if it is or isn't
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:07
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I never have those doubts.I just wanted to see what every one else thought. ------------- |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:11
Prog. Bou still boring to me ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Andrew Vernon
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:27
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The word Progressive would indicate something that pushes a thing
forward, so whether Tool or their fans like it or not, I'm gonna call
them prog - simply because they DO push things forward. Now I don't know where you get boring from, you can say they are not your cup of tea, but boring crosses a line for me. Just so you know, Teleincision is a rumour started by a fan. No one knows anything about the new album yet apart from that it's been finished recording. I would estimate a February or March release. They have two DVD releases of Parabola and Schism coming out in December. Amazon.com has them for $6.99 - roughly £5.00 a piece. I will definitely be getting them, they're rumoured to have remixes of the songs on them and I would love to have the videos in hi quality, not the really sh*tty quality I have them in now from the internet. My favourite band. I started to learn guitar two years ago because of their powerful music. I really don't understand the boring comment, I'm too much of a Tool-junkie to even contemplate understanding it.  ------------- over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. reaching out to embrace whatever may come. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:31
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I dont know enough Tool to coment but Andrew Vernon, $7:00 is more like £3-4 than 5 And Mike, I agree with your theory about some bands on this site. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: foxman
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:44
thats 4 words BTW. I just got my first Tool disk yesterday...Lateralus. I don't think I am qualified to votee, but if pressed I would say Prog Metal. ------------- "To seek the sacred river Alph, To walk the caves of ice, To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise..." |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:48
I would challenge anyone who calls Tool boring,to see them live.I saw them whilst touring the Lateralis album and they were the most awe inspiring band I've ever seen and heard.I think the live versions of the Lateralis album were even better.Definately a prog band.Danny Carey has to be considered one of the best drummers around. 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:52
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I have seen them once on the Undertow tour,twice on the Aenima tour,and twice on the Lateralus tour.Every single time I have seen them they were perfect.I mean FLAWLESS.The best live band I have ever seen,bar none.Every aspect of them live was perfection,performance,the mix and sound,the show..everything. And I am a huge Danny Carey freak.
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:55
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DEFINITELY PROG They even have parts where you can hear some RUSH influences... search it... Lateralus is one of the most complete records I have ever heard NEW PROG of course, but still PROG |
Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 19:46
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Definitely prog. I'll go against the general consensus here a bit though, and say that I think Ænima is a better album than Lateralus.  ------------- With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 19:49
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I love Aenima but it has some filler that I don't care for,namely Ions and Message to Harry Manback. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 20:00
I would say Tool could be prog if they wanted to go that way but I wouldn`t consider them as prog so far . All great prog bands need a wicked keyboard player I think thats where Tool fall short. so I would call Tool Alternative Metal and I`d put them in the same genre as say porcupine tree and the mars volta 
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Posted By: Mad Bass Player
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 20:25
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Of course Tool is prog!
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Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 20:43
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I believe they are without any question... ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 22:34
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Yes!!! - Lateralus is their most prog effort yet. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 23:20
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Of course... The best prog, if I might add...
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 30 2005 at 23:21
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Having keyboards in your music doesn't necessarily make you prog. And not having keys in your music doesn't mean you aren't prog. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 17:14
| Of course they're prog. For a start, you can hear the progression in their own work, from Opiate to Lateralus. Also, they're progressing the style of music they're playing in, doing their own thing, etc. ANd they rule supremely. |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 10:16
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They Certainly are...!!!!! |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 15:03
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Yea, yea and thrice yea!
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 20:34
WHAT? WHEN IS THE ALBUM COMING OUT? I LOVE AENIMA AND LATERALUS, rest of their albums are interesting but not at this level. definitely PROG, no doubt about this |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 20:36
agree |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 21:29
Yeh I agree as well.Thats just dumb & narrowminded to state that as a requirement of prog. |